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mossberg 590 and a saiga .223/7.62/.308
What gun for an offshore boat?
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sniper5
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For the 12 ga. somewhere in the mix a couple of 12 ga flares might be a nice addition. One or two in the area of the cockpit might give them something to do. Fire is a really scary thing at sea. And if you have to engage soft targets before transitioning to buck and slugs, a flare to the chest is pretty gruesome.
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Well, keep a flare gun for the flares. That is needed anyway. And, if baddies cause trouble, a flare can be fired straight up (as well as at any baddies). Anything to alert trouble is a good thing.
Yet, the 12 ga is still the best for the boat, which is why they are so popular for boats. You don't actually see Marine M14's, FAL's, PSL's, or even AK's (though the chrome plated beasts could be called that).
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Yet, the 12 ga is still the best for the boat, which is why they are so popular for boats. You don't actually see Marine M14's, FAL's, PSL's, or even AK's (though the chrome plated beasts could be called that).
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Two of the 40MM Bofors Cannons...
One on the bow, one on the stern...
Now, for stuff you can actually obtain and use....Marine Duty Shotgun, .308/.30-06 autoloader rifle, stainless revolver of .357/.41/.44Mag size.
Although, if you could get it, the 1917 (or so) BAR and a stack o' magazines would do for the .30-06 rifle...
One on the bow, one on the stern...
Now, for stuff you can actually obtain and use....Marine Duty Shotgun, .308/.30-06 autoloader rifle, stainless revolver of .357/.41/.44Mag size.
Although, if you could get it, the 1917 (or so) BAR and a stack o' magazines would do for the .30-06 rifle...
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Citadel99, I have some questions for you.
1: Will he be the only crew member most of the time? If there is more then one, how many?
2: What are the specifications of the vessel such as size, speed, acceleration, engine?
If the vessel has a one man crew and the plan would be to engage at a distance if a threat was perceived in time, who will maneuver the boat while he engages the target? How will he compensate for the turbulence of a moving vessel while firing? Is the ship large or slow? Or is it quick and nimble? If it is slow then a distant engagement becomes more of a likely scenario. If it is quick he may have better odds outmaneuvering them instead of stopping or slowing down the boat to fire.
Other then the movements of his own vessel, if the assailants use fast watercraft, it will be even harder for him to hit his target.
See where I am going?
1: Will he be the only crew member most of the time? If there is more then one, how many?
2: What are the specifications of the vessel such as size, speed, acceleration, engine?
If the vessel has a one man crew and the plan would be to engage at a distance if a threat was perceived in time, who will maneuver the boat while he engages the target? How will he compensate for the turbulence of a moving vessel while firing? Is the ship large or slow? Or is it quick and nimble? If it is slow then a distant engagement becomes more of a likely scenario. If it is quick he may have better odds outmaneuvering them instead of stopping or slowing down the boat to fire.
Other then the movements of his own vessel, if the assailants use fast watercraft, it will be even harder for him to hit his target.
See where I am going?
DMK
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Yea, a few Navy SEALs between you and the bad guys will definitely take care of your problem.
kcmarine
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Maybe an AR (after making sure it's been Dura- coated like hell, and cleaned every time you go out) in .50 Beowolf. Since you won't have to worry too much about long range accuracy, the round will carry more than enough punch.
Tuxedo,
It's a 30 foot twin hull with twin 225s on the back, so it's not the fastest or most nimble boat on the water. He rarely goes off shore by himself so he'll almost always have a couple of guys with him.
Kinda leaning towards an SKS and a marine shotgun. SKS has some punch and it's not the end of the world if it rusts out.
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It's a 30 foot twin hull with twin 225s on the back, so it's not the fastest or most nimble boat on the water. He rarely goes off shore by himself so he'll almost always have a couple of guys with him.
Kinda leaning towards an SKS and a marine shotgun. SKS has some punch and it's not the end of the world if it rusts out.
Mark
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how about a boltaction?
say something like an ishy 2a enfield
.308 just needs some new sights to be good to go
i would actually repaint it with the same black paint it is really goof for avoiding rust jsut keep it in a srealed back witht he bolt well oiled
but i would also like an 870 just incase they got close
look into the mossberg jic kits
say something like an ishy 2a enfield
.308 just needs some new sights to be good to go
i would actually repaint it with the same black paint it is really goof for avoiding rust jsut keep it in a srealed back witht he bolt well oiled
but i would also like an 870 just incase they got close
look into the mossberg jic kits
You need to keep in mind what tactics "pirates" might use. They are not going to start blazing away at 500 yards. They'll look like other fisherman and if they contact you by rdaio it will be under some other premise (swap beer, need a tool to make a repair, etc). 99.999999% of the time someone who approaches you on the high seas is not a bad guy.
A shotgun ready will probably serve you well for your purpose. You need to fire a lot of rounds through a hull before you do more damage than bilge pumps can keep up with. I worked marine enforcement in Florida and few other places. I carried a S&W M66, 870, and AR. You just need to clean the weapons regularly.
I think this fear of pirates is way overblown but wouldn't think of a long haul by small boat without a firearm on board.
You need to check state laws and ask the USCG of any Federal restrictions. When I made boardings with the USCG we would ask if there were any weapons on board, ask where they were and we would ensure they were secured (many times just leaving them wherever they were). Not sure of current policies or regulations.
A shotgun ready will probably serve you well for your purpose. You need to fire a lot of rounds through a hull before you do more damage than bilge pumps can keep up with. I worked marine enforcement in Florida and few other places. I carried a S&W M66, 870, and AR. You just need to clean the weapons regularly.
I think this fear of pirates is way overblown but wouldn't think of a long haul by small boat without a firearm on board.
You need to check state laws and ask the USCG of any Federal restrictions. When I made boardings with the USCG we would ask if there were any weapons on board, ask where they were and we would ensure they were secured (many times just leaving them wherever they were). Not sure of current policies or regulations.
I would get a mossberg 590 with a heat shield and speedfeed stock and a saiga .308 with a variable POSP sprayed with some dark coating. My reasoning is that if all goes well you take them up close with the pump, buck and ball, but if they speed off to plink at you then out comes the .308. The dark paint is so they don't have a shiny target to aim at. These are also great cheap guns to have otherwise. They could also have folding stocks for convenience, from ACE for saiga and Knoxx for mossy.
Couple other thoughts-
-x39 is good for close work, but how well does it stop a boat engine? An outboard is a good target... How flat does the trajectory need to be? Is it enough power?
-The shottie would be the only choice at night. Too dark at sea to use day optics.
-Can you put a gyroscope on the saiga for steadiness? How about a toy one attached to the forend?
-Why the hell hasn't anyone mentioned a scout mosin? The mount that replaces the rear sight, with a 6x or so pistol scope... Put a condom over the end and it should be fine
Couple other thoughts-
-x39 is good for close work, but how well does it stop a boat engine? An outboard is a good target... How flat does the trajectory need to be? Is it enough power?
-The shottie would be the only choice at night. Too dark at sea to use day optics.
-Can you put a gyroscope on the saiga for steadiness? How about a toy one attached to the forend?
-Why the hell hasn't anyone mentioned a scout mosin? The mount that replaces the rear sight, with a 6x or so pistol scope... Put a condom over the end and it should be fine
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What you need is a couple of bow chasers, some long nines, and a full broadside of 24-pounders, plus the marines up in the rat lines. Send Dr. Maturin, Bonden and Pullings to cut out the pirate vessel. Meanwhile, Killick makes sandwiches and, if need be, he nags the pirates into submission. Send Pullings back to Port Mahon with the prize...
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My thoughts:
A 50bmg would be a bit hard to be effective with. The barret m82 would be great with iron sights or a low power scope, but way too expensive (for some). A bolt 50 bmg would work I suppose, but I would probably get a semi-auto if it were me. Something on a pintle/soft mount would work like a charm. I'd How about a garand or an M1A? You could always duracoat it or have someone else do it for you. I think the local guys were charging around $200 for a rifle, maybe $275; either way for the application it seems like a no brainer as duracoat claims to be resistant to a constant salt water shower for something like 200 hours before any signs of corrosion iirc.
Unless you're being boarded, I don't think a shotgun will be very effective. The best plan would be to stop them before they are in small arm range, then run like hell.
A 50bmg would be a bit hard to be effective with. The barret m82 would be great with iron sights or a low power scope, but way too expensive (for some). A bolt 50 bmg would work I suppose, but I would probably get a semi-auto if it were me. Something on a pintle/soft mount would work like a charm. I'd How about a garand or an M1A? You could always duracoat it or have someone else do it for you. I think the local guys were charging around $200 for a rifle, maybe $275; either way for the application it seems like a no brainer as duracoat claims to be resistant to a constant salt water shower for something like 200 hours before any signs of corrosion iirc.
Unless you're being boarded, I don't think a shotgun will be very effective. The best plan would be to stop them before they are in small arm range, then run like hell.
high capacity AK with extra mags and cheap optics. if the gun falls into the water after a shoot-out, you wont be out a lot of money. AP and tracer rounds might be good to have loaded up too. in heavy seas you probably would not be using your sights too much. having a shotgun with 00 buckshot and or slugs is probably a good idea as well for a backup weapon. in general, it is considered bad manners for a boat to get too close to another vessel. a boat that gets too close is suspect in my opinion. distance is your friend.
I'd stick with a 12ga. shotgun. Cheap, and will pretty much drop and stop anything within 30-50 yards. But for rifles, An AK would be ideal. It'll work for them, it'll work for you.
I really can't see drug runners bothering you, though. The idea of running drugs is to get them somewhere without being caught. Pulling up near or next to a boat and engaging in a shootout in open water would seem to defeat that purpose.
I really can't see drug runners bothering you, though. The idea of running drugs is to get them somewhere without being caught. Pulling up near or next to a boat and engaging in a shootout in open water would seem to defeat that purpose.
"Gone are the cannon and cutlass, to be replaced by rocket propelled grenades and automatic rifles, but according to new figures from the organisation that collates reports of global piracy, the spirit of Johnny Depp’s Captain Jack Sparrow is alive and terrorising the ocean waves. The International Maritime Bureau’s latest report reveals the first rise in pirate attacks since their previous peak in the mid 1990s. In one particularly savage incident in the Philippines in March, pirates shot dead the captain of a passenger boat and two of his crew before tying them to their anchor and tossing it overboard. They then shot the two remaining crew members and escaped in a motor boat."
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Saiga 12 with slugs and buck. I reloaded my own buck-and-ball for hunting and shtf. and Saiga .308 rifle. and Glock on belt to get you to your guns and ammo.
Saiga 12 with slugs and buck. I reloaded my own buck-and-ball for hunting and shtf. and Saiga .308 rifle. and Glock on belt to get you to your guns and ammo.
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My dad kept a stainless Ruger Mini-14 on his (saltwater) fishing boat for years with no rust issues. I think it's a pretty good choice.
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A guy in Bass Pro told me that he was in his boat when pirates (drug guys) boarded it at about 0200.
He had no gun, due to laws in whichever Caribbean islands (Bahamas?), but he said that he will take a shotgun on his next cruise.
He was silent about which islands he had in mind.
The problem is that you will most likely be below deck when they board. Professional criminals are not going to give us a warning or make noise.
A famous athlete was in that situation in the Caribbean, came up through the hatch with a gun in his hand and was shot dead.
The bad guys already have you in their sights and flashlights. What good then is it to emerge and and look around?
They probably use paddles the last 100 yards so that nobody hears them.
I would plan on them always having the offensive tactical advantages.
Some boaters are probably naive enough to assume that criminal slime bags will give us time to look around with a light in our face, then aim a gun...
Although I have a Mini 14, 30, SKS and M44, in that situation I would probably have either an AK or SKS "Paratrooper", IF it can be fitted with a reliable high-cap. magazine.
He had no gun, due to laws in whichever Caribbean islands (Bahamas?), but he said that he will take a shotgun on his next cruise.
He was silent about which islands he had in mind.
The problem is that you will most likely be below deck when they board. Professional criminals are not going to give us a warning or make noise.
A famous athlete was in that situation in the Caribbean, came up through the hatch with a gun in his hand and was shot dead.
The bad guys already have you in their sights and flashlights. What good then is it to emerge and and look around?
They probably use paddles the last 100 yards so that nobody hears them.
I would plan on them always having the offensive tactical advantages.
Some boaters are probably naive enough to assume that criminal slime bags will give us time to look around with a light in our face, then aim a gun...
Although I have a Mini 14, 30, SKS and M44, in that situation I would probably have either an AK or SKS "Paratrooper", IF it can be fitted with a reliable high-cap. magazine.
Gunsby_Blazen
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Stainless Mini-30 and a Benelli Nova H2O or a Mossberg with Marinecote.
I think most people got it right where you should get a Mini-30 and some kind of marine style shotgun. Benelli, Mossberg, and Remington all make some type of marine shotgun.
Take a look around, find somethings you like. The simpler the better, less moving parts to ware and rust. Personally I would stay away from the AR platform for this.
Whatever you get, keep it oiled and sealed away from the elements.
I think most people got it right where you should get a Mini-30 and some kind of marine style shotgun. Benelli, Mossberg, and Remington all make some type of marine shotgun.
Take a look around, find somethings you like. The simpler the better, less moving parts to ware and rust. Personally I would stay away from the AR platform for this.
Whatever you get, keep it oiled and sealed away from the elements.
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Don't forget your hook. You could claw them pretty well with that thing.
Mossberg 590 SP Mariner 12ga pump gun. I used one while working marine patrol....and liked it enough to buy one for my own boat.
It works well at close ranges and handles a wide variety of 12ga ammo.
Store it in a Pelican box with dessicant, lube regularly.
A 12ga pump won't arouse headaches with law enforcement if they have reason to come aboard. The last thing you want is to be looked at as a smuggler/bad guy by toting an AR/AK. LE may end up taking his boat for a while as things get sorted out. Not fun to have happen.
It works well at close ranges and handles a wide variety of 12ga ammo.
Store it in a Pelican box with dessicant, lube regularly.
A 12ga pump won't arouse headaches with law enforcement if they have reason to come aboard. The last thing you want is to be looked at as a smuggler/bad guy by toting an AR/AK. LE may end up taking his boat for a while as things get sorted out. Not fun to have happen.
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