Waffle House does not allow lawfull CCW.
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Len_in_Phoenix
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Very interesting........my kids and I had breakfast at a Waffle House in Amarillo last Sunday. I specifically looked for 30.06 or 51% signs everywhere I went and did not see anything at the WH to indicate that firearms were not welcome.
It's really too bad.......WH is the only place that will burn my omelets the way I like them without my having to send it back 3 times.
Len in PHoenix
It's really too bad.......WH is the only place that will burn my omelets the way I like them without my having to send it back 3 times.
Len in PHoenix
S_O_Laban
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No signs of any kind reguarding wepons, at the Oak Grove, Mo Waffle house. I was there just yesterday morning and made it a point to check this out.
Close to where I work ( Kansas Ave and I635 in Kansas City, Kansas) , there is a Waffle house that 's been the victim of armed robbery in the early morining hours, twice , in the last six months. I have eaten at this Waffle house but at the time wasn't looking for signs, because KS doesn't think Citizens can be trusted to defend themselves.
Close to where I work ( Kansas Ave and I635 in Kansas City, Kansas) , there is a Waffle house that 's been the victim of armed robbery in the early morining hours, twice , in the last six months. I have eaten at this Waffle house but at the time wasn't looking for signs, because KS doesn't think Citizens can be trusted to defend themselves.
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In AR the business must have the proper signage. The two WH's I checked on do not have any signage.
Nonetheless , a letter will be sent to WH Corporate Office. Granted - some jurisdictions don't allow folks the right to CCW. This is a matter of principle IMO.
Where is bogie ?
I sent letters and supported his efforts in his state. Why? bogie typed it better than I ....the bottom line if WE don't keep Corp heads and such educated and informed with documentation they will fall prey to the Hollywood/ Political/ Media "mis-infromation".
Now one may not have a WH . Principle: if we don't educate "properly" these Corporations ,Who is?
Principle: We can now use Applebee' s as reference and cite, for instance - Would it not be nice to add WH to this list? Would it be nice to have the Corporations on our side to get rid of leigislative roadblocks?
Last I heard these United States are a Republic. I am one that makes up this Republic.
I may not have bogie's grocery story chain here in my state - don't mean bogie should not be allowed to carry in that grocery store where he resides.
Nonetheless , a letter will be sent to WH Corporate Office. Granted - some jurisdictions don't allow folks the right to CCW. This is a matter of principle IMO.
Where is bogie ?
I sent letters and supported his efforts in his state. Why? bogie typed it better than I ....the bottom line if WE don't keep Corp heads and such educated and informed with documentation they will fall prey to the Hollywood/ Political/ Media "mis-infromation".
Now one may not have a WH . Principle: if we don't educate "properly" these Corporations ,Who is?
Principle: We can now use Applebee' s as reference and cite, for instance - Would it not be nice to add WH to this list? Would it be nice to have the Corporations on our side to get rid of leigislative roadblocks?
Last I heard these United States are a Republic. I am one that makes up this Republic.
I may not have bogie's grocery story chain here in my state - don't mean bogie should not be allowed to carry in that grocery store where he resides.
ClonaKilty
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I agree, and of course it is WH's right to make whatever policy they want. But I think you'll agree that it is our right to communicate w/ WH and demonstrate the folly of such a policy.
What has worked in the past to eliminate such policies has been calm, polite letters to both the corporate brass and local restaurant managers. There is a great .doc floating around here that lays out "what do you know about your customers?" for such managers, showing how CCWers are the "certified good guys."
And, a very effective technique is to keep receipts from other restaurants you eat at, when you could have gone to WH. Photocopy and fax them to WH corp. and local managers -- with a POLITE cover letter explaining why you chose to dine where CCW is allowed. (idea courtesy of T. Gresham)
Youd think a resturaunt that is open 24 hours a day 7 days a week and more often than not employs young females would welcome law abiding people who carry protection.
Sadly it will probably take someone ignoring the rule and saving someones life to make them reconsider.
Sadly it will probably take someone ignoring the rule and saving someones life to make them reconsider.
outfieldjack
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Family of murder victim sues Waffle House
Link here....
(Greenville-AP, July 25, 2002) - The family of a man who was shot and killed while eating inside a Waffle House in 1999 has filed a wrongful death suit against the restaurant. The lawsuit says the restaurant failed to provide security.
In a statement, Waffle House called the shooting tragic and random and says the company does everything it can to insure customer safety. Authorities say 33-year-old Kent Robinson died after he was shot in the head by a bullet that shattered a window at the Waffle House.
Anthony Johnson was initially charged with murder in connection with the shooting, but prosecutors say those charges will be dropped because they don't have a key witness.
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We actually had another murder in the parking lot at a Awful Waffle here in Columbia about three weeks ago....
Link here....
(Greenville-AP, July 25, 2002) - The family of a man who was shot and killed while eating inside a Waffle House in 1999 has filed a wrongful death suit against the restaurant. The lawsuit says the restaurant failed to provide security.
In a statement, Waffle House called the shooting tragic and random and says the company does everything it can to insure customer safety. Authorities say 33-year-old Kent Robinson died after he was shot in the head by a bullet that shattered a window at the Waffle House.
Anthony Johnson was initially charged with murder in connection with the shooting, but prosecutors say those charges will be dropped because they don't have a key witness.
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We actually had another murder in the parking lot at a Awful Waffle here in Columbia about three weeks ago....
twoblink
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Why the waiters should all pack.. It keeps the problems to a minimum, and the tips high.
TallPine
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So .....
what would happen if a lawful CCW holder ignored the signs, and then had to use their weapon to save their own or someone else's life ...?
(assuming the "No Weapons" sign is just store policy and not legally binding on the CCW holder)
what would happen if a lawful CCW holder ignored the signs, and then had to use their weapon to save their own or someone else's life ...?
(assuming the "No Weapons" sign is just store policy and not legally binding on the CCW holder)
45crittergitter
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None of the ones I've been to in MS or Memphis have a sign.
bogie
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Howdy, campers...
Activism 101:
1. Don't give the SOBs one thin dime. Whether their sign is "legal" or not. The intention is there.
2. And this is more important than #1... LET THEM KNOW WHY. Talk to the manager, and talk to corporate headquarters.
Be polite and non threatening, but be firm. Tell them that you are both offended _and_ endangered by their actions. Emphasize that their signs affect ONLY those folks who choose to be affected by them - which will be people who are not criminals. Criminals will look at the signs as signs of opportunity.
3. Next time you go shooting, whatever, with a group of like-minded friends, use this as an opportunity. Walk up to the door, look at the sign, send one person in to speak to the manager, and then the group turns around and goes away. This only works once per group.
If _one_ company puts up the signs, and nothing happens, sooner or later _other_ companies think that they should put 'em up.
Activism 101:
1. Don't give the SOBs one thin dime. Whether their sign is "legal" or not. The intention is there.
2. And this is more important than #1... LET THEM KNOW WHY. Talk to the manager, and talk to corporate headquarters.
Be polite and non threatening, but be firm. Tell them that you are both offended _and_ endangered by their actions. Emphasize that their signs affect ONLY those folks who choose to be affected by them - which will be people who are not criminals. Criminals will look at the signs as signs of opportunity.
3. Next time you go shooting, whatever, with a group of like-minded friends, use this as an opportunity. Walk up to the door, look at the sign, send one person in to speak to the manager, and then the group turns around and goes away. This only works once per group.
If _one_ company puts up the signs, and nothing happens, sooner or later _other_ companies think that they should put 'em up.
Med 10
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Hey folks. I'm glad to see so many post regarding this issue as well as the varying opinions and stances regarding the WH policy against CCW in their stores. I for one am a little concerned about some of our fellow CCW holders attempt to justify or downplay this policy. Statements like just carry anyway, concealed means concealed, its OK to eat there as long as it is not posted, its thier right, etc, are all missing the point. The point is very simple. WH corporate policy is blatantly clear: NO CCW IN THIER STORES EXCEPT LEO. PERIOD. Numerous folks have confirmed this.
There is absolutely no reason or justification for you to give them youre buisness or cash if you truly believe in the second amendment and the godgiven right to defend yourself and loved ones. Furthermore, corporate has promised to get back to folks and have not so far. This tells me that they trully do not care for the customer. I have been spreading the word at work and to people I engage in conversation. We have to stick together on this.
There is absolutely no reason or justification for you to give them youre buisness or cash if you truly believe in the second amendment and the godgiven right to defend yourself and loved ones. Furthermore, corporate has promised to get back to folks and have not so far. This tells me that they trully do not care for the customer. I have been spreading the word at work and to people I engage in conversation. We have to stick together on this.
Zach S
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I never knew about the policy. I've been to WH's all over the southeast, and I dont recall seeing a sign (thats not to say I havent noticed one that was there when I was half asleep, the best time to eat there since you dont realize how bad it is). I used to eat there a lot when I sold leather goods and helmets at bikeshows, about four years ago. Dont think I've ate there since. A boycott on my part would be easy
wprebeck
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You know, med 10 (or is it emsdude or emsguy or whatever you call yourself over there at GT), I'd love to see the first sign at a WH that doesn't allow guns in there.
For those of you who aren't at the aforementioned forum and don't know, I work an off-duty job at the Waffle House every week. I'm going in tonight, and will do me very best to take a pic and post it at a later time (gotta be at workfrom 1500-2300, then WH from 0000 to 0600, need to sleep sometime). This pic will be of the WH "rules" that are stickered to the front door of every frickin WH in this area.
On this list of rules, there is NO prohibition of carrying weapons, to my knowledge. None whatsoever. Now, each WH is individualy owned/operated, and the group that owns the stores I work for is called "Freedom Waffles". They (Freedom Waffles) own ALL the WH's in the Louisville area, including the "Waffle & Steak" across the river in Indiana. At no time have I been told to not allow people in when they are carrying. Matter of fact, just got a new list of rules to enforce last week, and that wasn't among them.....Fire code violations (too many people inside, chairs blocking aisles, etc) was part of it, but nothing about banning guns.
I will say that the Cane Run (those of you who live here know where it's at) store DOES have one of those "No guns" signs; the type with the gun covered by a red circle and slash thru the gun. I'm mainly at the Bishop lane store (Newburg), and there's no such sign there. You'd think if it was "corporate policy" that we'd all have it up, or at the least, it'd be on the store rules sheet, wouldn't you?
In any case, the guys I work with couldn't much care if you're carrying legally. We're more concerned with maintaining the peace and (relative) quiet when the bar rush hits us at 4 am. If you appear to be carrying, and also appear to be a gang-banging thug, then we'll have a problem. BTW, these stores are in thug-infested areas. If you appear to be a decent human being, then we have no issue with you at all. Just be sure and hit the right person when the BG tries to rob us, OK?
For those of you who aren't at the aforementioned forum and don't know, I work an off-duty job at the Waffle House every week. I'm going in tonight, and will do me very best to take a pic and post it at a later time (gotta be at workfrom 1500-2300, then WH from 0000 to 0600, need to sleep sometime). This pic will be of the WH "rules" that are stickered to the front door of every frickin WH in this area.
On this list of rules, there is NO prohibition of carrying weapons, to my knowledge. None whatsoever. Now, each WH is individualy owned/operated, and the group that owns the stores I work for is called "Freedom Waffles". They (Freedom Waffles) own ALL the WH's in the Louisville area, including the "Waffle & Steak" across the river in Indiana. At no time have I been told to not allow people in when they are carrying. Matter of fact, just got a new list of rules to enforce last week, and that wasn't among them.....Fire code violations (too many people inside, chairs blocking aisles, etc) was part of it, but nothing about banning guns.
I will say that the Cane Run (those of you who live here know where it's at) store DOES have one of those "No guns" signs; the type with the gun covered by a red circle and slash thru the gun. I'm mainly at the Bishop lane store (Newburg), and there's no such sign there. You'd think if it was "corporate policy" that we'd all have it up, or at the least, it'd be on the store rules sheet, wouldn't you?
In any case, the guys I work with couldn't much care if you're carrying legally. We're more concerned with maintaining the peace and (relative) quiet when the bar rush hits us at 4 am. If you appear to be carrying, and also appear to be a gang-banging thug, then we'll have a problem. BTW, these stores are in thug-infested areas. If you appear to be a decent human being, then we have no issue with you at all. Just be sure and hit the right person when the BG tries to rob us, OK?
Med 10
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I have just one question for you wprebeck, have you called WH corporate to confirm the policy of no CCW in their stores?
Look, I know how much you guys make working off duty, and I can understand how you would defend this company that is probably paying you big bucks to work an extra job as a security gaurd, { this is the reason I almost became a cop instead of a Firefighter} but I stand by my statement that it is WH CORPORATE POLICY that forbids CCW in their store other than LEO.
But then again this policy doesnt affect you so it probably doesnt bother you.
Look, I know how much you guys make working off duty, and I can understand how you would defend this company that is probably paying you big bucks to work an extra job as a security gaurd, { this is the reason I almost became a cop instead of a Firefighter} but I stand by my statement that it is WH CORPORATE POLICY that forbids CCW in their store other than LEO.
But then again this policy doesnt affect you so it probably doesnt bother you.
1911Tuner
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Waffle House
If'n it's concealed...how they gonna know?
Wayne D said:
We stopped at the one off of Rt. 52, just a little bit north of Winston-Salem, NC and they had a sign up. That's the only one I've been in recently.
Which one? Hanes Mill Road or King-Tobaccoville? Hanes Mill Road is
about 6 miles from me....King is about 2.
Sign or no sign...I'd be willin' to bet that if there were 10 people in the place, there were at least five Roscoes, not countin' the scattergun behind
the counter.
If'n it's concealed...how they gonna know?
Wayne D said:
We stopped at the one off of Rt. 52, just a little bit north of Winston-Salem, NC and they had a sign up. That's the only one I've been in recently.
Which one? Hanes Mill Road or King-Tobaccoville? Hanes Mill Road is
about 6 miles from me....King is about 2.
Sign or no sign...I'd be willin' to bet that if there were 10 people in the place, there were at least five Roscoes, not countin' the scattergun behind
the counter.
wprebeck
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Med 10,
I have no interest in defending any type of Waffle House policy. Just because I am paid well, doesn't mean I'm gonna sit here on the Net, and spout off about how wonderful they are.
As far as corporate policy goes....if it IS corporate policy, then how come there is NOTHING AT ALL on about it on the "House Rules" sign that is prominately displayed on the front door of every single WH in this area? I worked there last night, and made a special point to read it, yet again.
Know what? It's still not there. So, if this IS corporate policy, then coporate needs to get on the ball, and add it to the "House Rules" sign that they provide each franchise. Otherwise, their policy means nothing, does it? If it ain't posted where people can read about it, then it don't mean squat...
Of course, it seems that many here won't bother listening to me, even though I work there about 12 hours a week, and while there, I'm supposed to ENFORCE THE WAFFLE HOUSE POLICIES that concern the security of the store. Guns would certainly fall under that category, wouldn't they? But hey, what do I know? I just work there every week; I'm not as informed as those of you who might frequent the grease palace for a couple of hours a month.....
I have no interest in defending any type of Waffle House policy. Just because I am paid well, doesn't mean I'm gonna sit here on the Net, and spout off about how wonderful they are.
As far as corporate policy goes....if it IS corporate policy, then how come there is NOTHING AT ALL on about it on the "House Rules" sign that is prominately displayed on the front door of every single WH in this area? I worked there last night, and made a special point to read it, yet again.
Know what? It's still not there. So, if this IS corporate policy, then coporate needs to get on the ball, and add it to the "House Rules" sign that they provide each franchise. Otherwise, their policy means nothing, does it? If it ain't posted where people can read about it, then it don't mean squat...
Of course, it seems that many here won't bother listening to me, even though I work there about 12 hours a week, and while there, I'm supposed to ENFORCE THE WAFFLE HOUSE POLICIES that concern the security of the store. Guns would certainly fall under that category, wouldn't they? But hey, what do I know? I just work there every week; I'm not as informed as those of you who might frequent the grease palace for a couple of hours a month.....
Med 10
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Still havent called yet have ya?
wprebeck
Member
Calling WH to ask them about policies I enforce is rather like me caling up my chief, and asking him about a policy at work. If I wanna know, I look it up. Same goes for WH.
I understand you not wanting to give your money to an anti-gun company. My point is simply this: If WH is so adamantly anti-gun, then why is this little fact not posted in the "House Rules" that I've mentioned? No signs, no letters, no posted anything. You'd think that WH would want to ensure that their customers absolutely knew the rules, and that they would post them. After all, every other rabidly anti-gun establishment I've seen has them posted. Why doesn't WH? Rather, why do these LOCAL stores not post it? Could it be a decision of the franchise owner? Hmmm..
I understand you not wanting to give your money to an anti-gun company. My point is simply this: If WH is so adamantly anti-gun, then why is this little fact not posted in the "House Rules" that I've mentioned? No signs, no letters, no posted anything. You'd think that WH would want to ensure that their customers absolutely knew the rules, and that they would post them. After all, every other rabidly anti-gun establishment I've seen has them posted. Why doesn't WH? Rather, why do these LOCAL stores not post it? Could it be a decision of the franchise owner? Hmmm..
Med 10
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Looking it up is an option, however I would like to hear it straight from the horses mouth. I think that it is also important for the people at corporate to know how WE feel about their policy through personal correspondence and e-mail, snail mail.
I am very surprised that a company as large as WH can be so inconsistent on such an important issue. As I have said previously, this could cause problems if you have to defend youreslf which is a distinct probability given the shady nature and location/clientel of a lot of the stores.
wpreBeck I have just one question for you. if ant CCW policy was uniformly enforced and properly posted at their locations would you enforce this policy?
I am very surprised that a company as large as WH can be so inconsistent on such an important issue. As I have said previously, this could cause problems if you have to defend youreslf which is a distinct probability given the shady nature and location/clientel of a lot of the stores.
wpreBeck I have just one question for you. if ant CCW policy was uniformly enforced and properly posted at their locations would you enforce this policy?
1911Tuner
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Maybe...just maybe...it's left up to the individual managers of
the restaurants? The WH on Hanes Mill Road has a sign. The one just a few miles up the road in King doesn't. Hanes Mill Road location is close to the cesspool that W-S is fast becoming, and is actually within the newly
annexed city limits. Late night there draws some interesting critters,
and I'm not comfortable there past midnight. The one in King draws
mainly country folk and farmers...Rarely any trouble there, and when it comes, it's usually a fistfight around back between a couple of drunk
cowboys who've discovered that they have the same gal in common.
When the fight is over, the loser buys breakfast, and they sit at the same table while they decide what to do about the lyin, two-timin' gal.
Maybe...just maybe...it's left up to the individual managers of
the restaurants? The WH on Hanes Mill Road has a sign. The one just a few miles up the road in King doesn't. Hanes Mill Road location is close to the cesspool that W-S is fast becoming, and is actually within the newly
annexed city limits. Late night there draws some interesting critters,
and I'm not comfortable there past midnight. The one in King draws
mainly country folk and farmers...Rarely any trouble there, and when it comes, it's usually a fistfight around back between a couple of drunk
cowboys who've discovered that they have the same gal in common.
When the fight is over, the loser buys breakfast, and they sit at the same table while they decide what to do about the lyin, two-timin' gal.
wprebeck
Member
Med 10,
Ah...the everpresent (at least on THR) "Are you a JBT LEO" question....
Here's my answer, and I'm sure you'll love it:
It depends.
Depends on what, you might ask..After all, isn't the 2nd Amendment the supreme law concerning the carrying of guns? If someone is carrying, why should I (a JBT, after all) question them about their God-given right to self-defense?
Well, you see, I don't work at these WH's becase they're in a nice area of town. Those particular stores have no trouble, and therefore, no need of security. The stores I work at are in the seedier parts of town, and have a less-than-desirable type of customer coming in.
For example, last week, two different people felt that the parking lot (in front of everyone was an appropriate place to urinate in). Now, that's kinda nasty, you might say, but what's that got to do with CCW? Well, IMO, if the guy's too drink or too stupid to relieve himself in a proper manner, then he's got no right to be carrying a firearm.
Those are the kinds of people that I would NOT allow to carry a gun into WH, permit or not. If the guy was carrying while intoxicated, he'd be arrested, plain and simple (CCW at the least, WE maybe). Basically, I'm talking about the kind of person who has NO business carrying a gun, 2nd amendment aside. Thugs should not have guns. And, for the most part, thugs are who I deal with.
If a normal, upstanding citizen who has a CCW permit came in, and I made him, I wouldn't say anything. Done that a number of times. Matter of fact, ran into some people from Ohio, and got into a discussion with them about guns. Found out they had permits, and asked them why they weren't carrying. They told me they thought they couldn't, being from a different state, and my partner and I enlightened them with the fact that KY honors ANY permit from ANY state. Told them next time, they should be carrying when they come thru.
Now, if a normal, upstanding citizen who DID NOT have a permit came in, and I made him, I first have a talk with him about how easy it is to get a permit here. Then I'd ask him to leave it in the car, since he's technically not legal. If given any crap about it, I'd arrest him, confiscate the weapon, etc. etc. Call me a JBT, flame away, etc, but don't overlook the fact that I said I'd give him a chance to put it away first. After all, it's very EASY to get a permit here (and I'm OK with that, too). There's no excuse for NOT getting one in this state. Basically, if you're legal to buy a gun, you're legal to CCW here. We're "shall-issue", and it's simple to do.
Now, keep in mind that if I "made" anyone actually carrying, there'd have to be another reason involved in order for me to actually bring up the whole "Do you have a permit?" thing. Lacking an additional reason (carrying in a place against the law, thug-type behavior, etc), I would not be concerned with him carrying. Chances are, if someone is carrying illegally, then they're not gonna come in when they see two uniformed officers anyway.
Ah...the everpresent (at least on THR) "Are you a JBT LEO" question....
Here's my answer, and I'm sure you'll love it:
It depends.
Depends on what, you might ask..After all, isn't the 2nd Amendment the supreme law concerning the carrying of guns? If someone is carrying, why should I (a JBT, after all) question them about their God-given right to self-defense?
Well, you see, I don't work at these WH's becase they're in a nice area of town. Those particular stores have no trouble, and therefore, no need of security. The stores I work at are in the seedier parts of town, and have a less-than-desirable type of customer coming in.
For example, last week, two different people felt that the parking lot (in front of everyone was an appropriate place to urinate in). Now, that's kinda nasty, you might say, but what's that got to do with CCW? Well, IMO, if the guy's too drink or too stupid to relieve himself in a proper manner, then he's got no right to be carrying a firearm.
Those are the kinds of people that I would NOT allow to carry a gun into WH, permit or not. If the guy was carrying while intoxicated, he'd be arrested, plain and simple (CCW at the least, WE maybe). Basically, I'm talking about the kind of person who has NO business carrying a gun, 2nd amendment aside. Thugs should not have guns. And, for the most part, thugs are who I deal with.
If a normal, upstanding citizen who has a CCW permit came in, and I made him, I wouldn't say anything. Done that a number of times. Matter of fact, ran into some people from Ohio, and got into a discussion with them about guns. Found out they had permits, and asked them why they weren't carrying. They told me they thought they couldn't, being from a different state, and my partner and I enlightened them with the fact that KY honors ANY permit from ANY state. Told them next time, they should be carrying when they come thru.
Now, if a normal, upstanding citizen who DID NOT have a permit came in, and I made him, I first have a talk with him about how easy it is to get a permit here. Then I'd ask him to leave it in the car, since he's technically not legal. If given any crap about it, I'd arrest him, confiscate the weapon, etc. etc. Call me a JBT, flame away, etc, but don't overlook the fact that I said I'd give him a chance to put it away first. After all, it's very EASY to get a permit here (and I'm OK with that, too). There's no excuse for NOT getting one in this state. Basically, if you're legal to buy a gun, you're legal to CCW here. We're "shall-issue", and it's simple to do.
Now, keep in mind that if I "made" anyone actually carrying, there'd have to be another reason involved in order for me to actually bring up the whole "Do you have a permit?" thing. Lacking an additional reason (carrying in a place against the law, thug-type behavior, etc), I would not be concerned with him carrying. Chances are, if someone is carrying illegally, then they're not gonna come in when they see two uniformed officers anyway.
Well, if it's not a corporate policy, I do wonder where my local branch got the sign. I've been to a few WH franchises. They all have these little framed signs behind the counter with their policies. The "no guns" on in my local one is in one of those frames and looked to me to be the same typeface and size, so I assumed they got them from their headquarters. Maybe not. I don't know. I go to other WHs that don't have the sign, just not this particular civil rights offender.
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