Uberti 58 Remmy problem.
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About the only benefit is dry firing with out mushrooming the nipples.
I don't think the hammer metal is really that hard EXCEPT for the case hardened skin that is only a few thousandths deep but still real hard. Once you cut through the surface the hammer is not all that hard so I believe the hammer face could be dimpled from the nipples because one of mine had a bit of bulge on the hammer face from off center dimpling which was striking the edge of the frame so I put it on the anvil of my vise and gently tapped it back into the rectangle shape it once was.
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The surface harding isn't very deep on them. I have one old Navy that has a pretty good dimple from near fifty years of hitting the caps and nipples.
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Mr. MyKeal is a pretty smart man.
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Well anyway, If God be willing I'm not going off out here somewhere and meet up with a couple or three or four starving assed wolves or some big fat bearded man that want's to knock me down and stomp me to death and throw my remains off of some damn cliff where I may not be found for 300 years just because he want's my rifle or like's my revolver, carrying a weapon that I can't depend on. It just ain't gonna happen. And don't try and tell me that you don't run into situations like that back in here because I know better. That's why I carry blackpowder firearms. I know the condition of my powder, my balls, my sabots, my caps, my 409's, and my firearms. When I load my piece, I KNOW it's going to fire correctly and
accurately.
Well sir, good luck in your endeavors. I wish you the best. I really do. I can still remember years ago when I was wanting to move over to blackpowder firearms. I finally found Cabela's and a couple of their product specialists who was willing to take up a little time with me. That was years before I owned a computer or even knew how to turn one on. These people will walk you through it. There are years and years of good solid knowledge on this site....
accurately.
Well sir, good luck in your endeavors. I wish you the best. I really do. I can still remember years ago when I was wanting to move over to blackpowder firearms. I finally found Cabela's and a couple of their product specialists who was willing to take up a little time with me. That was years before I owned a computer or even knew how to turn one on. These people will walk you through it. There are years and years of good solid knowledge on this site....
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Modified nipples for 6 Pietta 1858 cylinders using 0.002 and 0.003 metal shim stock to check (0.002 moves freely and 0.003 is grabbed between hammer and nipple). The 6 cylinders are interchangeable in 3 different guns. I have the advantage of a lathe to modify the nipples, but it could be done in a drill press with a steady hand and a file. Without shim stock you could use paper – a single piece of notebook paper is around 0.003” thick. The hammer should just start to grab the paper when placed between the hammer and nipple. Dropping the hammer on a nipple covered with paper should dent but not cut through the paper.
Believe it is recommended in an old Dixie catalog in the ‘reference section’ that the hammer should never touch the nipple. That is the case with an original 1858 that I own.
Believe it is recommended in an old Dixie catalog in the ‘reference section’ that the hammer should never touch the nipple. That is the case with an original 1858 that I own.
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Hey ya'll..Whatever happened to the '58 that was going to be made in America and sell for about $1500.00? I wouldn't trade one of my 58's for a dozen of them but I just happened to remember that I haven't heard anything about them in quite some time....Stan....
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Aren't those old Dixie catalogs great. I have two old ones and they have some really good information for all forms of BP shooting. Excellent reference charts, plus all the detail info on loads to barrel twists on every gun they stock. Better collection of information than some of the thirty dollar books I have bought.
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I know someone from my club that works there and several months ago he said that they were so busy with other products that they hadn't started building any of them yet.
Unless they've showed up on the website since then.
I'll have to ask about them again the next time I see him.
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Thank you much, Arcticap..Stan..
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GoC check your PM box.. I think you missed seeing a message is there.
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Gonna check right now Big M....
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Macmac..I'm not 'crusty'. At least I don't mean to come off that way.
I don't know exactly, Big M. I had a single shot Marlin .22 bolt action when I was 10 years old. (pulled a knob out behind the bolt to cock it) I helped to feed my family with it in those North Alabama hills where I was borned and raised. Lot's of times it would mis-fire and we would go to bed that night with our stomach's a little less than full.
At 17 years old at USMCRD Parris Island My 7.62 M-14 mis-fired the very last round and that stopped me from shooting a perfect 250. All three of my Drill Instructors raised pure holy hell but they wouldn't give me the last shot over again. I cried like a little boy. (Hell, I was a little boy. That Goddamned M-14 was damn near as big as me) I felt so Goddamed betrayed. I hope that frigging range commander died a horrible lingering death with lot
's of pain and suffering.
I found my way to Vietnam like everybody else did back then and they issued me the M-16 A-1 and that piece of **** jammed coming and going. I never pulled so many 'immediate actions' in my life. I found my best friend dead and shot all to pieces on Hill 881 North with his M-16 torn down beside of him where he was trying to un -jam it when he was shot. War is war, but he was shot a lot more times than he needed to be.
I don't need to hose lead any more Macmac. When I load my blackpowder firearms I KNOW they will work first time and every time. Just a few shots now and then is all I ever make anymore. I have practiced with them so much (thousands and thousands of hours I guess) I can use them real good and I know they will work. (I'm fast to. Never tried to be. The speed just came with time I guess. Even so, I'm not as fast as I was maybe 15 years ago. I can tell, but so far I am still accurate.) I still love my Walker best of all, but I know for a fact that I own 5 of the absolute finest 58's and 3 of the finest Carbines that it is possible to find on the face of this earth period. No engraving or anything on them. I'm not a fancy person. The serial numbers are recorded and they will pass on to the National Rifle Association when my time on earth is through.
Besides, Macmac, it give's me a sense of satisfaction to sort of build my own round like a person does with blackpowder firearms. I mean, I have some chicken and bologna and a little bacon and stuff in my refrigerator like everybody else but sometimes I still like to go hunting. It make's me feel good and give's me satisfaction to build the round that I got my meat with.
Nobody bothers me out here. Hell, everybody out here in this part of the country know's each other and we are all friends. We all own several firearms and we would pretty well stomp our own snakes if it ever came to that. We help each other out. Some of that other way of living and thinking might work for those 'genteel' folks in New York City or out there in San Franscisco, but their **** won't fly out here on the high plains of Wyoming.
Thank you for calling attention to the message I had Macmac. I never noticed. I'm usually in a hurry. I'm way out here in the middle of nothing so to speak. The power company wanted $27,000.00 (all up front) to run power out here to me. I told them to kiss my ass. I bought a nice wind turbine and mounted it but the wind blow's too hard up here. I have three generators and they work good (just use one at a time of course) but they use a lot of gasoline. In about 2 more months I have another generator coming in. It's a real small one and dosen't use hardly any gasoline at all to speak of but will run all of my stuff well withing the 'half power' mode. Most of my stuff run's on propane. When the new generator get's here I will be able to stay on line as long as I like. I'll probably spend at least 9 to 12 hours online each day. Hell, I'm retired and don't have anything else to do except maybe go into town now and then and shop a little and sit around and drink coffee and bull**** with a few of my friends. Yes!! I may sound 'crusty' but I do have a few friends!!
Talk with you later Macmac....Stan....
I don't know exactly, Big M. I had a single shot Marlin .22 bolt action when I was 10 years old. (pulled a knob out behind the bolt to cock it) I helped to feed my family with it in those North Alabama hills where I was borned and raised. Lot's of times it would mis-fire and we would go to bed that night with our stomach's a little less than full.
At 17 years old at USMCRD Parris Island My 7.62 M-14 mis-fired the very last round and that stopped me from shooting a perfect 250. All three of my Drill Instructors raised pure holy hell but they wouldn't give me the last shot over again. I cried like a little boy. (Hell, I was a little boy. That Goddamned M-14 was damn near as big as me) I felt so Goddamed betrayed. I hope that frigging range commander died a horrible lingering death with lot
's of pain and suffering.
I found my way to Vietnam like everybody else did back then and they issued me the M-16 A-1 and that piece of **** jammed coming and going. I never pulled so many 'immediate actions' in my life. I found my best friend dead and shot all to pieces on Hill 881 North with his M-16 torn down beside of him where he was trying to un -jam it when he was shot. War is war, but he was shot a lot more times than he needed to be.
I don't need to hose lead any more Macmac. When I load my blackpowder firearms I KNOW they will work first time and every time. Just a few shots now and then is all I ever make anymore. I have practiced with them so much (thousands and thousands of hours I guess) I can use them real good and I know they will work. (I'm fast to. Never tried to be. The speed just came with time I guess. Even so, I'm not as fast as I was maybe 15 years ago. I can tell, but so far I am still accurate.) I still love my Walker best of all, but I know for a fact that I own 5 of the absolute finest 58's and 3 of the finest Carbines that it is possible to find on the face of this earth period. No engraving or anything on them. I'm not a fancy person. The serial numbers are recorded and they will pass on to the National Rifle Association when my time on earth is through.
Besides, Macmac, it give's me a sense of satisfaction to sort of build my own round like a person does with blackpowder firearms. I mean, I have some chicken and bologna and a little bacon and stuff in my refrigerator like everybody else but sometimes I still like to go hunting. It make's me feel good and give's me satisfaction to build the round that I got my meat with.
Nobody bothers me out here. Hell, everybody out here in this part of the country know's each other and we are all friends. We all own several firearms and we would pretty well stomp our own snakes if it ever came to that. We help each other out. Some of that other way of living and thinking might work for those 'genteel' folks in New York City or out there in San Franscisco, but their **** won't fly out here on the high plains of Wyoming.
Thank you for calling attention to the message I had Macmac. I never noticed. I'm usually in a hurry. I'm way out here in the middle of nothing so to speak. The power company wanted $27,000.00 (all up front) to run power out here to me. I told them to kiss my ass. I bought a nice wind turbine and mounted it but the wind blow's too hard up here. I have three generators and they work good (just use one at a time of course) but they use a lot of gasoline. In about 2 more months I have another generator coming in. It's a real small one and dosen't use hardly any gasoline at all to speak of but will run all of my stuff well withing the 'half power' mode. Most of my stuff run's on propane. When the new generator get's here I will be able to stay on line as long as I like. I'll probably spend at least 9 to 12 hours online each day. Hell, I'm retired and don't have anything else to do except maybe go into town now and then and shop a little and sit around and drink coffee and bull**** with a few of my friends. Yes!! I may sound 'crusty' but I do have a few friends!!
Talk with you later Macmac....Stan....
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its good to hear from you GOC ya your still an old coot. But a respected one. Look forward to reading the stuff you write all the time.
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Jon, this much I can tell you for sure. The Pietta cylinder from a '58 revolver will fit in the Uberti Carbine but it leaves too much space between the face of the cylinder and the forcing cone to be comfortable with. The Uberti cylinder from the carbine will NOT fit properly into the Pietta '58 revolver. Seem's to be just a ****hair too long. At least I have found this to be the case with mine....Stan....
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Hi Scrat!.. Good to hear from you buddy! I mean it to. Hope you're doing well. I guess you are. You can still count. You told the man he was number 52. I'll be on line a lot in a couple of months. It was hard getting back up here and getting set up for the winter and all..;Talk to you later Scrat....Stan....
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Old Coots, mud Marines,& Soldiers and the like don't get "crusty" and stay that way...they jus' clean up regroup and drive on.
We may be what you call "Salty" or well seasoned ... but the World stays "crusty" we don't.
The Dimensions for the Cylinder OAL's are as follows as near as I can tell.
Pietta 2.016"
Armi San Paolo,/Euroarms 2.006"
Uberti 1.999"-2.000"
I can get you dim's for ASM & E.N. Santa Barbara, don't have them in front of me. Uberti fits ASP/Euroarms, they fit the E.N. Santa Barbara.
Gentleman of the Charcoal, I don't see "crusty" I do see practiced and well versed.
I was indoctrinated to Uncle Sam's beloved Leg Infantry in the beautiful Swamps jus' South of Paris Island, Fort Jackson S.C.
I am sure glad the Imroved M-16's what ever model they are up to by now works better than the jungle weed catchin' 3 pronged, non chromed chambers, piston ring rustin', carbon clogged gas tube with no forward assist piece of **** Mattel Toys that were deployed after the M14... even now the M14 is in service in Afganistan and rackin' up a tally.
If one can improve on their BP and use them proficiently, there's nothin' better than knowing your weapon will not fail you. I still have a slew a Remington along with even more colts and ect, But I know which ones won't fail me.
By the way I have no Black Plastic Guns anymore, but I do have a Pair of Russian Kalashnikovs.
We may be what you call "Salty" or well seasoned ... but the World stays "crusty" we don't.
The Dimensions for the Cylinder OAL's are as follows as near as I can tell.
Pietta 2.016"
Armi San Paolo,/Euroarms 2.006"
Uberti 1.999"-2.000"
I can get you dim's for ASM & E.N. Santa Barbara, don't have them in front of me. Uberti fits ASP/Euroarms, they fit the E.N. Santa Barbara.
Gentleman of the Charcoal, I don't see "crusty" I do see practiced and well versed.
I was indoctrinated to Uncle Sam's beloved Leg Infantry in the beautiful Swamps jus' South of Paris Island, Fort Jackson S.C.
I am sure glad the Imroved M-16's what ever model they are up to by now works better than the jungle weed catchin' 3 pronged, non chromed chambers, piston ring rustin', carbon clogged gas tube with no forward assist piece of **** Mattel Toys that were deployed after the M14... even now the M14 is in service in Afganistan and rackin' up a tally.
If one can improve on their BP and use them proficiently, there's nothin' better than knowing your weapon will not fail you. I still have a slew a Remington along with even more colts and ect, But I know which ones won't fail me.
By the way I have no Black Plastic Guns anymore, but I do have a Pair of Russian Kalashnikovs.
Jon in WV,
NO. The Pietta is a little too long. A Euroarms cylinder might fit. I have a perfectly functioning Euroarms with a Uberti cylinder in it. The gap is about .009" which is a little wider than I'd like but works. So the Euroarms cylinder might be a little snug but it is easier to take a little off the rear of the barrel and down below than off the cylinder unless you have a lathe.
NO. The Pietta is a little too long. A Euroarms cylinder might fit. I have a perfectly functioning Euroarms with a Uberti cylinder in it. The gap is about .009" which is a little wider than I'd like but works. So the Euroarms cylinder might be a little snug but it is easier to take a little off the rear of the barrel and down below than off the cylinder unless you have a lathe.
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