update RE: little girl killed by bear in TN gun free utopia

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this thread
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=195009&highlight=bear+attack

highlighted the danger of venturing into bear country unarmed.
We all know it is a rare occurence(SIC) but it is not safe to ignore it.

The following article does not say if mom carries now.

http://www.newschannel9.com/onset?id=10626&template=article.html&dateformat=%M+%e,%Y


(I am willing to bet it is still illegal to carry there)

For the first time, a woman, whose daughter died in a bear attack in Polk County, Tennessee nearly a year ago, is speaking out about what really happened. Susan Cenkus is talking about how she fought off the bear that attacked her son and how her family is healing from her daughter's untimely death. NewsChannel 9's Jessica Morris is the only television reporter to tell Susan Cenkus' story. To hear it from Susan, it's a story of grief and Grace. She said last April she thought she was going to die. She told the other campers to save her children and forget about her, but the mother, who was visiting from Ohio, lived to tell her story—one she said includes a God who is bigger than her tragedy.

“We happened to look up into the brush and we saw a bear, and at that point we just looked at each other and we said, 'We're going to leave,'” recalled Cenkus.

But the black bear at Chilhowee Campgrounds had other plans. Cenkus remembered last April like it was yesterday. The 13th was the last time she saw her 6-year old daughter, Elora Petrasek, alive.

“We were sitting beside the lake and she wanted to see the waterfall, and I wasn't feeling really well. And I said, 'Let's not go,' and she said, 'But I really want to go,'” recounted Cenkus.

They had no way of knowing a killer bear awaited them at Benton Falls.

“And there was the bear, and he had Luke. He had his paw on Luke.”

Preparing to die, she snatched away her son and fought the bear.

“There was no thinking. It was just action,” she said.

But in the excitement, Elora disappeared. Rescuers later found her lifeless body near the falls--mauled by the bear. Meanwhile, Susan and Luke were rushed to the hospital, both in critical condition, yet 11 months later completely healed. The brave mother now thanks God for her life and the time she got to spend with her precious little girl.

“She taught us so much in her short life, to love one another. Don't let the little things that stand between you and someone you care for--don't let those grow into big things because they really don't matter when it comes right down to it. It's each other. We matter to each other. You know, every day. She loved every person she ever met,” shared Cenkus as she laughed.

Cenkus said she won't let her fear keep her from visiting beautiful places, like Benton Falls. She said she's determined to go back.

Cenkus was in town speaking at an EMS training session, offering her gratitude to the rescue workers who saved her life.
 
sometimes I really despise anti's

they tell us that we don't need guns because we live in the city and there are no dangerous animals then when we go to the woods where the dangerous animals are they ban guns because they assume we will shoot animals willy nilly poaching:banghead:

Why don't they just ban bears teeth and claws?
 
Black bear (the only type of bear if you live east of Wyoming) attacks are exceedingly rare.

http://www.covebear.com/BlackBearAttacks.htm said:
According to Dr. Stephen Herrero in the period between 1900 and 1980 only twenty people were involved in a fatal black bear attack.

While I'm not at all trying to discourage carrying, your tent collapsing and suffocating you as you sleep or a branch falling off a tree are just about as likely -- if not more so -- to do you in out in the woods as a black bear attack.



Also, be very wary of what you put on the internet regarding bears:
bear3.jpg bear5.jpg
You never know who'll read it.
 
killer bear

While this is a tradegy, it points out the fact that if you will travel into areas where wild life lives, you chance an encounter with something higher up on the food chain than man.
Having the option to kill that animal for no reason, is not the answer.

Proper training will allow you to spot signs of predators in the area and avoid them.

In 3 generations of family hunting, we never have had to kill an animal that we weren't taking for food.

Man and wild life need to live together. I would worry more about the two legged creatures.
 
Gunsmith, your whole premise is pure BS. There is no gun free utopia in Tennessee. This is a southern state and there are lots of guns here. All you have to do is check how many gunshops there are in the East Tennessee area. Sales are brisk.

You people reading the same article I am? As I recall, Susan Cenkus was visiting since she had a child in one of the religious colleges in the area. Her comments just echo her religious sentiments. The News Channel 9 article does not even mention guns. Where do you people connect this to an anti-gun sentiment from the News Channel 9 article?

You add in articles from the past about bear attacks from places like New York, Washington DC etc., yes there is an anti-gun sentiment and agenda pushed at every opportunity by the media. But that does not apply to East Tennessee.
 
*sniff*
I can't imagine the horror or emotional anguish the mother is going through. She chose which child to save and will always live with that decision.

Would the childs life been saved if the mother had been armed and competent with her firearm?
 
Smellvin. That quote says that FATAL black bear attacks are rare. Black Bears are widely regarded as being more unpredictable and more likely to attack than brown bears. They are less likely to fatally attack due to their smaller size, but they are just as likely to attack if not more so.

All that being said I truly feel for the mother. Not sure that her having a gun would've changed the outcome of this situation, but it would have given her the option should she have had a chance to use it.
 
Yes, I agree. I also can not imagine the horror or her experience. Susan Cenkus was from Ohio. I doubt if her first thought now is whether or not she can carry in Tennessee. But if it was me, there would be no question that I would go through various defense scenarios that might have helped me avoid the whole situation in the first place. East Tennessee is not bear country, but the black bear population is increasing fairly quickly from what I read in the Blue Ridge area. There is now a bear season in Tennessee.
 
*sniff*
I can't imagine the horror or emotional anguish the mother is going through. She chose which child to save and will always live with that decision.

She did not choose which child to save. She attacked the bear as it was attacking her son. The daughter ran off and the bear mauled her later, as I read the article. To suggest she made a choice comes across as a bit callous.

As for suggesting that a firearm would have made a difference, didn't this happen in a National Park where they have to be unloaded and unaccessible? If so, this needs to change.
 
In TN even with a hand gun permit you can't carry in the Cherokee National Forest as possession of a gun is viewed as evidence of illegal hunting!
 
Preparing to die, she snatched away her son and fought the bear.

“There was no thinking. It was just action,” she said.

But in the excitement, Elora disappeared

The way I read it, she grabbed the child she could. I was not attacking her actions, merely being empathetic with her actions.
 
He makes reference to bears being a killer menace each time the animal pops up in the news, referring to the beasts as "godless killing machines."

http://www.wikiality.com/Bears

The link is informative, but not for the faint of heart.
 
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I feel tremendous sympathy for the mother and brother of the child that was kiled.

But killing bears who are defending their homes isn't the answer either. Educatinmg people is the answer. That and a HEALTHY dose of cmmon sense.

I will kill to defend my home and family. So will a bear. Don't endanger mt home or family and I won't bother you. Don't make the bear think that you are endangering his home or family and he won't bother you either.

BTW, professional grade pepper spray would have saved that child. can you say EDUCATION???
 
Read the whole paragraph:

“And there was the bear, and he had Luke. He had his paw on Luke.”

Preparing to die, she snatched away her son and fought the bear.

“There was no thinking. It was just action,” she said.

But in the excitement, Elora disappeared. Rescuers later found her lifeless body near the falls--mauled by the bear. Meanwhile, Susan and Luke were rushed to the hospital, both in critical condition, yet 11 months later completely healed. The brave mother now thanks God for her life and the time she got to spend with her precious little girl.

She didn't choose. She was with her daughter, the bear attacked her son, she snatched her son away from the bear and fought off the bear, her daughter ran away while she was doing this and was later found mauled by the bear.

This is an old story, as well. I've read on THR months ago.
 
Black bear (the only type of bear if you live east of Wyoming) attacks are exceedingly rare.
That statistic doesn't hold water to the victims' families. Doesn't matter to me, either. When I visit certain relatives in the U.P., the only way to get to them without going hundreds of miles out of the way is through about 12 miles of the Hiawatha National Forest. I always have a firearm with me, usually 10mm. Since dogs are the biggest threat up there, I carry something that will not only handle them, but in my opinion, handle a large black bear, which would be the worst threat, should, God forbid, I break down. There have been enough attacks up there to keep me from listening to anybody that thinks "we shouldn't worry about bears" and that "they're more scared of us than we are of them.":rolleyes:
 
How true. It's good to be cautious around any bears regardless of statistics.

Actually, it's prudent to be cautious around ANY wildlife. A raccoon, or a goose will attack you if it perceives itself, or it's young to be in danger from you.

CAUTION, COMMON SENSE, SITUATIONAL AWARENESS Just as important in the woods as in the city.
 
The mom wasn't allowed to carry a gun

it doesn't matter if TN is the most gun friendliest place in the verse if you obey the law (and read the link I provided to the original thread on the subject)
You would see that she wasn't allowed to carry a gun.

I have no idea if she would have anyway, but the attack, (no matter how rare)
would have been a different matter if mom had a .44 magnum.

I'm sure I would love to be all Daniel Boone like some of our internet commando's
would recognize bear signs and be all knowing in the woods....but I aint....
I'm a new yorker and the only time I saw a bear was in a zoo.

I live in bear/mountain lion country now and I will attempt to be one with nature and such....but if any animal wants me over for dinner I pack a gun, I may not win but I will certainly try.
 
Maybe I'm too drowsy on cold medications right now, but I don't see a source where it says guns were prohibited there....

And don't worry too much about the bears and mountain lions. I've lived my entire life hiking, camping, and fishing in black bear and mountain lion territory, and let me warn you, if you're getting killed in the woods, it's the mosquitoes and disease carrying insects and animals that'll kill ya!
 
You can find 2-legged animals anywhere. They are a bigger danger than the bears. However, bears are unpredictable, and blacks can get up to 6-700 lbs in the south. Even a small aggressive bear can kill or cripple you.

To stop a bear quickly, no handgun is as reliable as pepper spray. Plan B would be a shotgun slug or stout rifle cartridge. Plan X, Y, or Z would be a large handgun. Killing the bear is not the objective - stopping him before he gets to you is!
 
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