What is an elephant gun?

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I hear the term thrown around pretty casually. In your mind what qualifies as an elephant gun?

To me it is one with which you can reliably stop a charging bull elephant at close quarters in thick brush. I'll include my thoughts on the subject here shortly. I'd like to get your take on it first.
 
Well, here in South Texas, the young ones I hunt around, and with, consider the 45/70 I own, an "Elephant Gun". But the only gun I've ever fired that I consider to be a "true" Elephant gun, was a .458 Win Magnum.
 
I think the minimum caliber that qualify as true "Elephant gun" is the 375 H&H.....large caliber and over 4500 ft/lb at least....
 
There are two schools of thought for ephalump guns... One is a large bullet that has tons of energy on target. The other is a smaller caliber guns, still above 338 caliber that sends a solid slug at a blistering speed for penetration. Personally, I think a gun in this caliber would be the absolute best! They call it the 20/50

http://www.anzioironworks.com/Anzio-20-50.html
 
I really don't think there are many shoulder-mounted civilian weapons that can reliably stop a charging elephant in heavy brush. Personally, I've wanted a .416 Rigby in a M1917 action for years, and while that might be a suitable "heavy", at close range from the ground, I wouldn't want to make any bets I'd come out alive.

I think a copper-slug sabot from a 10 gauge, at close range, might also do the trick.
 
Most popular and widely available "elephant guns" or dangerous game rifles are usually the following 4 cartridges. there are numerous variations and magnum versions of these rounds but these are your bread and butter dangerous game rifles that have twice the recoil of an average 12 gauge shotgun (70 pounds of recoil or so, most shotguns around 20-30 depending on what you shooting)

.375 H&H
.416 Rigby
.458 Win Mag
.500 nitro

Other weird and specialized variations

.416 remington magnum
.458 lott (same thing as .458 win mag but case is slightly longer by .10 of an inch, so more room for powder slightly faster muzzle velocity, a barrel chambered in .458 lott can accept a .458 win mag cartridge, but a rifle chambered in .458 win mag will not accept a .458 lott safely)
.460 weatherby magnum... this is probably one the most powerful elephant cartridges that have a bullet of .5" diameter or less.
.470 nitro express
.577 t-rex

Most "elephant guns" or african rifles have case lengths of 2.5"-3.25" allowing a lot of room for powder.. which can propel a 500 grain bullet at over 2000 feet per second
 
"To me it is one with which you can reliably stop a charging bull elephant at close quarters in thick brush."

That fits in with what I've been reading since I first found a magazine article about hunting in Africa. Most professionals seem to be happy with the "Big 40s", so why should I argue?

But if Great Biggie is coming out of the brush and getting up close and personal, I mostly hope I'd remember what I was told about the desired point of aim. Even a .577 in the wrong place ain't gonna help much.
 
From the descriptions I have read, indigenous poachers are using surplus military machine guns.

They are wiping out the herds faster than the "evil" white hunters ever did with their double rifles, and now it appears the "new normal" elephant gun is a 50cal BMG mounted on a toyota.
 
To me it would be anything that could take out a tank, since elefinos are the next big threat. Remember you heard that here first :p

Honestly my experiance with large cal. guns besides a .50BMG is very limited. From what I've read though it would be a super cal, .500 nitro, .577 t-rex, .700 nitro...etc.. Though I doubt I would ever go hunting in Africa, if I had to go against anything of that size I would want the biggest caliber that I could get my hands on without a doubt.
 
Actually I have a question for the expert Elephant hunters (H&Hunterhunter & Co.)

Would a 3" or 3.5" 12 ga. saboted solid slug or hardcast slug do the trick in an emergency with careful aim??

I know, their SD sucks and they are just a bit above 3000 ft/lb of energy...
 
Would a 3" or 3.5" 12 ga. saboted solid slug or hardcast slug do the trick in an emergency with careful aim??

Actually no there are no common shotgun slugs that will reliably penetrate a bull elephants skull on a frontal shot. And in an emergency the frontal shot is the one you are concerned with.
 
I call my 375 HnH my elephant gun but that is just because its the only rifle I own that could be leagely used on the bigs. Now if I were some how able to afford to hunt a packy then I would also manage to afford another rifle probably in 458 lott, it would be a bolt gun because that is what I have used for over 20 years and muscle memory may just keep me form becoming part of the landscape. Big tough bullets at reasonable speed have a good record so I don't think I would try to fix what aint broke.

If for some reason I couldn't handle the recoil of a 458 lott then I would use the 375, better to make a good hit with a smaller round than miss an elephant with a big round.

I was just thinking that no hunting rifle has enough energy to "stop" some thing that you could weigh at a truck stop. So its the where you hit that makes the biggest dif, the what you hit with. The really big boomers may give a little more room for err but I don't want to bet my liffe on a near miss that "might" work.
 
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So the big difference here between a rifle that is legal to hunt elephants with and a true elephant gun is a matter of the situation and circumstances in which the shot is encountered.

While it is true that a .375H&H is the minimum legal cartridge which is legal to sport hunt elephant it can not be relied upon to stop a charge at close range in thick cover.

Even the venerable .470NE is considered an unreliable stopper. All of the modern day big time elephant hunters that I've spoken to about this subject tend to agree that a reliable elephant stopping cartridge starts with a .50.

Most of the guys out there that are regularly relied upon to stop a big angry bull elephant at close range are using a minimum of a .500 NE a few shoot .577NE and there are a smattering of bolt guns in .500 Jeffery, .505 Gibbs ETC.

What you won't find are any pros shooting the .700 NE the .700 NE is a stupid human trick there are only very few of them built they are prohibitively heavy and here's the shocker they don't have very good performance on game and tend to lack penetration. While there are a very few .600 NE's around I know of only one pro who uses one. The .600 is also faulted for poor penetration.

Conventional wisdom stated that a reliable elephant gun should be a minimum of .400 cal firing a 400 gr bullet of solid patch construction @ a minimum of 4,000 Ftlbs of ME.

Modern bullet construction has increased those parameters somewhat.

My personal comfort level when I am hunting thick Jesse bush are the following. I like a fast handling weapon preferably a double or a bolt gun with either ghost rings or good shallow v express sights. IN a double I like it to be a minimum of .450 cal firing a 500 gr solid of excellent construction and in a bolt gun a minimum of .400 cal firing 400 gr solid at something over 2300 FPS. I like to be real near 5,000 Ftlbs ME or above.

If a guy were going to seriously get into elephant hunting my thoughts are that he's best be served by either a .500 NE double or in a bolt gun a .458 Lott, .450 Rigby or a .500 Jeffery. My preference being the .450 Rigby or the Jeffery. The more I play with the Lott the less I like it. I've killed two cape buffalo with them and played with them quite a bit. The .450 Rigby is just so superior a round that it would be my choice if I was to get into another .458 cal bolt gun.

If any of you guys are really interested in the process and procedures of hunting the African elephant there is a DVD out there called "Hunting the African Elephant" by Buzz Carlton. This is the most informative no BS instructional hunting film that has ever been made. There are multiple example on film of of .470 and .458 class rifles failing to stop an elephant where the exact same placement with a .50 cal or larger sporting round drops them like a ton of bricks. It is really pretty eye opening.

it can be found here. http://www.cmsafaris.com/
 
A note to all of you .50 BMG, 20/50, big huge sniper heavy fixed position rifle guys.

Yes your caliber choice would no doubt kill any elephant on the planet with more than enough power and penetration. The problem is that when the SHTF at close range you need/MUST HAVE a rifle that is as quick handling and swings as smoothly as a fine bird gun. An elephant attack comes from close range it happens lightening fast and usually from an off angle at a very fast moving target which makes for a quick swinging well fit rifle to be more than a luxury but a life or death necessity.

So the .50 BMG's of the world simply do not fit the bill.
 
+1 on the 700 nitro being a stupid human trick, lol.

Just think about the recoil on those things. Even taking a 14 lb gun, one could calculate the felt recoil to be comparable to the muzzle energy of a .22 LR.

I mean, seriously. Ouch?
 
Okay, H&H, so my ideal heavy should be a .505 Gibbs?

600 grain at 2100 just sounds like...OW.
 
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