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FROGO207: I am sure that it took a lot of courage to hit submit reply on that first post--for that I commend you.
Definitely. Not only that, but it took a lot to start this page as well. For the most part, I have gotten nothing but support in my search for facts and knowledge, and for that I am grateful.

justice06rr: Something to think about regarding the subject: do you rather have a gun or a bat to defend yourself and your family if that burglar breaks into your house at night?
We actually do have a baseball bat sitting next to our front door. Chances are, we would hear someone coming before they even got to the door because our front door is on the second floor, but we have it there just in case.
I guess my question is this: what are the chances of a couple working out if some or many of their political beliefs are different, and how will this affect our kids if/when we decide to have them?

The chances of a couple working out differing political views are very good IMO. My wife and I have been married for nearly 11 years now, and our political and religious views neither one line up perfectly.
I am very fiscally conservative and very socially liberal, while she leans towards being conservative in all aspects. Religion is another thing that divides many relationships. I won't get into our views, as this is not a religion based forum, I only brought it up to point out that we differ in those ways as well, and have a wonderful relationship. The key for this is to respect each others opinion instead of getting up on a high horse and thinking you're superior to the other. It sounds like you've got this down, and while he may need a little work on it, I don't think it's time to give up.

As far as children, we have that issue as well and I'll tell you how I handle it. Whether or not it makes sense to you, well, we'll see. :)
My daughter will be 10 next month and she's asking all sorts of questions. My goal is not to teach her what to think. My goal is to teach her HOW to think. If you do that, I believe they will be much better off. Let them make up their own minds, and support them whatever they decide. I think it's rather egotistical and shallow to try and force your views onto your children.
I highly doubt that open minded people like yourself (OP) are ruining this country. Do please continue your research and keep us informed of how your opinions evolve. It seems to me that people who take the time to do their research generally come to the correct conclusions.

If there is anything we at TheHighRoad can do to help answer your questions we are more than happy!
I have been married to a non-gun person for 50 years come November. She and my in-laws are from the Northeast, mainly New Jersey. Her entire family freaks out when they see a gun. I showed my new deer rifle to my brother-in-law who lives in GA. The others sitting around saw it and started screaming. "He's got a GUN!" "Who yuz gonna shoot wit' dat t'ing?" My answer was "Bambi" Nobody laughed. My in-laws are convinced little sister is married to the mob. :D She doesn't do guns, I don't wear makeup. We have managed to stay married for 49 years so far.
If that's your only difference, you should have a great marriage.
Thanks for such a quick reply. I actually did spend some time this morning reading the second amendment, including different websites and wordings, as well as court cases and I am still not sure where I stand. My fiancee did not accept the fact that I am unsure, and kept trying to guide me into thinking the same way he did.
Simple question:

Do you believe you have a god given right to defend yourself, your family?

Or do you believe you should depend on someone else to protect you and yours?

THAT is the message of the 2nd amendment. An armed person is a citizen, an unarmed one is a subject.
I've been married 30+ years to a gal who understands firearms (she grew up with a father who was an avid hunter) and supports my firearm ownership and activities with firearms. She loves shooting skeet but will never go hunting with me. She loves shooting my .22LR pistol, but does not want to get her carry permit. She never hassles me about buying a new gun or ammo or anything that supports my firearms related hobbies.

When we married, she understood the Constitution and the meanings of and reasons for the Bill of Rights, and she supported the Constitution and BoR. She was just more interested in and concerned with raising a family and providing a good home.

One thing I NEVER did was to try to "convince" her of anything gun related or browbeat her into participating with me. She always knew that if she wanted to go shooting, she was more than welcome to go with me.

She and I raised some very good kids. Both know how and love to shoot. One owns a pistol, rifle and shotgun, loves to shoot (but not hunt) and has a Carry Permit. The other loves to shoot (and shoots VERY well), does not own any guns but often asks to go with me to the range or clays field.

As a bona fide OLD GUY, I recommend that you possibly re-think the idea of staying with someone who does not respect your opinions and who does not give you the space and time you may need to put your head around the idea of gun ownership and the 2nd Amendment to come to your own conclusions. There are plenty of gun-guys out there who would love to present all sides of the discussion, engage you in true conversation, and not try to run rampant over you.

Good luck!
My suggestion is to read the Declartion of Independance first then the Second Amendment. Once you understand ones civic duty you will understand the Second much better.
Absolutely the best advice for ANYBODY!! Well done, Queen of Thunder! (Now, why didn't *I* think of that?........Senior Moment!!)
I recently got back into firearms after over 30 years of not owing them, because of an attempted home invasion, involving 4 people; one at the door, and 3 waiting in the van outside, that my wife thwarted with some very quick thinking. She slammed the door instantly.

She wasn't too keen about me becoming armed again, but we discussed this for hours, and now she wants a revolver when I'm away, for her own protection. She cannot handle a semi-auto.

Our discussion turned heated several times, we really fought this one out, as she had a bad experience with an ex. We have been together 12 years, and it nearly separated us, so don't think an issue like this may not have some permanently damaging consequences.

I now have a CHCL, and a longarm, capable of defending myself, my loved ones, and my property. It is a God given right, upheld by the second amendment, and nobody is going to take that right away from me. Nobody.

The fact that this issue nearly caused a divorce, and now my wife feels unsafe at home without me, and is going to get a revolver/training with my help, should tell you things worked out for the better. I still sense her fear and reservation, but hope her going through the training process will push the incident with her ex further into oblivion. She loves to shoot my pellet rifles, but her first indoor range trip with me was a bad experience for her, because some police and myself were target practicing with some large caliber sidearms. The noise and concussions (even though her hearing was protected) was too much. She did become accustomed to it, and shot some sidearms herself, to pick-out the one she wanted.

You're young, and very wise to discuss this with him. You sound like a very smart, independent thinker, and I'm sure you'll come away better informed about not only why we own firearms, but why we are so adamantly involved about the politics surrounding them.

Good luck!
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Declaration of Independence

IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
First I'd like to re-highlight Leprechaun's suggestion to visit www.corneredcat.com . I've gone through this entire thread and it's been a good one; but was surprised it took so long to see Kathy's site brought up.

I don't do much posting but follow several interesting threads on this and other forums, have picked up a lot of information helpful in my NRA/4H/Hunter's Ed courses. You seem like exactly the type of (younger) person I love going to the range with. My youngest (of 5) is 22 tomorrow, and most of the 5 have or have had friends with an outlook similar to yours. When the subject comes up, either the kids or I have asked if they'd like to try it and if so, it's .22 time!! That's included college exchange students from Germany and Spain, and last summer three businessmen from Germany and one full day with eight nuns replete with full habits. The guys went all the way through the 44 magnum and 45ACP, the nuns enjoyed taking turns with several .22 rifles and handguns; to each their own.

I suggest finding a qualified uninterested party, male or female, limiting yourselves to 50 rounds or so of ammo, and getting acquainted with a .22 rifle and/or handgun at a range someplace .... doesn't have to be a secret, but it'd be something to surprise the fiance with, especially if you found out that you had fun doing so. I'm sure there are a lot of members here besides me that would volunteer to be the one if we were close enough.

Kudos on opening this thread!!
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First I'd like to re-highlight Leprechaun's suggestion to visit www.corneredcat.com . I've gone through this entire thread and it's been a good one; but was surprised it took so long to see Kathy's site brought up.
I have actually taken a look at that website, and I like what it has to say. I bookmarked it so I can go back and read it in more depth later. I especially like the sections relating to children, because that will be something I need to think about in the future.

Once again, I appreciate all of your helpful and constructive comments. All those who have posted in this thread have opened my eyes to the complexities of 2A that I had never thought about before, and made the topic much more relatable. :)
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