What Caliber For A Wolf Pack?

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I've raised a wolf, full blood.

They are awesome animals, they are not tame able. Not good guard dogs. Not good trail riding partners. But awesome nonetheless. I have also ran into them out in the bush. Not fun, but the only caliber I had was a machete and a bad attitude. Wolves work on instinct, they seek prey, they respect the alpha male in a group and if you take him out you are the pack leader. So pick a weapon with one good shot.

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Can you say "Remington 870", 12 gauage, no choke, 2 3/4, and i'd go with 7/8oz charge, and the highest number buckshot you can find. I'd go with the 7/8oz charge because less recoil = faster target aqcusition, that is also my reasoning for the autoloader.
 
One shot rifle? Nope, not me. If all I had was one shot with a very large mean-*ssed dog or dogs bearing down on me with the adrenalin pumping, I'd use that one shot on myself, it'd be less painful.
If it were a possibility I'd have a semi-auto rifle with at least 8 rounds, aka M1 Garand, M1A, AK-47 so on and so forth, hint, hint.

Wolf Ammo.....ha ha, cute :D
 
Out of the weapons I own, I'd definitely choose my M-1 Carbine, plenty of power for wolve's and a 15 round magazine. This carbine is small and light enough, that carrying it and great distance would be no big deal.

A sidearm definitely would not hurt either, so I'd take my XD-40, with 165 grain gold dots.:D
 
Well, if it was me I'd take some kind of "always" gun that was reliable and I shoot well (say maybe a Glock 19 or 23). I certainly think your SKS would do well, but have you biked with it? If you have, and you know its feasible, then your long gun needs are met. If I could choose anything I'd take some kind of compact short rifle (say, a krinkov) or an HK mp5 type pistol. Definately gotta have the "always" gun, though.
-David
 
I have seen everything from AK's, AR's, to flamethrowers... we are talking about animals the size of large dogs (100lbs max). Seriously folks.. thats the size of a pre adolescent child.

And I really do not, for the life of me, think wolves will attack a full grown man. I grew up in wolf country (montana). Spent most of my life there. Wolves are great animals and quite frankly have my respect.

If they see you they dont hang around. If you have the ability to see one of them consider yourself honored. Once again I say please leave the wolves alone.

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Well, I'd imagine that wolves across the country do not necessarily act all the same. Therefore, while your own personal experiences with wolves have been peaceful, that does not mean that a wolf attack could never happen on a person. Especially since, in the last fifty years, humans have not really drilled fear into the hearts of other predators in this country.
The odds are long, but there's still a chance. Couple that small chance with the fact that many people today don't go armed and have no idea on how to deal with a life-and-death situation, and the possibility of a fatal wolf attack increases. By not scaring any predators that do not have the sense to give humans a wide berth, we are emboldening such predators and inviting danger.
I too suggest that people should leave wolves alone if that's a valid option. But in the case of an attack or an imminent attack, a human life comes before a wolf's.
 
Well, if housepets gone feral will attack, and kill, folks in the inner city, then I suspect that a pack of their wild cousins could do the same...

That said, I only have to run faster than the slowest one of y'all...
 
Well I am going to err on the side of conservation. Yeah I am armed. Hell I am armed right now sittin here on my laptop. If I were threatened of course I would shoot, anything* i mean anything*. I am just asking that the members of THR not run out and try to find them to shoot.

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I am just asking that the members of THR not run out and try to find them to shoot.
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Well, currently there are federal laws that frown on such activity, although hopefully soon wolves will be de-listed and become a managed game animal in MT, much like black bears and mountain lions.

So ... what if I buy a wolf tag and then run out and try to find one to shoot? :p
 
have seen everything from AK's, AR's, to flamethrowers... we are talking about animals the size of large dogs (100lbs max). Seriously folks.. thats the size of a pre adolescent child.
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Depends on the breed of Wolf, I've seen Timber Wolf pelts the size of a medium large Black Bear pelt. Well over 200 lbs minumum.
I've read of record Timber Wolves of 350 lb.In the lower 48 wolves don't get so big.

Around here only the occasional Texas Red closer to 80-100 for aplha males if that large, probably smaller.
They aren't native, just started wandering this way.

Thats why I recommended the M1 Carbine and 9mm hicap. One 60-80 pound wolf I could kill quickly with my hands, but four wolves could tear a man apart in the blink of an eye. Even two would likely result in an un armed man getting fatal injuries before he could dispose of one attacker.

Unlike a wounded big cat or bear a wounded wolf would almost certainly break off and switch from fight to flight. Predators know that any injury that slows them down is a death sentence. Pack hunters think about more than themselves, they know a serious wound would weaken not just them but the pack itself.
 
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I have seen everything from AK's, AR's, to flamethrowers... we are talking about animals the size of large dogs (100lbs max). Seriously folks.. thats the size of a pre adolescent child.

And I really do not, for the life of me, think wolves will attack a full grown man. I grew up in wolf country (montana). Spent most of my life there. Wolves are great animals and quite frankly have my respect.

If they see you they dont hang around. If you have the ability to see one of them consider yourself honored. Once again I say please leave the wolves alone.
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What about your dogs? Will you defend them if a wolf attacks them - even if that wolf might not be a direct threat to you? That's what I care about. Whether one considers wolves to be a threat to man or not, I think that reasonable people can probably decide not to automatically kill one just because they saw one at a distance. (This assumes, of course that the person in question is not actually on a wolf hunt. If they are, then other rules might apply.) The question is really is more along the lines of, if you are out walking your dogs - as was the person in the original posted article - and either you OR your dogs are threatened by wolves, will you do what you have to do to protect yourself or your dogs? Even if wolves are no threat to man, it is well documented that they ARE a threat to domesticated dogs. My view is that if you won't defend your dogs, then you don't deserve to own them. That's all.
 
And I really do not, for the life of me, think wolves will attack a full grown man.
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Neither did that geologist in Canada yet they ate him.
Once again I say please leave the wolves alone
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Perhaps I've missed something but I don't see anyone here calling for any wolf hunts.
I grew up in wolf country (montana). Spent most of my life there
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And I live in an area with plenty of Black Bear, I haven't been attacked by one though twice Black Bear have rushed at me, no one I know has been attacked by one, and the American Indians viewed tha Black Bear as a coward and would apologize to one if they had to kill it for food. Yet Black Bear occasionally kill people, rare but it happens.

What about your dogs? Will you defend them if a wolf attacks them - even if that wolf might not be a direct threat to you?
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Hate to say it but I'd probably kill a man that attacked my dog without reason, I'd certainly bust his skull for him.
A man has a deep responsibility for his animals. Plus if a man kills your dog he'd most likely be planning to attack you next, same goes for a pack of predators.
 
Wow. C'mon fellas this is rediculous. Its a large damn dog sized animal that was almost hunted to extinction because of losers.

Enough said.

Oh and just FYI my wife does own a wolf-mix lab. Great animal.
 
Javelin, I had a full blooded Artic wolf for a few years, and he was an awesome animal. He was friendly, tame, loyal and an absolute joy to be around. The bottom line, however, is that wild wolves can be absolutely destructive to ranchers and people with pets. I'm not saying that we should declare war on them again. That is the last thing I want, but I think you are having a hard time distinguishing between your tame and loving pet, and the wild animals that are costing cattle and sheep ranchers thousands of dollars every year. I wonder how much your attitude would change if your lab/wolf mix became wolf dinner.

Back to the topic...I think I would want my Mossberg 835 stoked with 00 buckshot.
 
Of course I would shoot a wolf or anything. Like the post at the top of this page. I will shoot *anything* that threatens me. I am not sure how more bluntly I phrase *ANYTHING* and make it more apparent. I just dont think THR members in the sporting community should be so anti-wolf.

Simple rule I live by is that yeah there are going to be instances where man gets close to nature and it always doesnt work in mans favor (thats pretty logical). But man is nothing but a big destroyer and unfortunately exterminates things quickly. I am a hunter, sportsman, and I am a conservationist.

Wildlife is something to cherish for future generations.
 
"My view is that if you won't defend your dogs, then you don't deserve to own them."

I'm not sure I agree.
A dog is not a person, if a dog is let out by its owner and in turn attacked by a pack of wolves as an act predation, it's the owner's fault. How can one justify killing a group of animals that are not a direct threat to human life?
However, if one is walking his/her dog and a pack of wolves come to attack the dog when it's clear that the dog is accompanied by the owner, that crosses the line because it means that the pack will not fear humans.
 
I just dont think THR members in the sporting community should be so anti-wolf.
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I think you've shown the same tendency to exagerate that so many conservationists have done over the years.
No one here seems to be "Anti-Wolf" any more than they would be "Anti-Grizzly Bear" if discussing the best weaponry for defense against the Grizzly.

I'm not Anti-Black Bear either, and don't hunt bear, but one strolled through my back yard recently and if I'd let the dog out or if the dog had been tied out that night I very likely would have shot the bear to protect the dog that is there to protect my home. I rebuilt my fence using a much stronger grade of panels I luckily found on sale ( not popular because their weight makes them harder to put up) so I haven't had a repeat of the Bear intrusion. Since then the Dog has grown so much he could be mistaken for a bear and sleeps out back every night.

What I'm "Anti" is romantizing thw Wolf and promoting the Meme that its harmless, when their are dozens of recorded non fatal attacks on this continent and hundreds of both fatal and non fatal attacks reported in the journals of American colonials and explorers.

A Wolf is highly unlikely to attack under normal circumstances but being prepared is one thing that prevents those abnormal circumstances that have lead to attacks in the past when the wolf was around in greater numbers.

Its been noted that Wolves seldom attacked an armed and alert grown man, most attacks were on unattended children and women.
Don't allow a child out of easy reach when wolves are about.
As with Bears don't take a Female camping when she's having her period or pregnant, if wolves or bear are lurking about.
 
Javelin, I'm not anti wolf either, and I certainly admire them for what they are. Seeing one in the wild - from a safe distance - would give me the same kind of thrill as seeing bears or mountain lions in the wild. They are wonderful parts of God's creation.

But... (you knew that was coming, didn't you?)

I simply place the value of my own life, my family's life, and my dogs' lives above the value of any threat to them - even if that threat comes from a beautiful but dangerous wild animal. I am glad to see you feel the same way.

And, for what it's worth, I completely agree with and understand the need of ranchers to abate wolves and other predators that threaten their herds and flocks. Were I in their shoes, I would feel the same way.

I never actually answered the OP's question. I guess that an AR with a high cap magazine backed up by a semi-auto pistol in caliber starting with ".4" would probably be a good combo.
 
JAVELIN - " I am just asking that the members of THR not run out and try to find them to shoot."


Javelin, I doubt that the members here would do that. Afterall, as noted above, they are Federally protected. Shoot one and it is a five year sentence in a Federal prison, and $100,000 fine.

As for a rifle, when not in the elk or deer season, when I and my wife are just bustin' around out in the mountains, I often carry either my Marlin 1894S in .41 Magnum, or my Marlin 336 in good ol' .30-30 Win.

On the very odd chance were we attacked by some four legged critter, either of those would do quite well. (Same for two legged critters, also.)

FWIW.

L.W.
 
Nothing to Worry About - Delist!

...I just dont think THR members in the sporting community should be so anti-wolf.

Simple rule I live by is that yeah there are going to be instances where man gets close to nature and it always doesnt work in mans favor (thats pretty logical). But man is nothing but a big destroyer and unfortunately exterminates things quickly. I am a hunter, sportsman, and I am a conservationist.

Wildlife is something to cherish for future generations.
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Javelin,

I think you're taking people's response to the question and assigning a "hate wolves" characteristic that is a little over the top. We've all seen a lot of these "what caliber for.." threads, people don't typically hate the animal/species mentioned, but they do offer thbeir .02 on what THEY would use.

On a different thread, you refer to the "wannabes on the wolf kill thread". What's High Road about that? Why are members wannabes, just becuase their viewpoint is different than yours?

And as a sportsman and conservationist, you should WANT the wolf to be delisted and hunted. As a sportsman and conservationistm you're well aware that once management of a species is placed in the hands of sportsmen, that species has fared quite well and tends to stick around.

Do we need predator species in the wild? Sure. Do they need to be managed, including hunting, to preserve their respect for man and to manage their numbers? Darn right.
 
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