Unwilling to pull the trigger.

[Officers'Wife]

Hi Bazooka,

I don't know, this kind of has a fasination to it. Kind of like an old sow's first experience with an electric fence. She knows it's going to hurt and you know it's going to hurt her but you have to watch cause you can't believe she would be dumb enough to try and bite the fence over and over.

Selena

 

[Bazooka Joe71]

You're right, Bazooka...I must be bored.

You and me both...I'm still reading it, aren't I?

LOL

 

[Lewis68]

Again...too easy. They are both to blame for thier criminal act

Aren't they both victims also?

FYI, Victim: "one that is injured, destroyed, or sacrificed under any of various conditions"

 

[rainbowbob]

Aren't they both victims also?...FYI, Victim: "one that is injured, destroyed, or sacrificed under any of various conditions"

I really AM bored...there is nothing on the tube. And thanks for the vocabulary lesson, Lewis. Like I said, I'm here to learn.

OK...If you are minding your own business and a man assults you with deadly force and you kill him - is HE a victim?

 

[Sage of Seattle]

Saying she was wrong not too would be like telling the guy afraid of heights he's trash for not joining Airborne or the guy that can't swim he's responsible for a drowning because he didn't jump in and save the victim.

I'm not sure I follow, Selena. I would imagine that it's more like telling the guy who can swim he's responsible for a drowning because he didn't jump in and save him.

Quote:It is the same as if a truck was heading toward me, and I refuse to move out of the way. I bare some responsiblity for getting hit.

So, in that absolute statement you are saying if you suffer hysterical paralysis from the sight of that truck coming, you share the blame because of an involutary mental state.

You misunderstood what Lewis said. He said "...if I refuse to move..." while you responded with "...because of an involuntary mental state..." One clearly states a voluntary choice of not moving, your interpretation is an involuntary one.

Of all the beasts only the human being commits rape.

Rape as in forced sexual contact to assert dominance and control? There are untold numbers of examples of other animals who do this, including forced homosexual sex for dominance and control. Humans are certainly not the only beasts who rape. If your definition of rape is not the same as mine, however, I would be interested in hearing it.

And I'm sorry if I seem like I'm picking on you, Selena, I'm not.

And anyone can feel free to correct me, but I believe Lewis' position to be similar to the idea that a person who goes river rafting, for example, is afraid of having his boat get a hole in it and sinking. He goes out and buys a patch for his boat and one day gets a hole in his boat. For whatever reason he throws the patch over the side, and his boat sinks. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with this position, but I can conceivably see how some blame can be on the boat owner. Yes, it's not his fault because the rock which tore open his boat was hidden under the waves; yet, when it came time to take action to prevent the sinking, he did nothing.

As all analogies, this one is not perfect and perhaps too simplistic. I say this only to see if my understanding is accurate.

 

[Lewis68]

Again...too easy. They are both to blame for thier criminal act.

Are they both victims?

 

[rainbowbob]

Are they both victims?

FYI, Lewis: "Victim - One that is subjected to oppression, hardship, or mistreatment."

Neither one has been "mistreated"; ergo, neither one is a victim.

And you didn't answer my question, Lewis:

If you are minding your own business and a man assults you with deadly force and you kill him - is HE a victim?

 

[Bazooka Joe71]

Of all the beasts only the human being commits rape.


Rape as in forced sexual contact to assert dominance and control? There are untold numbers of examples of other animals who do this, including forced homosexual sex for dominance and control. Humans are certainly not the only beasts who rape. If your definition of rape is not the same as mine, however, I would be interested in hearing it.

Have you ever seen Tasmanian Devils or koala bears mate? I'd hardly call that consensual.

Ok, so now we have:

1. Dressing like a prostitute
2. Swimming
3. Drag Racing
4. Parking spots
5. Tasmanian Devils
6. Koala Bears

Yep, that about covers it...We are right on topic, keep plugging away guys!!!

 

[Lewis68]

FYI, Lewis: "Victim - One that is subjected to oppression, hardship, or mistreatment."

Neither one has been "mistreated"; ergo, neither one is a victim.

Are you seriously trying to change the defintion of Victim?

The correct one is 2a1. that is "one that is injured, destroyed, or sacrificed under any of various conditions <a victim of cancer> <a victim of the auto crash> <a murder victim>"

Now under the correct definition, are they victims?

 

[Justin]

This one's gone way off-track.