WisBorn
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Good luck, hope you score on of these deals
Walmart rifle closeouts
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illinoisburt
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The Axis is a much better gun than the 770. It's decent enough as a cheap plastic stocked gun out of the box. Smooth bolt, inexpensive trigger kits, tons of aftermarket products, easy and cheap to upgrade without requiring a smith.
After a few years of real world experience with 770s I can unequivocally say they are not at all on the same level as an Axis. However that doesn't mean it's a complete waste of money.
The bad: Flexible heavy plastic stock with molded-in sling attachments which will break if you take a good tumble with it slung. The bolt binds when cycling with any speed. Bolt stop is plastic and easily broken by someone who is mad at the poopy action and trying to smash it back-forth in desparate hope of being smoother, leading to further unhappiness. It's a design flaw and cannot be fixed or mitigated. So slow and steady is the name of the game unless you like being mad.
Factory scope is an unbranded $15 bushnell with short eye relief, poor optical clarity, and it's factory mounted fairly far back over the stock. I've seen more people scope-eyed with it than any other gund.
It's a throw-away pressed-in-barrel design with no aftermarket support. Take it and use as-is with the exception of a new scope.
The meh: Long action with small port regardless of chambering (not unlike the Axis). Detachable magazine is not great and spares are expensive. Chances are good the factory base rail is not torqued down so zero is going to wander unless addressed. The trigger is not adjustable and made from sintered material so it should not be tinkered with. However it is servicable, especially so for its target market of newbie hunters.
The good: I have seen a bunch of them print 1-1/2 inch groups with factory ammo after the scope was removed, bases retorqued with locktite, and sighted in on a sled or bags. With a good optic and good ammo many are solid MOA or better shooters.
More importantly, the gun filled a niche as an inexpensive hunting rifle in many popular calibers which allows inexperienced or lowered income people to get in the field without a huge investment of cash.
As it comes from the box I'd hazzard most are bore sighted well enough to hit the boiler room at 50 yards as-is. The average neophyte who bought a cheap gun and box of ammo a couple days before opening weekend problably would happy with it even if people later looked down their noses while helping him drag a deer or elk from the field.
That said, when $250 gets someone a rifle with optic and a box of hunting ammo I cannot imagine people realistically think it's going to be anything near perfect. An if it's on sale for half or less than that, I wouldn't be terribly disappointed.
I was going to say the same thing, the 770 while not a bad gun, it is an okay hunting rifle but it is not at all the same as an Axis. The Axis achieves a low price by using an older version of Savage's barrel nut retention and a universal receiver and a non-Accustock plastic stock. But the materials and finish are equal to other rifles in the Savage lineup and I have several of both to compare. Whereas the 770 achieves a low price via cheap materials and finish that is noticeably below their lowest 700 models. I would buy a 770 if I was still a poor college student or needed a gun I would not have to worry over or could not afford anything other and be proud of it. The Axis (II), Ruger American and Mossberg Patriot are more nearly equal to one another, the 770 is a cut below, just my thought.
Poper
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This I am very happy to hear. Really! Even though I have a hard time understanding it.
You can have my share of the 770's with many thanks.
The examples of Remington 770's I saw and dealt with should be an embarrassment to any brand name company and to the industry as a whole. They were really that poorly executed. One of them came out of the box, never fired, with rust in the bore. The least that should have been done before it was boxed up was had an oily patch run down the barrel! (JMHO)
Space Ghost
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I don't know if it's all that bad, but I'll Admit that I was caught up in the "bran new rifle for $54" thing. I really wanted one of those ADLs... even if just for the action.
I've had an Axis before. It's my son's now. My take is that the Axis has the better heart... bolt, action, barrel, but I like the stock, and magazine better on the 770. I will say that the trigger doesn't feel all that bad. A bit heavy of course, but not a great deal of creep. Overall the 770 is a crap throw away gun, (Axis is better) and I'd never buy it at regular price, (or even on sale) but for the close out $54 price, I'm not disappointed in my purchase. I look at it as an extra, a back up. Last resort, a hand out for a friend or family member for SHTF... Thankfully I have have a Vortex scope around here somewhere. I wouldn't put that chinese garbage that came on it, with a BB gun...
CptnAwesome
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Have the sales reap in the back for it. I went looking for a 308 that was showing on brickseek and sales guy told me they didn't have it,,, there were no more clearance rifles in the back period. Went back a couple days later and asked a different sales rep and he came back with it. It had a "waiting for repair" tag on it so he couldn't sell it to me... But it was there
Space Ghost
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I was told several times about ones that were supposed to be in stock, but were not there, that they were waiting for background checks to go through...
I know the system is supposed to be backed up, but man, how long does it take? I've never has one delayed. They always go through while the guy is on the phone with the feds... And just how does a new rifle get a "repair" tag when it hasn't even been sold yet? Can't help but think that some of these people are holding them for their buddies... However, I was glad about the one I got. It may be the 770, the crappiest one out there, but it's still a bran new rifle for $54. Their system was down, or so they said. They took my number to give me a call. Thought I'd never hear back, but I got a call in less than 24 hrs...
I know the system is supposed to be backed up, but man, how long does it take? I've never has one delayed. They always go through while the guy is on the phone with the feds... And just how does a new rifle get a "repair" tag when it hasn't even been sold yet? Can't help but think that some of these people are holding them for their buddies... However, I was glad about the one I got. It may be the 770, the crappiest one out there, but it's still a bran new rifle for $54. Their system was down, or so they said. They took my number to give me a call. Thought I'd never hear back, but I got a call in less than 24 hrs...
Grayrock
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" Space Ghost: And just how does a new rifle get a "repair" tag when it hasn't even been sold yet? Can't help but think that some of these people are holding them for their buddies..." I found a Rem 700 I was interested in and the sales rep showed it was in stock, but was unsellable because it was missing the bolt. They had a different rifle that had a bolt that was in 2 pieces. I was thinking the same thing... when the buying frenzy/clearance event is over some schlub will miraculously "find" the bolt, then buy it for $25. It's too bad I have such a pessimistic outlook.
Robbins290
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Grayrock, i heard a guy friday say “i wished i knew there was one leftz, i would have sold it for 3 times the price” his exact words.
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Space Ghost
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Just found out that there is also a 700 ADL in .270, with a (no doubt cheap chinese) scope at a store about an hrs drive from me. Called and spoke with a guy. He confirmed it's there, and NOT on hold. Manager that can sell them will be in there in about 2 hrs, so I'm gonna give it s shot, and go for a Sunday drive. $99 for a Remington 700... Now the .270 is a long action cartridge, and a bit on the vicious side... (at least for me) but hey, for $99 bucks, as long as it's still there, it will have been worth the drive.
Poper
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Not at all! The .270 Winchester is a pussycat. Especially with 130 gr. & lighter bullets. The 130 grain bullets and up are for big game and the lighter ones for varmint stuff. And the .270 is much more accurate than its reputation, too. You wont regret it. If you do regret it, let me know. I'll double your money for you.
I like the .270 very much.
BigBL87
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Went in to the local Wally World...
The Remington 700 is on hold for someone with a pending background check, but the Savage Axis is available. However, they need 2 people w/ a FOID (Illinois Firearm Owner's ID) to do a transaction and the manager I was talking to was the only FOID holder in the building. I asked about holding it, and she said I'd have to be there first thing in the morning. I work 7-3, so can't do that. I asked her if the right people would be available if I came in at 3pm after work, she said there would be. She also said she doesn't plan on digging it out of the stock room so even though it isn't technically held I should be good til I can come by.
She did mention that all of their background checks lately have been delayed, and they won't sell without a proceed so we'll see how that turns out.
The Remington 700 is on hold for someone with a pending background check, but the Savage Axis is available. However, they need 2 people w/ a FOID (Illinois Firearm Owner's ID) to do a transaction and the manager I was talking to was the only FOID holder in the building. I asked about holding it, and she said I'd have to be there first thing in the morning. I work 7-3, so can't do that. I asked her if the right people would be available if I came in at 3pm after work, she said there would be. She also said she doesn't plan on digging it out of the stock room so even though it isn't technically held I should be good til I can come by.
She did mention that all of their background checks lately have been delayed, and they won't sell without a proceed so we'll see how that turns out.
BigBL87
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I will add, I have a sinking feeling that the rifle will A) be sold out from under me or B) my background check will be delayed and I'll never actually get the rifle because of it. Hoping I'm wrong!
Grayrock
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Hope it works out for you.
Poper
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Y'all need to get some new rulers in Illinois!
Turn that place into a free state like AZ!
(Good luck!
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BigBL87
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Y'all need to get some new rulers in Illinois!
Turn that place into a free state like AZ!
You're tellin' me... People just keep voting for them, I don't get it.
My local WalMart has Savage Axis XP and Remington 700 ADL in display again, 2 Axis XP and 1 Rem, all wear "Clearance" Tags. The 2 Axis, in wood stock, were $229 I think and the Rem 700 w/scope is 249. I asked the clerk to show me the Rem, asked him to scan the price again and said there should be a clearance price drop, last week Brickseek showed $79. Nope, system shows $249 and the clerk said they just had them came in a week ago, they go fast.
I am officially declaring this is becoming an addiction for me. Here ya go, number 4, a .243 Winchester Remington 700 ADL for $99. Scored it this morning .
Yesterday when I got up I checked the few rifles I had been watching, including this one and it was still $389. I went and did my workout at the Y and came home and was feeling tired so took a nape for 30 minutes before starting yard work and checked the rifles again and this one was then at $99! So I drive 22 miles to the store only to be told, yes it is here, no you cannot buy it today because nobody is here to sell it. Okay, when? I was told be at the store at 7 AM. So at 7AM I was at the counter, the lady walks up, scans my code and says she will be right back and comes back with my new $99 Remington 700! I think I am going to quit now. Up until a few weeks ago I only had three (CF) bolt guns, being more of a lever gun fellow, but now I have seven, is that enough? Even the Kimber I got was reduced at Gander! Oh, and the air rifle marked half off at Gander and before that three Benjamin 392 for $49. But there is this one I am still -------.
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Yesterday when I got up I checked the few rifles I had been watching, including this one and it was still $389. I went and did my workout at the Y and came home and was feeling tired so took a nape for 30 minutes before starting yard work and checked the rifles again and this one was then at $99! So I drive 22 miles to the store only to be told, yes it is here, no you cannot buy it today because nobody is here to sell it. Okay, when? I was told be at the store at 7 AM. So at 7AM I was at the counter, the lady walks up, scans my code and says she will be right back and comes back with my new $99 Remington 700! I think I am going to quit now. Up until a few weeks ago I only had three (CF) bolt guns, being more of a lever gun fellow, but now I have seven, is that enough? Even the Kimber I got was reduced at Gander! Oh, and the air rifle marked half off at Gander and before that three Benjamin 392 for $49. But there is this one I am still -------.
godale
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I am in Youngstown area in Ohio
Our Walmart’s have nothing
Our Walmart’s have nothing
Space Ghost
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Well, I didn't have much luck yesterday... Two young managers were very nice and patient with me. They looked for the elusive 700 for almost 20 minutes, then started in on the radio looking for Sam, the guy they thought I had spoken to on the phone...
After a bit some other dude, Dan, comes walking buy being a smart butt... "What's going on here? This one of them how many walmart employees does it take to screw in a light bulb deals?" After she explained what was going on, turns out it was he that I spoke with on the phone... and he who claimed to have checked on the gun... He did not, he only looked on the computer because he didn't have the keys to the back room, and didn't want to bother anyone. She sent him away.
Sure enough it was waiting on a background check... She said most have been coming back within 3 to 5 business days, but a couple have taken upwards of 25 days...
*** over? 25 days on a background check? This is why these unconstitutional laws are so screwed up. I don't see me driving to anymore walmarts looking for these mythical deals, even though I already got one. With their system keeping guns listed as available, when they clearly are NOT... and employees too incompetent to check the damn books.
After a bit some other dude, Dan, comes walking buy being a smart butt... "What's going on here? This one of them how many walmart employees does it take to screw in a light bulb deals?" After she explained what was going on, turns out it was he that I spoke with on the phone... and he who claimed to have checked on the gun... He did not, he only looked on the computer because he didn't have the keys to the back room, and didn't want to bother anyone. She sent him away.
Sure enough it was waiting on a background check... She said most have been coming back within 3 to 5 business days, but a couple have taken upwards of 25 days...
*** over? 25 days on a background check? This is why these unconstitutional laws are so screwed up. I don't see me driving to anymore walmarts looking for these mythical deals, even though I already got one. With their system keeping guns listed as available, when they clearly are NOT... and employees too incompetent to check the damn books.
Well the $249 Rem is gone this morning!
The guns show available until the purchase is consummated. Being on hold for a background check, it will still show available, that is unfortunate, ran into that several times. It is not the fault of Walmart that the background checks run slow, probably due to the panDEMick. The Walmart I bought number 4 from today used my CCL . Otherwise it would have gone on hold for me and I would have been waiting like last time, background checks for me NEVER clear right away unless the store accepts my CCL. I cannot swear to it but as I was departing, being walked out by the manager, two "professionals" (that being resellers) were headed in the sporting goods direction with a determined walk and when they saw me being walked out, they broke their walk and looked. Yep, I beat them, pretty sure. I am blessed with over a dozen small town Walmarts within a 30 minute drive or less and absolutely no traffic. One of the perks of living in flyover country, that and being conveniently located 1,000 miles from all the fun places! Oh, we also have lots of deer .
. Otherwise it would have gone on hold for me and I would have been waiting like last time, background checks for me NEVER clear right away unless the store accepts my CCL. I cannot swear to it but as I was departing, being walked out by the manager, two "professionals" (that being resellers) were headed in the sporting goods direction with a determined walk and when they saw me being walked out, they broke their walk and looked. Yep, I beat them, pretty sure. I am blessed with over a dozen small town Walmarts within a 30 minute drive or less and absolutely no traffic. One of the perks of living in flyover country, that and being conveniently located 1,000 miles from all the fun places! Oh, we also have lots of deer .
entropy
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Even though dealers may go ahead with a sale after 3 days, they are not required to-and Walmart does not go ahead with a sale until they get a proceed. There is no way in the inventory system to show an item as 'on hold' because it is against Walmart policy to place items on hold, as I explained previously. Holding a gun for a NICS delay is the only possible situation where this even happens, so the inventory system has no provision for it. (I was Inventory Management for 3 years) As for the associates "too incompetent to check the books" , only certain people have keys for the gun lockers and are authorized to open them, but everybody can look up a sku on their palmie. So "Dan" looked it up on the palmie when you called, but he had no way to physically verify the gun was available for sale. (As you already know, finding a keyholder can be a challenge.) So now we all know why a gun might show up on brickseek, but is not available for sale. Either it is waiting for a NICS check, or the person checking for you has no way to physically verify whether it is. I know I'd say it wasn't available either if I couldn't physically verify it. .
As for "someone available to sell a gun"- EVERY Salaried Mgr. is 'able' to complete a gun sale. WILLING-that's another matter. I'd be politely firm on insisting an Assistant or Store Mgr. help me.
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