Value of a Mint Remington Rand 1911
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1911Tuner
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Rand!
Great pistols! Wish I had five more.
As for the value...probably somewhere between 500 and 800 dollars...
maybe more, depending on a few details. Also..."Mint" means different
things to different people. The only real way to tell would be to have
it appraised, and be sure to tell the dealer who does the appraisal that
you're not interested in selling...just want to know the value.
Search for a member here by the handle of dsk. He can likely put you closer on the figures and give you the details to look for that would enhance or detract from the value.
Luck!
Tuner
Great pistols! Wish I had five more.
As for the value...probably somewhere between 500 and 800 dollars...
maybe more, depending on a few details. Also..."Mint" means different
things to different people. The only real way to tell would be to have
it appraised, and be sure to tell the dealer who does the appraisal that
you're not interested in selling...just want to know the value.
Search for a member here by the handle of dsk. He can likely put you closer on the figures and give you the details to look for that would enhance or detract from the value.
Luck!
Tuner
Jim Watson
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Mint?
MINT!
As in unused, not refinished, not refurbished, NEW?
Prices are up, way up.
From a thread on 1911forum.com
On Auction Arms last week a plain-jane 90% 1943 Colt sold at over $2300. And yesterday at my local dealer they had a 1945 Remington Rand in about 85% condition that went out the door in a matter of hours for $1200.
Folks, sorry to say but genuine GI 1911 pistols are now a high-end collector's item. They're no longer something ordinary working men can easily afford.
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That is the dsk that Tuner refers to.
MINT!
As in unused, not refinished, not refurbished, NEW?
Prices are up, way up.
From a thread on 1911forum.com
On Auction Arms last week a plain-jane 90% 1943 Colt sold at over $2300. And yesterday at my local dealer they had a 1945 Remington Rand in about 85% condition that went out the door in a matter of hours for $1200.
Folks, sorry to say but genuine GI 1911 pistols are now a high-end collector's item. They're no longer something ordinary working men can easily afford.
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D. Kamm
USGI M1911/M1911A1 Pistols Website
http://usgi1911.tripod.com
That is the dsk that Tuner refers to.
Walt Sherrill
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And our only consolation about the rise in prices is that we can buy an infintely better gun, nowadays, for a lot less that the WWII "mint" guns, if our intent is an accurate, reliable weapon based on the same basic design.
Unless you were a true collector, these guns were just starting points, anyway...
Unless you were a true collector, these guns were just starting points, anyway...
I sold a Remington-Rand a couple years ago for $750. I'd rate it at 70% or less; viscious 1" scratch across the top of the slide, idiot mark, aftermarket hammer and trigger, beveled mag well, aftermarket flat MSH.
What can I tell ya, I got it for free, and it laid around for ~17 years unfired.
"Mint" copies are 'way more expensive than you'd think. I'd say a true mint piece would fetch better than $1800 depending on the circumstances of the sale.
What can I tell ya, I got it for free, and it laid around for ~17 years unfired.
"Mint" copies are 'way more expensive than you'd think. I'd say a true mint piece would fetch better than $1800 depending on the circumstances of the sale.
This one is probably 95% - Never refurbed, never refinished. Has no marks other than some very minor wear on one front corner of the slide from the holster and shows no wear on the slide, frame or barrel. Bore is clean, rifling is sharp, no uck anywhere. Damn thing looks like it just came off the assembly line. He apparently got it new and claims to have fired only one or two boxes of ammo through it.
1911Tuner
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Really Minty, eh?
Sounds like you've got yourself a 1500 dollar Rand there...dang.
Sounds like you've got yourself a 1500 dollar Rand there...dang.
cratz2
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I assume this person was in the service during WWII, right? Maybe a desk jocky or something? Other than that, I'd think it would pretty hard for him to have got it new and to know that only two boxes of ammo were sent through it.
On the other hand, if it is definately the original finish and better than 90%, you probably have a spiffy little piece there. Can you post a parial serial number hopefully only leaving off the last two (or three) digits?
Not sure on the acquisition. This guy was a Nam vet and received the gun from his father, who got it new in WWII. It came to him in it's original packaging, with nary a round fired through it. The only ammo fired through it was fired through it by him.
I'll dig for some more info and see about posting a serial number.
Just an FYI, he's not a collector and is now considering selling it to a collector and then buying a 1911 to shoot. If it goes for sale, I'll be the one putting it out and of course, folks here get the first stab at it.
I'll dig for some more info and see about posting a serial number.
Just an FYI, he's not a collector and is now considering selling it to a collector and then buying a 1911 to shoot. If it goes for sale, I'll be the one putting it out and of course, folks here get the first stab at it.
Take a look on the slide around the slide stop notch. Should be discolored from the original heat treat. Also, needs to have red plastic stocks if original.
I would not pay original prices unless it looked totally original. There are beaucoup RRs with arsenal reworks, kitchen table mods, etc. YMMV
I would not pay original prices unless it looked totally original. There are beaucoup RRs with arsenal reworks, kitchen table mods, etc. YMMV
gyp_c2
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Sure thing...there was a ton of 'em sold in every condition you can think of...before '68 you could order the damn things through the mail from salvage grade to brand spankin' new...they didn't cost 1500. either...
OK folks, I have said pistol in my hands. I'll try to get some digital photos of it online over the next day or two so you can all take a gander. The serial number shows that it has a 1945 date of manufacture. How do I tell if it's been arsenal refinished?
Looking forward to seeing the pics. I just looked at a 1943 Rand that was re-worked at the original Rock Island Arsenal. The thing looked like it didn't have any finish left on it! But it handled and felt great! 1911Tuner gave me some ideas for what to look for in a pistol of that era. Very good stuff. The Rand I saw was selling for $969.
Just finished the teardown. This thing has very little wear, and probably shows less than 500 rounds. Receiver, barrel and slide are all matching and all parts are original. There are NO arsenal marks. The only marks are those that are supposed to be there. Gun is probably NRA 90% or better. I have to go do the Cub Scout thing, but I'll be shooting some pictures later and will post them to this thread.
Back when DCM was selling 1911 pistols in the 50's-60's a buyer could have received pretty much anything, from a re-arsenaled dog to a minty-clean specimen. In fact, a small number of brand-new, unissued Remington Rands were sold to a few lucky new owners. These guns were in the late production range for Remington Rand, S/N's above #2 million. You didn't say if there was a possibility that this pistol was purchased through DCM, but if so it may be one of these.
BluesBear
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If this is accurate, then it doesn't appear to be a DCM gun.
One wonders how many 1911 and 1911A1 pistols slipped through the cracks and were never issued or used. I personally know of one, never fired 1919/1920 Colt 1911 (not an A1) that surfaced at Fort Knox in the early 1990s. Complete with 2 sealed 20 round boxes of Frankfort Arsenal ammunition.
<<Guy has his head screwed on bass-ackwards IMNSHO.>>
Ok, I was a little blunt and came back to retype this. MY thinking is still the same though. Your buddie's dad obviously though quite a bit of that piece of "living history", beyond it's value as a WWII relic. Hanging on to it for all these years pretty much proves that.
If, and it's a big IF he does decide to sell it, I suggest he sell it to someone that will be willing to sell it back to him in a few years when he regains his senses.
My dad gave me his old stamp collection. It's probably worth all of a hundred bucks. Even though I don't collect stamps, to me it's priceless.
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I'm trying to convince him to keep it, but if he decides to sell it, I may very well be the buyer...
I've taken the pictures, and emailed them from my home pc to my work pc so I could do the posting on my lunch hour. Surprise surprise! We're having email issues today so I have yet to receive the pictures...
As soon as I receive them, I'll post them. Otherwise, this evening at the latest.
I've taken the pictures, and emailed them from my home pc to my work pc so I could do the posting on my lunch hour. Surprise surprise! We're having email issues today so I have yet to receive the pictures...
As soon as I receive them, I'll post them. Otherwise, this evening at the latest.
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