video of robbery/assault on a bus in Europe

[middleground]

Mods,

I apologize in advance if you do not want the video linked in this way. The website is mostly geared towards "college humor."

http://www.break.com/index/dude-mugged-on-paris-bus1.html

I just got back from two weeks in Europe, and this video really got my attention. I spent a fair amount of trains and buses but never had a problem.

It looks like the victim in this scenario almost goes out of his way not to be aware of his surroundings. I assumed he was a tourist at first, but the video does include audio, and it seems he does speak the language.

5 on 1 is never good odds, but maybe being more aware of his surroundings and not looking like a soft target might have led to a better outcome for this guy.

Anyone here ever deal with this type of situation?

Ever step in when you saw it happen to someone else?

I would assume that in much of Europe concealed carry is not an option.

-MG

 

[Hungry Seagull]

Sleepy head standing between the rails past the door is the target right? The little white coat and the 4-5 others are part of the pack. I saw them right off but wasnt sure until greycoat made the first contact.

What a bad train wreck, it never stops.

I have not ridden mass transit in years, but if you want a perfect text book video of what a soft target (Aka PREY....) looks like... here it is.

That white small person was trouble from the very first frame of the video... way too energized for a simple bus ride. He was my number one target.

Upon a second view of the video, it seems they have not really learned where enough is enough and scatter into the night. They have to keep coming back for second helpings.

The old .45 would take care of that right quick.. but those others on the bus... they just sit there. Back home, those not involved would clear out quickly expecting gunplay.

 

[Clint C]

What a bunch of candy []. Yes it has happened to me and I didn't just sit there taking punches. I am just an average size guy, maybe a little stocky, and I'll tell you one thing, I wouldn't let some fifteen year old kid in a white hoody punch me in the face. I would have mule kicked him right out the door. If there is anything I have ever learned in a situation like that, it is always be first. That last guy in back let that dude punch him in the face twice, hello, after the first one I would have lit him up.

 

[Rellian]

this was a textbook example of the 'Escalation' interview. Starting with mini-me tossing something in the victim's direction. This guy should have seen it coming... (maybe he did and just ignored it like good a little sheep, they do train them well in Europe)

 

[Speedo66]

The women were the first to say something, telling.

The driver did nothing, and kept the doors open so they could return a second time.

At some point the guy had to get involved, not just be a punching bag.

 

[Hungry Seagull]

Well a pacifist punching bag has a good use too. /sarcasm.

I thought to stay away from this topic but the sheer... incompetence or unwillingness to NOT be a bag just absurd to me. Most people get angry and start hitting back making it up and refining as they go.

 

[Dark Skies]

The punchbag was probably thinking what most ordinary, unarmed, isolated victims think. "If I don't antagonize them by hurting one of them maybe the kicking will stop soon.''

Once I'd felt I was being eyed up as a possible target I'd have been looking for a moment I could bustle out with the rest of the passengers before anything happened. I'd have been surrepticiously getting my Biro into my hand too - eyeballs and stiff pointy things are a bad combo.

 

[Gamera]

1. He should have been sitting/standing with his back to a window/corner, so that he could keep an eye on all passengers and goings on.

2. I would have been in condition orange once the guy bumped into me (did he put a firecracker in his pocket? That's what it looked like...)

3. Once the dudes start grabbing you and becoming violent, spring into action! There's nothing to be gained by taking a beating. Since it was such close quarters, I'd say some elbows, knees, and kicks to the groin would have been in order. If you're really getting pummeled then it's time to start eye-gouging and throat-punching.

Edit: This is all assuming we're not carrying, like in the video.

 

[Clint C]

If you're really getting pummeled then it's time to start eye-gouging and throat-punching.

My point exactly. With it being 4-5 on one, I would have been hanging off of one guys neck like a pit-bull, and I don't mean with my hands. If you don't have a concealed weapon when something like that happens you do whatever it takes to survive.

Glad to see that guy was still able to stand up after that.

1. He should have been sitting/standing with his back to a window/corner, so that he could keep an eye on all passengers and goings on.

This is a great tactic. Most people won't start messing with you if you are face to face with them. If one doesn't start messing with you then the next wont antagonize it.

 

[Hungry Seagull]

I had one or two fights in my time where I was on the defensive against several at once. I was able to get out of that particular room by using corners and other objects to force the group to engage me one at a time but I had to do it to where the main hatch was to get clear of the entire room.

Bit touch and go but due to no one really knowing anything about fighting, mostly yelling and slapping and shoving... no real damage was done. It was more of a mental problem to process than anything.

If it was in a steel hauling truckstop, I wont be alive to write about it today.

Ever been on a subway? The tension in the train car can be very... touchable when gangs with different colors occupy a corner with the nuetrals like me in the middle. One spark... that was all it needed. Man that was a LONG 40 minutes. I think one corner were reds, another blue and a third gold. From what I understand none of the three liked each other at all.

 

[SuperFlanker]

a bunch of little hoodlums picking on me would be a welcome opportunity to unload some aggression. I would punch with bad intentions, make em realize that I'm crazier then they are. His biggest mistake though is not looking at his enemy that is a sign of weakness.

 

[Gamera]

Yup, if some punk is checking you out, it never hurts to give 'em one of those Clint Eastwood stares that says "you'd better mind your own business".

 

[Hungry Seagull]

Well, Try that with bubba who weights over you 120+ pounds in mass and has a longer reach. He will simply loom over you and ask you, you got a problem pee wee>?

Sometimes engaging man to man eyelocks spark a fight.

This dude on the bus... he was not in any position, maybe too many hours worked or drunk or something. Ugh.

Poster Boy of those who are prey.

 

[middleground]

My take on this is pretty much what always seems to come up on this forum. If he had been aware of what was going around him, and allowed himself to understand he was in danger, maybe he could have prevented most or all of what happened.

Unless you’ve got some training, I think most people are going to have a really tough time against 5 dirty fighting thugs. Fighting back is better then lying down to take a beating, but avoiding the fight trumps all.

I’m no security expert, but I’d like to think that if someone threw something near me on a bus like that, I’d start to pay better attention. Maybe put myself in a position to keep a better eye on things.

 

[Deanimator]

The punchbag was probably thinking what most ordinary, unarmed, isolated victims think. "If I don't antagonize them by hurting one of them maybe the kicking will stop soon.''

Being from the south side of Chicago, I have a somewhat different thought process which can be summarized as, "If I hit you across the windpipe really hard, with the edge of my hand enough times, you'll leave me alone."

 

[4Freedom]

I am about twice the size in muscle mass than most of the scumbags that beat the guy on that bus. But if I was traveling alone on a sketchy bus at night in Paris, I would have a big knife to plant in the chest of the guy before I let them go and beat me to death. Watching one of their friends ripped to pieces might inspire the other cowaards to run away rather than be victim #2. I was almost beat to death once and I know I rather die fighting than let that happen again. In USA, where I can carry a gun, well I think you know what I would do in that scenario.

Heres a related story like this in UK:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/stand...a+City+worker+as+he+dozed+on+train/article.do

 

[Gamera]

Hungry, notice I said punk (like in the video). I wasn't talking about getting into a staring contest with Ahnold or anything like that

 

[Gamera]

oops

 

[PT1911]

Being from the south side of Chicago, I have a somewhat different thought process which can be summarized as, "If I hit you across the windpipe really hard, with the edge of my hand enough times, you'll leave me alone."

alright now damnit... Ia m gonna need you to come and clean my keyboard!!!!!!!!!!!!.. better yet.... i ThInk i nEED a NeW oNE aLTOgEtHER.

 

[Kayback]

There are only so many corners in any one bus. We can't all be in them.

Sometimes surrendering your wallet is the easiest way to get through the day. I wouldn't weigh my options very high 5 v 1.

But remember THIS IS EUROPE. You can't go smacking down 5 teenagers just because they are stealing your wallet and kicking you.

Honestly. My brother was mugged in Britain a while ago, on the subway. He was doing all the right things, and was actually bugging out when the mugging started. It was only 1 v 1, but the guy cut him off, said he had a knife and demanded my brother's phone and wallet, which he handed over. Profitable day for the badguy, not shove off.

Except the badguy decided to be greedy and demanded my brother's back pack as well. Which had the remainder of his travelers checks and his passport. My brother said No, you've got my wallet and my phone, there isn't anything in the bag you need, now leave.

This should have tipped the badguy off.

He demanded the bag again, to which my brother replied with an elbow strike to the jaw and a punch to the throat, propelling the badguy out the door seconds before they closed. Last time he saw the badguy he was lying on his back gasping for breath thinking ***? but still holding my brother wallet and phone.

Next station my brother hopped off the train and high tailed it to a cop shop and reported the mugging. TO BE TOLD BY THE COPS THAT IF THE CRIMINAL REPORTS IT THEY WILL HAVE TO CHARGE MY BROTHER WITH ASSAULT.

My brother was ***? And the cop said and I quote, "Don't worry about it, these guys never come in to file a complaint, so you are probably ok." Not you were in the right, or defending yourself against a guy with a knife or how about we'll go look for the guy and arrest him. "You will probably be ok".

They then handed him a booklet saying, basically, stay indoors at home at night. If you have to go out and get into trouble, run away. That was the extent of the self defence advice given by the cops in London. The booklet also said "carry a torch (flashlight)". So my brother, being the practical minded South African he is, started carrying a 4 cell Mag Light around

So yeah, the guy in the video was badly placed in a tactical sense, but that's what you do in Europe.

Disclaimer - I know Europe is not one country, and it is a large place and regional laws and such differ, but I've heard don't fight back from pretty much all of the countries I've been to there.

 

[Dark Skies]

Kayback paints a sad but true picture of what the British can expect from our police 'service' these days. Tony Blair's (now Gordon Brown's) Labour party has so politicised our police that they now are riddled with the whole upside-down standards of logic that goes with a socialist police state.

They now longer act for the citizen. In fact your rights increase out of all proportion to the law-abiding once you become a criminal. It's one of the reasons I got out.

A victim is in the unhappy state of having the police not only fail to turn up but also, if they do, he or she is likely to be arrested if they did anything to protect themselves or their property.

 

[theken206]

looks like there may have been some smack talk that lead up to it as well no?

 

[4Freedom]

The so-called conservative moronic minded president of France sums it all up with his final statement:

There is no Second Amendment in Europe. Even European politicians from the so-called "right," like Mr. Sarkozy, are horrified at the suggestion that citizens should be allowed to protect themselves against criminals. Last year, Mr. Sarkozy told French radio: "Security is the responsibility of the state. I am against the private ownership of firearms. If you are assaulted by an armed burglar, he will use his weapon more effectively than you anyway, so you are risking your life."

Thanks Mr. Sarkozy and the rest of the French (gotta love em), for leaving innocent civilians at the mercy of wild jackals who run the street.

Heres a good article about how the criminal element is taking over the populace in France and the video is a good example of the outcome of their legislation:
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2739

Another article about the degenerate European mindset on Crime. Heres a little hint, guns are not the problem, but massive, unrestricted immigration of desperate people as well as open borders were guns can easily be smuggled. For all the taxes people pay in Europe, you think they can clean up some of the graffiti on their streets? With a corrupt country like Russia nearby, smuggling in illegal arms to West European countries will be easier than smuggling cocaine to USA from South America.
http://www.expatica.com/fr/news/news_focus/Europe-needs-to-do-more-than-tightens-gun-laws_50551.html

 

[kyo]

He needed that wake up call. Hopefully he got some training after that. His own fault for being an easy target. He knew it was coming, he just wanted to not believe it. The whole time he kept thinking it was over but it wasn't for a while.
I wear black all the time just cause in my experience its more intimidating.
That kid in the white hood could have been dropped in one good hit. Where is that guys instinct for self preservation???

 

[Mp7]

a can of pepper spray and a small pocket knife is all you can have in most euro metro areas.

But that would have been probably enuff to stop the muggin.

1. Spray the attackers
2. Attack vital point - fingerstab to the throat/eyes/genitalkick
3 Cut the tendons around the knee - so the BG never chases anyone again.
4. Go home and make love to the prom queen

you might wanna add call the cops instead of point 3.