What do you consider to be the ultimate fighting revolver
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CraigC
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An 8-shot N-frame is no bigger than a 6-shot N-frame.
Vern Humphrey
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Regarding George Patton's use of the SAA in the Mexican Punitive Expedition;
I know a story about that -- a fellow here in Mountain View, Arkansas, Jack Thomas, is fairly famous among those who restore old cars. A friend in the Library of Congress tracked down a 1915 Dodge Touring Car -- it was in a barn here in Arkansas -- and put Jack onto it.
That car (they were serial numbered) was purchased by the Army and issued to John J. Pershing for the Mexican Punitive Expedition. Jack restored it beautifully and had a huge scrap book about the car and its restoration. I looked through it and noticed he didn't have anything about Patton using the car when he killed Cardenas (the Number 3 man in Poncho Villa's army.) And I told him the story.
About a year later, Jack had the car on display at the courthouse square and I stopped by. He jumped up -- "You Son of a B####!"
It turned out he didn't believe me, and he called his friend in the Library of Congress who also didn't believe me -- so Jack had his scrap book printed up and was selling copies.
Then the friend came with an original newspaper article and faxed it to Jack -- it told all about how Patton was out with the car and a small escort, buying hay, heard Cardenas was home and went up to see.
Cardenas' home was a typical upper-class hacienda, built in the form of a hollow square. There were two other Villanistas with him, and they had their horses saddled and bridled in the courtyard. They heard the car coming, and their plan was to let the gringo pass, then slip out and go the other way. If he stopped, Plan B was to ride him down and shoot him.
Needless to say, against a pistol shot of Patton's caliber, Plan B didn't work.
The newspaper article had a photograph of Cardenas lashed to the hood of the Dodge -- Patton had him astride the hood, looking back through the windshield, with his hands tied to the side mirrors and feet lashed to the bumper.
The article and picture will be in the next edition of Jack's book.
He was indeed a cavalryman, and competed in the 1912 Olympics in the Modern Pentathalon -- a cavalryman's event. It models a cavalryman carrying dispatches across the battlefield and starts as a steeplechase. The cavalryman's horse goes lame, so he has to run on, swim a river, shoot it out with his pistol and finish up with his sabre.
I know a story about that -- a fellow here in Mountain View, Arkansas, Jack Thomas, is fairly famous among those who restore old cars. A friend in the Library of Congress tracked down a 1915 Dodge Touring Car -- it was in a barn here in Arkansas -- and put Jack onto it.
That car (they were serial numbered) was purchased by the Army and issued to John J. Pershing for the Mexican Punitive Expedition. Jack restored it beautifully and had a huge scrap book about the car and its restoration. I looked through it and noticed he didn't have anything about Patton using the car when he killed Cardenas (the Number 3 man in Poncho Villa's army.) And I told him the story.
About a year later, Jack had the car on display at the courthouse square and I stopped by. He jumped up -- "You Son of a B####!"
It turned out he didn't believe me, and he called his friend in the Library of Congress who also didn't believe me -- so Jack had his scrap book printed up and was selling copies.
Then the friend came with an original newspaper article and faxed it to Jack -- it told all about how Patton was out with the car and a small escort, buying hay, heard Cardenas was home and went up to see.
Cardenas' home was a typical upper-class hacienda, built in the form of a hollow square. There were two other Villanistas with him, and they had their horses saddled and bridled in the courtyard. They heard the car coming, and their plan was to let the gringo pass, then slip out and go the other way. If he stopped, Plan B was to ride him down and shoot him.
Needless to say, against a pistol shot of Patton's caliber, Plan B didn't work.
The newspaper article had a photograph of Cardenas lashed to the hood of the Dodge -- Patton had him astride the hood, looking back through the windshield, with his hands tied to the side mirrors and feet lashed to the bumper.
The article and picture will be in the next edition of Jack's book.
Interesting, I wasn't aware of that, I'm going to have to read up on that model. Thanks!
Frizzman
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I started out as a city LEO in 1977 and was issued a S&W M10 HB 4" and carried it and later a similar M64 for about the next ten years. I never had to shoot anybody but was present when a person was shot with issued 158gr LSWHP +P during two incidents. Both were one shot stops. My ears rang for a good while since both incidents took place indoors...So, the old M10 with that ammo appeared to be effective.
Currently, my favorite and most used full sized revolver is either a Ruger Security Six SS four inch or a S&W M19-3 four inch. They combine good power using proper .357 ammo with being a good size and weight for all day carry. I do like my N Frames in .357, .41mag/spl .44 and .45 Colt but they are a load for long carry with anything other than a Sam Brown rig.
As long as the cartridge used is reasonably effective and one can shoot the revolver well under the stress of a serious social interaction, I don't think the specific revolver used makes much difference. Its the bullet and where it goes that does the job...or not. Accuracy is important when you only have five or six chances to end the situation.
Currently, my favorite and most used full sized revolver is either a Ruger Security Six SS four inch or a S&W M19-3 four inch. They combine good power using proper .357 ammo with being a good size and weight for all day carry. I do like my N Frames in .357, .41mag/spl .44 and .45 Colt but they are a load for long carry with anything other than a Sam Brown rig.
As long as the cartridge used is reasonably effective and one can shoot the revolver well under the stress of a serious social interaction, I don't think the specific revolver used makes much difference. Its the bullet and where it goes that does the job...or not. Accuracy is important when you only have five or six chances to end the situation.
Lj1941
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Model 19
It would have to be a Combat Magnum with 4 inch barrel &
several GOOD speedloaders Comp 2's not HK's. If Bill Jordan
had a hand in designing it-It's good enough for me.
It would have to be a Combat Magnum with 4 inch barrel &
several GOOD speedloaders Comp 2's not HK's. If Bill Jordan
had a hand in designing it-It's good enough for me.
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Snubshooter
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Actually GS Patton was one heck of a "Gunfighter" Read up sometime on his exploits under Blackjack in chasing Pancho Villa around the border. He killed several Villaistas Face to Face with his SAA, Which is why he still carried it through WWII.
RealGun
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Not in .357 Magnum. I wouldn't care to lug an N frame around just to shoot .357. My N frames are .45 ACP or .44 Magnum, and the .45 ACP doesn't really need all that much gun under it, but I suppose it might be necessary to get 6 rounds of .45 ACP in a cylinder of an existing platform. The N frame is nominally made for the .44 Magnum, correct?
CraigC
Sixgun Nut
N-frames are all the same size, no matter what cartridge they chamber and no, less gun would not be possible in .45ACP. Not unless you went to a five-shot and it would have to be a new frame between the L and N. Which is pointless.
RealGun
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You somehow needed to take exception to this, but I stand by it. An N frame to me, is an open carry gun. That's all I said. 8 shots in .357 results in a gun that I consider too big for me to conceal, and I am the only one who would know.
CraigC
Sixgun Nut
I needed to take exception to this because your post implies that the 8-shot version is somehow larger than the 6-shot. It is not. If that's not what you meant, then I misinterpreted.
The 6-shot N-frame .357 would make pretty good iron club when one runs out of ammo, but it certainly would fall well short of "ultimate fighting revolver". The 8-shot .357 black "SWAT Boy S&W Railed Thingy" would make very good fighting revolver. I dare to say the R8 made on the L-frame.
TrueTexan
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I have a M&P 38 S&W pre-victory my dad did carry in WWII . For me to carry concealed it would be my 686+ 3 inch 357 if I carry in the open it would by my Ruger Redhawk 44 mag.
CraigC
Sixgun Nut
Yes, we all know that you think even a K-frame .22 is an overweight pig. Again, I don't know why you even bother to post in the revolver forum.
.455_Hunter
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If somebody told me "In 60 secs, you will have to defend your with a revolver- get something out of the safe", I would probably select either my 4" 625 Mountain Gun in .45 Colt, or my 4" 624 in .44 Special. My Ruger Police Service-Six in .357 would also be a good choice.
There we go - I'd pick a 629 Mtn gun in 45 Colt, 45 ACP, or (like mine) 44 magnum loaded down to a manageable level … or a similarly formatted Colt like the New Service (why, oh why did they never reissue that one?).
CraigC
Sixgun Nut
I'll get in line right now for a New Service re-issue! With modern steels and heat treatments, it would easily handle the .44Mag and similar cartridges.
Reloadron
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I have several revolvers chambered in 357 ranging from Colt Trooper to Colt Python with a few S&W tossed in. The only revolver I own that really meets the criteria is my S&W Model 19.
Had many Model 10s come and go in my life and next one that I see in very good condition I'll likely buy and hang on to this time.
Ron
Had many Model 10s come and go in my life and next one that I see in very good condition I'll likely buy and hang on to this time.
Ron
Deaf Smith
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Ultimate?
I guess
My S&W 625-2 3 inch .45 ACP. That's the one on the right in this picture above (but that .44 Mountain gun on the left ain't bad either.)
The 625 easily takes .45 Supers and with +P .45 ACP it don't kick much and puts them all in one hole at 20 yards.
Deaf
I guess
My S&W 625-2 3 inch .45 ACP. That's the one on the right in this picture above (but that .44 Mountain gun on the left ain't bad either.)
The 625 easily takes .45 Supers and with +P .45 ACP it don't kick much and puts them all in one hole at 20 yards.
Deaf
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