i know AKs can do 2 MOA just fine, so can PTRs, the only one of the three in question is the FAL and ive already said that would break the budget
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I have shot Wolf from my G3 clone, and you will lose 2MOA at a minimum. For a guy that's concerned about accuracy, I'm surprised that you'd consider such inaccurate blasting ammo.
Not really. They are pretty equal in both areas. My FAL broke a firing pin, who knows when and kept going like nothing had happened. For maybe years. It was not until the two pieces had worn down enough to start causing light primer strike that I even noticed.
i actually meant to say 2MOA, so chill out dude
the potential for the accuracy is there, but in practice i agree, the standard HKs and clones dont seem to do all that much better than average with other 308 rifles, ive had absolutely no reliability issues with the PTR i had though and it shot around 2MOA with factory ammo as well, i guess when you have a bolt that weighs as much as an HK BCG does (around 1.25lbs) with no gas system, theres not a lot that can stop them from functioning
OK - show me a AK pattern rifle that sells for less than $1000, dude, and can be consistently and reliably demonstrated to be 2MOA or better. I've tried it with milled Chinese and ComBloc units, as well as Russian units with no success. Maybe a Valmet could get you close, but you'll not touch that for your stated budget.
check out buds guns, you can find PTRs for under $100 on there new, and many 5.56 and 5.45 AKs can shoot 2MOA, arsenals and saigas included. including my 5.56 AK made on bulgarian parts, there are even examples of people tuning their AKs with better accuracy using things like match triggers, heavier barrels, etc and getting 1 inch groups on the AK platform in both 223/5.56 and .308 caliber, your belief that AKs are only minute of barn accurate is incredibly misplaced and erroneous, i've found they tend to shoot as well as any other rifle given a similar configuration and the same ammo
Not in an optics-ready configuration, you can't. Oh, and as a tip - CDNN has more PTR models for sale, for less money, than does Buds. If you decide to buy rather than build, I'd recommend CDNN highly.
You evidently cannot read, or you are alternatively attempting to set up a straw man against which you can argue. I did not state the phrase "minute of barn" in any post, nor did I state any 'belief' whatsoever regarding the accuracy of the AK platform. I clearly *did* state my reasons for asserting that the AK platform cannot be had in 2MOA or better form for under $1000 and I stated the examples that I'd used in my search for that unicorn. I still maintain that it cannot, and you have yet to provide any actual real world proof to back up your assertion that you can buy a $1000 or less AK platform that is reliably 2MOA.
Ah, I understand now. The best advice that I can offer is that lack of real world experience is no excuse for holding onto dogmatic positions.
Excellent - have fun with it. It's clearly what you wanted so I hope that it serves you well. I look forward to seeing many posts from you showing sub-2MOA five shot groups from you and your rifle.
Have you? Or are you doing the very thing that you accused me of - speaking of things with which you have no first hand knowledge?
AKs reputation of being inaccurate is a misconception due to a few reasons, for one reason, for the longest time most ammo shot out of them was old surplus, and most AKs have generally been in 7.62x39 which is not a particularly accurate cartridge as it loses velocity quickly, and another source of the misconception is the frequent use of poorly trained militants in poor countries who couldnt hit the broadside of a barn with a laser
