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Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by stevekl, May 21, 2009.

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  1. stevekl

    stevekl Member

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    I honestly thought I could figure this out on my own but I'm having trouble researching this. There's so many S&W models and some of them even look identical to eachother...so that's confusing too.

    So I'll just ask: does anyone happen to know the lightest s&w that chambers either .38/357 or .327?
     
  2. Dimis

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    i cant help alot as im not an end all be all expert but my guess is you have to know your alloys
    i know they have aluminum revolvers but from what i understand the lightest smiths are scandium somewhere in the 13-14oz range unloaded

    if your not set on a smith the Ruger LCR is nice its 13.5oz and +P rated
    mine shoots nicely

    are you looking for hammered hammerless shrouded?
     
  3. stevekl

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    Ohhhh you know what, I forgot about the LCR...

    Darn now I have to think about that.

    I am looking for hammerless, DAO
     
  4. Dimis

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    i love mine
    i dont own a smith to compair too but it does the job just fine for me

    as for light smiths that are hammerless snubs theres the
    340-357magnum-12oz (scandium model)
    640-357magnum-23oz
    649-357magnum-23oz
    40-38+P-21oz
    42-38+P-21.4oz
    438-38+P-15.1oz
    442-38+P-15oz
    638-38+P-15oz
    642-38+P-15oz

    thats all from smiths official site hope that helps

    i didnt see anything lighter than the LCR other than the 340 at 12oz
     
  5. DAdams

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    340pd 12 oz
    M&P 340 13.3
    Both will shoot .357. the 340pd 120gr+ the M&P no .357 limitation.
    The pd is Sc/Ti cylinder, the M&P Sc/Stainless cylinder.

    The M&P has night sites and is an awesome snub all things considered. Put a set of Crimson Trace 405s on it and you have the most versatile snub on the planet. ;) day or night. 38 spl - all grain of .357.

    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=282173
     
  6. orionengnr

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    342 11.8 oz
    Good luck finding one, especially a pre lock.

    Saw one for sale about three years ago for $300. Still kicking myself in the arse for not grabbing it.
     
  7. David E

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    Good luck shooting one with full loads...

    It WILL hurt. Thereafter, you'll only load/shoot .38's.

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  8. JWF III

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    Take these statements with a grain of salt. Recoil is completely subjective.

    I own a 360pd (same as the 340pd but hammered and SA/DA), I shoot full 158 gr. loads quite regularly. Usually a box or two at a time. Granted it does have a little sting to it, but it's nowhere close to what I'd call hurting.

    I have not tried any Buffalo Bore or Double Tap in it yet, my opinion of it may change under those loads. But I know going into trying them, tat it would only be for a try, definently not regular carry ammo.

    With all that being said, it might be worth it to you to rent one for a try. Just to see what it'll be like.

    Wyman
     
  9. stevekl

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    Well I plan for this to be purely for carry so it won't be a range gun. But I understand what I am getting into with lightweight revolvers. I think.
     
  10. Red Rover

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    David E is correct; 357s in a 340 scandium framed revolver WILL HURT. It's not subjective. After 10 rounds and a bloody web between my thumb and index finger, I said "enough". I still carry it, but with 38+Ps and expect it will still hurt when I shoot it.
     
  11. Seven For Sure

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    386PD is 18oz
    386NG is 21oz

    Both seven shot L frames with 2.5" barrels. Higher capacity, more to hang onto, a little longer barrel (1/2") and not quite as abusive with full power 357's. The PD is discontinued but you can find them, I have one and it's super light for it's size. I've carried it IWB and it's lighter than my Kahr P40 that I usually carry.
     
  12. David E

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    Probably.

    I fired Corbon's 125 grain JHP out of one with wooden grips.

    IT HURT.

    Give that a try before you say "it's subjective."

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  13. David E

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    Limiting yourself voluntarily to only 5 shots launched from a platform that's difficult to hit with and then not practicing with it enough to gain adequate skill is not a good game plan.

    Get a gun that you're not afraid to shoot your chosen defense loads in. Practicing with 148 wadcutters, then loading it with Corbon Headknockers is naive.

    The ubiquitous .38 Spl 158 LSWCHP +P is controllable in my 642 and is a decent defense round.
     
  14. Dimis

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    recoil may not be subjective as some would state but pain tolerance is
    dont buy into the IT WILL HURT YOU comments being screamed at you
    if the light weight revolvers hurt so badly then no one would ever own one
    some people can handle shooting them all day others shoot them once and decide its time for a change thats why there are so many choices
     
  15. Stainz

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    The lightest empty weight S&W is the eight-shot .22LR Al frame Al cylinder 317, SKU #160222 & MSRP $766, and 1.87" barrel weighing in at 10.8 oz. Now, to .357Ms - the 340PD #163062 & 360Pd # 163064 - are both Al/Sc frame/Ti cylinder at 11.4 oz and MSRP $1,122. The .38 Special +P 158gr LHPSWC, like Remington's R38S12, is a tried and true stopper from a snubby. If you are going to carry that round, the additional weight of the 642, SKU #163810 & MSRP $600, will be welcomed - and likely not noticed. I know it's nearly half the price of the lighter unit's prices will be noticed. I carry one so-loaded most of the time, the remainder being with it's larger sibling, a 296, both in a Robert Mikas' pocket holster.

    Check out the 642's threads here, it is a well respected piece of personal protection - and S&W's best seller. If you don't like it's silver colored Al frame and SS barrel & cylinder, the 442 is the same price - and black. The small boot grip that comes standard on all of these models isn't comfortable in a troll's hand, much less any human's hand. It does make it a pocketable protector - and is a necessary evil to keep it a 24/7 CCW. Larger and more comfortable grips will likely result in protection you leave home, and that isn't a 'good thing'. The money you saved can be applied towards a good SS plinker. Shoot the pocket protector enough to get - and keep - proficient. Get a dedicated plinker for 'fun' - and possible double duty as a home protector.

    Stainz

    PS The absolute worst recoil in a revolver that I have experienced was from a 340 with the OEM boots and some hot & nasty CorBons. Big whack and nothing to hold on to. My years of shooting a .454 SRH was nothing - neither was a friend's .500 Magnum - by comparison.
     
  16. chieftain

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    I recommend Sticking to you first inclination, a 38Spl and or 357Mag.

    I stole this information from M4Carbine.net site under their Terminal Ballistics board.

    The Data and comments are from Dr. Gary Roberts. The leading researcher in terminal ballistics in America today. Works very closely with many LEO agencies and particularly the FBI. Dr. Roberts is or was US Navy Reserve, and a reserve Police officer in California too. Not all Ivory tower.

    As BUG’s fit in the category of gun type you are looking for. Consider this data before you should get a 380. Not that you should not, but be aware of the limitations of it’s effectiveness.

    For the record I do have a Colt Pocketlite Pony in 380, but carry one of my 3 ‘J’ frames for BUG duty. Two air weights at 15oz in 38Spl and a 940 at 23 oz IIRC, that uses 9mm with moon clips. The 940 revolver is no longer made.

    Data and information for you to ponder and hopefully help you with your decision.

    Make an informed decision.

    Go figure.

    Fred

    Stupid should hurt
     
  17. Glockman17366

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    I am not a fan of .357 Magnum in a light weight snubby, but in a self defense situation it's unlikely you'll fire more then 5 rounds anyway. So, the pain of firing probably won't be a concern.

    That said, I carry .38+P rounds in a light weight .38 snubby. The recoil doesn't bother me a bit. Of course, I only fire one or two cylinders (5-10 rounds) of +P ammo through these guns at any range session. Any other shooting is done with standard velocity .38's. More +P rounds may hurt eventually. I fire few of them due to the cost of +P ammo as well as reducing unnecessary stress on the guns.

    My .38's are:
    Taurus 85 Multi-Alloy which has an aluminum frame and titanium cylinder/barrel shroud. Weight is <14 oz unloaded.
    Taurus 851 in titanium. Weight is about 17 oz.

    Both are carried frequently.

    If you want to go really light, try out a Ruger LCP (< 10 oz unloaded).
     
  18. Glockman17366

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    Not as pocket guns.
    I did try a steel Taurus 85. Even with a good belt, the weight drags your trousers down. To me, that's rather uncomfortable.
    Now, on the hip, both those guns are fine choices!

    As far as not being fun...that's true, IMHO. These light weight revolvers are great self defense tools, but not the best choice for plinking (well, the SP101 can be a fun plinker).
     
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    I have to wonder why people complain about carrying a 25 ounce revolver, but have no issues carrying a wallet, car keys, and cell phone.

    I have carried a stainless Centennial (M640) in a Kramer pocket holster since 1994 with no issues. Yes, it weighs about 10 ounces more than an Airweight, but it is not an issue in my right front pocket. I can and do practice with it with no pain or concern about bullets jumping the crimp. I also have one of the new "classic" M40 Centennials that is also a nice pocket carry. I had a pre-lock M342PD which was going to be an ankle carry gun, and I found it painful to shoot, but my wife, carpal tunnel and all, likes it. It is now her carry gun. Go figure.
     
  20. The Lone Haranguer

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    Fleaweight .357 Magnum revolvers? :uhoh: You can have the one I didn't buy. :p
     
  21. JWF III

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    None of those things (including the gun) are outrageously heavy, in and of itself. But when you put everything together, it'll add up faster than you think.

    Weight around your waist (added weight, not body weight) can have serious ramifications to the health of your back. I am formerly a power lifter having benchpressed over 400 pounds on a number of occassions (14-15 years ago). About 10 years ago I started having back problems from my tool belt (carpenter for a living). I routinely had 25 pound pieces of plywood put me on my knees in pain. I quit wearing the heavy belt, back problems were gone in less than 2 weeks.

    I'll save the ounces where I can. That includes everything that you listed above. Including my .357 that fully loaded weighs in at a scant 15 ounces. Any sting will be gone shortly. And under a SD stuation, with adrenaline pumping, it'll feel like a .22 going off.

    Wyman
     
  22. C-grunt

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    Chieftan.... I think your thinking of the LCP not the LCR, The LCR is a .38 special.
     
  23. Dimis

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    just remember folks the R in LCR stands for REVOLVER
     
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    While this is true, I suspect most people have found/would find the recoil of lightweight 357s to be quite painful, ranking right up there with slamming your hand in the hood of a car. :eek:

    Try before you buy.

    Personally, I find the hammerless S&W 642 in 38 Special to be an ideal pocket gun. Light enough not to flail around in your pocket, but heavy enough to soak up 38+P recoil to the point of being manageable. Not as fun as a K or L Frame, but doable.
     
  25. doc540

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    I shot this M360 at the range today with standard load .38 FMJ's. No problem with multiple, grouped shots.

    Last full cylinder was with CorBon DPX's loaded with Barnes Bullets.

    No significant accuracy problems after stepping up to +P loads, but I wouldn't be comfortable shooting 50 rounds thru it.

    Why, you ask? Because it costs so much!;)

    13.3oz
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