Verbal commands in an extreme situation?

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Do the troops receive any training in the local lingo?

When I was stationed in Belgium part of our practical eval for our duty position was giving basic commands in French, the most common language. Halte! Les mains en l'aire! Jettez vos armes!

I also remember a few curse words, but I won't repeat 'em here... ;)

We also have basic Spanish instruction at the PD. I'm assuming they teach the troops in Iraq at least a few words in the local lingo. Anybody in the sandbox want to let us in on some?
 
"When I was stationed in Belgium part of our practical eval for our duty position was giving basic commands in French, the most common language."

I would have guessed "J'abandonne, tu as gagne'!":D
 
They give us some basics at the beginning, but I can't for the life of me remember them. The one good thing over here is that the "elder" of the group has "control" over the situation. You tell the elder you want all of his group to stay in one spot and he'll tell his group.

Even though it may be expected that the locals dont speak English very well, you'd be surprised. We've been here for 5 years now, and the kids especcially know how to barter and beg extremely well. Still, hand signals and single syllable words are used a lot.

My job for the first 9 months was convoy security, and we traveled mostly at night with a curfew on the locals, so dealing them wasn't much of an issue until you had to go qualify with heavy weapons once a month. Apparently brass is 20X more valuable to them than us. They would abandon their shoes to go collect the .50, 7.62, and 5.56 brass during/after the range time. They were quite a handful. My squad leader was surrounded by 5-15 year olds at one point, and they didn't even care that he had a loaded Mossberg 500 off safe and ready to go.

The biggest thing is to be confident and in control. What do you do when you're dealing with a stray or untrained dog? You give him a command you dont ask him anything. You tell him. Same over here.

Thanks for the support by the way. I know a lot of you are prior/current service, its what drew me to this site. Its good to be in the presence of professionals.
Airborne!
 
The former Treasury Agent who ran my CCW class a few years ago advocated short commands :

His advice was : " FREEZE , A$$H0LE. "

He felt that it was terminology that someone who may need shooting would clearly understand.
 
The biggest thing is to be confident and in control. What do you do when you're dealing with a stray or untrained dog? You give him a command you dont ask him anything. You tell him. Same over here.

Words of wisdom that I expect would work in most cases here, too.

Thanks for the support by the way. I know a lot of you are prior/current service, its what drew me to this site. Its good to be in the presence of professionals.
Airborne!

Thanks for your service. Stay safe.

SAC - First one's there in 30 minutes or less or the second one's free. ;)
 
For what its worth, when you do offer verbal commands, attempt to refrain from swearing. I know its difficult in the heat of the moment. But try to retain a show of control. It will look better when trying to defend yourself to a DA or grand jury if you can say that you kept control (not that you weren't scared), gave clear verbal commands, and then whatever happened (i.e. you either escalated, or didn't) happened. Just my two cents worth.
 
A lot of great advice so far from our diverse community. Thanks...and keep it comin'! [the OP].

"Why you always looking at guns, Private? Going to come back and shoot up the platoon or something?"
-My LT after seeing me visiting THR...and we walk around armed at all times...

Man, killermonkey - I get that crap from my wife sometimes (she doesn't "believe" in guns). I never would have expected that you would hear it from a comrade-in-arms. That kinda sucks!
 
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As others have said, two words......OODA Loop. Link

Yelling or talking in a very loud and gruff voice may be just enough to catch an attacker off guard and make them hesitate for a split second, which might be all you need to draw and take aim and hopefully convince them to leave. Except for some determined attackers, it certainly couldn't hurt to do this. Personally I would NOT say you are a cop as I'm pretty sure that can be considered impersonating an officer. It certainly can't hurt to yell out a command "GET BACK!" or something similar if you should find yourself in a situation like that.
 
Has anyone possibly thought of applying their dealings with animals/kids (same difference ;) ) to a situation like this? No matter your thoughts, humans are animals too. While drugs/alcohol can enhance aggression and affect a persons reactions, generally the aggressor wants to be in control of the situation. By confronting them with strong words, it can make them hesitate. By strong I don't necessarily mean cursing, although it can help, I'd imagine.

Body language is expected as well. Maintain a strong, confident, and in control stance and project yourself as the "alpha male" works with animals, it can and will work with humans as well.

And thanks, sacp. 82nd Airborne. All-American. Because only two things fall from the ground. Bird-**** and Paratroopers. Chicken-**** stays on the ground.

And Rainbow, it was because it was on his NIPR (Non-secure Internet Protocol Router) Net computer, on his account. He was paranoid about sites I was visiting. Looking up guns and ****. Whatever, I follow orders.
 
And thanks, sacp. 82nd Airborne. All-American. Because only two things fall from the ground. Bird-**** and Paratroopers. Chicken-**** stays on the ground.

Hoorah! I'm a 5 jump wonder myself. :D I worked security for nuclear couriers so I had to go through the whole aircrew survival training bit. S'okay, we always gotta have our friendly little rivalries. Too bad there's no SAC anymore. ;) My hat is off to anyone who jumps for a living.

You make an interesting point about dealing with animals. I'm speaking specifically about dogs here because I've had to deal with dogs belonging to some of my "customers" and feral dogs while on patrol. A couple points:

1) A dog in his own yard is usually more dangerous than a dog on the street (unlesss he's been allowed "run" of the street). If he feels like he's on his own "turf", he's far more territorial and will defend it. That's why you've gotta take the attitude that all "turf" is your turf. Make it belong to you.

2) Eye contact. Eye contact is a means of gaining dominance but you gotta be careful. Some dogs will back down, especially if they're not on their own territory(see above), but others will take it as a challenge if you maintain it for too long. If the festivities haven't started yet, make eye contact long enough for them to recognize that you aren't submissive and then kind of slide away to the side as if looking at something beyond them. It alerts their BA radar and lets them know you aren't a prey animal or a lower member of their pack.

3) Dogs will attack targets of opportunity. If the first display results in you turning your back and runnning, expect to be chased down.

4) Thinking along these lines, there really is something to the "I'm your huckleberry" response. If you stand your ground but don't give off any signs of overt aggression or fear, the dog will generally be confused. His mind can't reorient to deal with this quickly enough because he isn't used to seeing it.

5) Orient on them up and use movement and obstacles to block their way. Move to place yourself at an advantage. This is part of making all turf your turf.

6) Loud commands can work on a dog not trained for attack. Again, sheep don't roar.

7) Dogs are always more dangerous in packs. The old saw of "take out the leader and the rest will run away" may work if the action is developing slowly, but if the frenzy is on the rest may not know the leader is down. If you're gonna do it, do it before the momentum of battle gets started.

Some of these observations will apply to packs of humans as well, but don't take the analogy too far.
 
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I do my best Fire Marshal Bill impression.

"LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING!!!"

and then don't tell tham anything, just stand there, waiting for the next move.
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Quiet word!

Body language is expected as well. Maintain a strong, confident, and in control stance and project yourself as the "alpha male" works with animals, it can and will work with humans as well.
Well said Killermonkey

It does, case in point, major City, returning from pistol match. Early 90s, carry gun, Colt LW Commander, Hotel had parking Garage, top floor not covered, bright warm day, two young men, standing at entrance of stairwell, both had a foot on car, leaned against car stance, me carrying aluminum camera case (Gun case) them watching case. To get to entrance to stairs, I would have had to pass between them, 1m (3' ft) to contact, either one of them.

Slid case towards them, just a couple of inches, when I stood up, rigid weaver ready, 45 degrees... "You are in my way Lads" not that loud, they both took off like rabbits! One ran behind the backed in Station Wagon next to stairs, big "Clunk" loud "Ouch" now limping youth kept running down the ramp.

Told Manager, he said "Kids play around there all the time" Hullo? the limper, he hit the tow bar on the wagon, that must have hurt.

Those two knew they where a half second from shots fired, at my estimated 15'. No stress at that instance, but 10 minutes later I could not hold a glass of water too steady!
 
only time pulled in Florida on idiot with tyre lever.
yes the car stalled yes my brother is not the best driver in the world.
no threating violence is not going to help.
its Florida people carry guns waving tyre irons at them not terribly bright.
An Sks with a 30 round mag on tends to make somebody think plus the command "Brtish army halt or I shoot" probably confused the hell out of the poor slob:D
 
Remember, Florida wasn't one of the original 13 colonies. No one ever taught him what to do in that situation.

what break out the barbeque cause we have set the white house on fire:D?
 
what break out the barbeque cause we have set the white house on fire?

With the love that our Federal government has engendered in the hearts of many in the past 80 years or so, I think marshmallows might be more appropriate. :D
 
might be of a crowd though :D

the situation I think only resolved itself peaceably because of aggressive action with "too much gun"
the guy was an idiot or wound up so much by something else and was looking for a fight. finding himself looking down the wrong end of a big scary rifle obviously made his brain start working again:D
 
I must have a low level of testosterone as my goal is to never have to take a life. My CCW is there to allow me the opportunity to defend myself if the need should ever arise and that need has to be clearly defined.

With this in mind, I will try and disarm a BG using verbal commands. Even if it takes 10 minutes of telling him/her to drop a weapon or to reason with him.

Of course, this goes out the window if the guy points a gun at me. I am shooting first and talking later at that point. But if the guy has a knife, club or other weapon and I am smart enough to maintain a safe distance between us, then I will verbally try to disarm him. In the very least my goal is to make the dumb ass run away.

I have worked hard for to long to acquire the assets I have to hand them all over to a perp's family and their lawyers in the event I get trigger happy and blow one away. I would rather show constraint until the situation requires otherwise.

Just my opinion and feelings.

Chris
 
if attacker persues after I've retreated, the weapon is aimed COM and the Command becomes:

SHOOT TO STOP!!! SHOOT TO STOP!!!

I'm going to start using this technique for everything I do!

I can see it now, me in my bathroom screaming BRUSH MY TEETH! BRUSH MY TEETH! BRUSH MY TEETH! Then me in my driveway at 7:00 A.M. screaming START THE CAR! START THE CAR! START THE CAR!
 
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