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Tueller drill in your face...

Discussion in 'Strategies, Tactics, and Training' started by Al Thompson, Nov 20, 2011.

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  1. Al Thompson

    Al Thompson Moderator Emeritus

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    Good video! It shows just how quickly a determined attacker can suddenly close distance.
     
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    Thank God the officer wasn't more seriously injured, and good job to the rookie who helped take down the suspect.

    If I had no idea that someone was going to attack me like that, I imagine I'd get stabbed, too. My martial arts instructors have always warned us that if we have to take down someone armed with a knife, we're probably going to get cut. The goal is to not get maimed or killed. I'd be happy to sacrifice a gash to the outside of my arm to buy me time to employ my own weapon.

    Overall, this video reminds me that I need more training!
     
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    That is an excellent example of how fast someone can cover the intervening space...even having a poor start by stumbling out of his car. He recovered his footing quickly and attacked from a very balanced stance. Those didn't look like wild slashes to me, but more like practiced thrust...note also the parring hand

    The passenger officer did well to get 7 out of 10 shots on a target moving that quickly. That is why I always taught my trainees to draw as they were getting out of the car at the end of a pursuit, you don't want to wait to see what happens...you can always reholster
     
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    Probably fortunately for all concerned, the trainee officer just happened to be a 6-year SF vet with multiple tours downrange.

    He was probably looking forward to a peaceful policing career in a sleepy midwestern town where no crazy people would be trying to kill him. :uhoh:
     
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    A healthy human being can out run a drag racer for the first five yards.
     
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    In watching the video several times and listening to various sounds, the officers started issuing commands after exiting the vehicle and before Spencer exited his, during which time they should have been drawing or would have completed their draws as standard practice after a felony chase.

    In other words and in comparison to the Tueller Drill, the officers were ahead of the curve in already having out their weapons compared to how the Tueller Drill is conducted and still the stumbling Spencer's course changing charge did not elicit and shots until it was too late.

    One of the shortfalls of the Tueller Drill is that it allows for the attackee to have already made the decision to draw and fire their gun once the drill starts. In short, two of the first three steps of the OODA loop are already completed. This isn't always a reality. In this case, Spencer leaps from his vehicle and I would be willing to bet that officers lost upwards of a second in trying to assess whether Spencer was attempting to flee or attempting to attack and trying to ascertain what was in Spencer's hand and then had to decide what to do as Spencer rapidly closed ground. In most cases, officers are not likely to use lethal force to stop a suspect fleeing on foot unless that suspect has already attempted to kill officers or others. So once Spencer lept from his car, the officer's OODA sequence restarted and they had to figure out what Spencer was doing before deciding what to do and critical time was lost.

    Sometimes the slowest part of a person's response isn't physical, but mental.
     
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