UPS and FedEx, no longer allow intrastate shipping

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I know it's been posted about how to ship a gun a million times but guess what, they changed thier policy. Today myself and another member were trying to make a trade inside of FL, both having permits for concealed carry. They, UPS and FedEX, no longer allow it. After a half dozen calls I got a hold of a manager of the entire South Fl area, and he told me that they changed thier policy. I told the guy that I was doing the transaction with, but he was able to do it one way, which was Fedex Air, the UPS told him that he cannot even send ammo unless one party has an FFL, collectors license, or it's coming from or going to a manufacturer. I put this up before and someone posted that it has been talked about a million times, well "that was then", and "this is now". I am re-posting this so that members don't get in any hassle not at least asking, before attempting to ship by what "used" to be the allowed methods. And I know that there are web sites that say different, check before you ship, please.
 
Don't tell them what it is.

The federal requirement that the carrier be notified when shipping a firearm (18 USC 922(e)) only applies to interstate shipping, not intrastate shipping.

(e) It shall be unlawful for any person knowingly to deliver or cause to be delivered to any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in interstate or foreign commerce, to persons other than licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, or licensed collectors, any package or other container in which there is any firearm or ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or ammunition is being transported or shipped; except that any passenger who owns or legally possesses a firearm or ammunition being transported aboard any common or contract carrier for movement with the passenger in interstate or foreign commerce may deliver said firearm or ammunition into the custody of the pilot, captain, conductor or operator of such common or contract carrier for the duration of the trip without violating any of the provisions of this chapter. No common or contract carrier shall require or cause any label, tag, or other written notice to be placed on the outside of any package, luggage, or other container that such package, luggage, or other container contains a firearm.
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Also note that the Federal law doesn't apply if you're sending it to a licensed manufacturer, such as Ruger, S&W, etc.

(e) It shall be unlawful for any person knowingly to deliver or cause to be delivered to any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in interstate or foreign commerce, to persons OTHER THAN licensed importers, licensed manufacturers, licensed dealers, or licensed collectors, any package or other container in which there is any firearm or ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or ammunition is being transported or shipped; except that any passenger who owns or legally possesses a firearm or ammunition being transported aboard any common or contract carrier for movement with the passenger in interstate or foreign commerce may deliver said firearm or ammunition into the custody of the pilot, captain, conductor or operator of such common or contract carrier for the duration of the trip without violating any of the provisions of this chapter. No common or contract carrier shall require or cause any label, tag, or other written notice to be placed on the outside of any package, luggage, or other container that such package, luggage, or other container contains a firearm.
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Ummm, I just shipped ammo not two weeks ago UPS, wasn't any big deal.
Label it ORM-D and off you go, can only go ground.
 
Then the manager of your local outlet is an idiot for turning away completely legitimate business.

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Gym - Not saying I don't believe you, but did you bother to ask them for the change of policy in writing?

If not, I'd be extremely hesitant to believe anything they said. And honestly, until I see something in writing from UPS and FedEx saying that they've changed their policies, I'm gonna have to call shenanigans on the whole thing.
 
Why do you need a second thread on this subject?

FedEx never did allow shipment between non-FFLs and I think UPS was blowing smoke.

Call corporate and ask them why they have a change in policy that isn't reflected on their website, and that a regional manager conveyed this to you.

I have called about specific policy questions and they told me that if they change a policy, that the web site would be the first place to be updated. They are very specific about policy change and liability.

I am willing to bet that this manager is full of it... I will be calling UPS corporate tomorrow.

Would you like to post the manager's name?
After all, it is his job to represent the company that he works for and if his information is correct then there is no issue what-so-ever.
 
You were given misinformation, don't depend on what you are told, go to the source. Most employees do not know every rule they are supposed to work by, which is why I always take a copy of the FedEx or UPS policy with me when shipping a gun.

The big difference between them is that FedEx will only ship to an FFL or manufacturer, while UPS allows private party to private party shipments.
 
hmmm, two threads on the same subject less than 3 hours apart by the same poster.... oh well...

i dont know what the circumstances were, but i shipped a handgun via UPS on tuesday... had zero problems...

since you are only required to inform them that there is a firearm present, not who the recipient is, why is this an issue? UPS does not have any way to verify that the person receiving the firearm is an FFL, how are they going to know?
 
The reason you see 2 threads is I thought one got cut, I been here a while and have no reason to make things up, especially when it applies to the wellbieng and safty of others. I am going to try FedEx air, as the gent who I was transacting with found that to be the only one that would take it on his weapon, cost him 50 bucks.
 
Seems like, if it is the law to only have to inform of firearms if shipped interstate, then you only have to worry about company policy. If they have a company policy against shipping firearms to non-FFLs, and the gun gets "lost" then they may not pay the insurance. Otherwise, you don't have to tell them squat.
 
Good point, so if you insure the weapon, as a gift, you aren't violating the law, you make a very credible case, Does this stuff get x-rayed, at random?
 
I just shipped a 1911 via UPS less than a week ago. No problems at all.

If you search for "firearms" on the UPS website, you'll find their policies.

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I'll need to see the contents to verify that those machine parts are not firearms
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Uh . . . no one has ever, EVER asked to see the contents of one of my boxes. And to help matters I usually say I'm shipping machine parts no matter what is in the box.
 
And I've shipped "machine parts" before without anyone asking to inspect the box.
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and youve also admitted to committing a crime on a public internet forum... you ARE required by law to inform the carrier that you are shipping a firearm
 
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Funny, I've shipped rifles intrastate with FedEx without an issue.
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Yes, employees not knowing, and violating company policy, works both ways. Sometimes they will swear that they will not ship and other times they will ship second day air or using other methods that are "out of accordance" with their policy.

Neither reflects differences in policy, just the ignorance of the associates that we have to deal with.
 
I don't see anything on the UPS website that says they don't allow intrastate shipping as noted in the OP. Anybody find it? gym, you may not be making anything up, but the information you have does not fit the available information.

Also, why would UPS and FedEx both do this at the same time?

I did a Google search and you seem to be the only person on the web with any current gun intrastate shipping problems. You may not by lying, but your information doesn't jive.
 
American_Pit_Bull

The manager of the FedEx near where I work stated quite plainly that long arms can be shipped without an issue within the state by their policy, but that handguns need to go overnight (again, by their policy) and firearms of all sorts may be shipped by any method to an FFL holder.
 
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And to help matters I usually say I'm shipping machine parts no matter what is in the box.
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So we've established you're dishonest.

Someone brings me a box, wants to claim "machine parts", I inspect the box. If they don't like it, they are welcome to go down the street, putting my competitor at risk.

If they are honest, I will gladly ship their item in accordance to all laws and carrier policies, making sure their shipment is fully ensured.

All this subterfuge to get around the laws and carrier policies is nonsense.
 
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