what is "limp wristing"?

[carebear]

Sam,

Assuming I and others saw/experienced what I say I did.....

That leaves us with the alternate hypothesis, that the guns in question are in fact defective in some way that can be induced by some improper grip/new shooter scenarios, but not by experienced shooters and/or other inexperienced ones. Keep in mind, some of these were range guns that saw hundreds of users but only experienced problems with a few. They were properly cleaned and lubricated after each use but other than that didn't get "fixed" per se.

Is that any more probable and does that help?

 

[Kruzr]

Sam, the physics involved is the conservation of momentum. Momentum is mass times velocity. You don't have to be fast, just move your hands/wrists/arms enough to transfer just some of the momentum of the slide at the right time. To duplicate it, you have to "snap off a shot" where you end up with the muzzle pointed up and your elbows and wrists bent rather than letting the gun come back down to it's prior point of aim with straight arms (or one bent for the Weaver guys) and wrists.

 

[1911Tuner]

Fickle Finger of Fate

Well carebear...Kruzr...Sam, et al...as fate would have it, I'm involved with a
Colt 1991 Compact that has me just about whipped...and it's directly related to this thread.

It belongs to Kramer Krazy...a relatively new member here who lives close enough to me to bring it for a much-needed reliability tweak. It was so full of
out-of-spec issues within the slide, that I didn't think I was gonna be able to
get it goin'. This is the true Officer's Model from Hell. It makes the one I fixed for Saltydog look like a Coney Island Cakewalk.

On the third try, I got it. The gun ran like a sewin' machine...for me. I shot it
with a loose grip and a tight grip, and everything in between. One hand and two...slow fire and as fast as I could pull the trigger. Reloads and factory ball. It even fed the H&G 200-grain lead semi-wadcutter loaded down to
800 fps. I even held it upside down and shot it. The gun ran...until Kramer shot it. It made it through 3 magazines before it started choking. I'm at a loss here, and the only explanation that I can come up with is that it's got
something to do with the way he absorbs and controls recoil. Note that he doesn't have this problem with his fullsize pistol.

Maybe the arm movement theory has more merit than we suspect...

 

[280PLUS]

Gee, my revolver NEVER jams,,,

Go figure!



No, seriously, good thread although Ive only made it half way through page 3 so far.

Thanx for the info!

While I'm here, The Navy taught me to shoot a 1911 with a loose grip which may have been the trend at the time, I don't know. I shot well with the loose grip and had maybe just one ftf out of hundreds of rounds. These days I shoot with a firmer grip just because I think I do better.

The best description I've ever heard of how to hold a gun is,

"Hold it like it's a small bird"

not so tight you'll "Squoosh it and kill it" but not so loose it gets away.

 

[medmo]

Limp Wristing is reality and shouldn't be filed away with Bigfoot and U.F.O's. Working as a range coach in Quanitico it was a common experience on the pistol range. I would like to say that it was strictly WM's but it also occurred with male Marines also. It happens with new shooters and is solved with training and using the Weaver stance. The shooter isn't just practicing a bad grip and stance when it happens. Usually they are flinching and "running away" from the gun on recoil. It's basic physics of Newton's Law. I remember one REALLY frustrating situation with a single WM who could make everything jam all the time. That was a really long week.

 

[SRYnidan]

Medmo

I have to agree with you and some others. I have seen too often in the course of teaching to be a myth. I will agree host of sins have been laid at this door.

I have a friend who is an LOE carries a full size S&W DAO in 45. He has no trouble with it but we went out to shoot and he could not get anything I own that is light in weight to work (Kel-Tec, P32, Glock 23,) and yes he does end up with the gun pointing up in the air when he is done. I fully believe that the weight of the weapon or the frame playes a big role, but not nearly what the loose nut behind the trigger does.

As a note I can get any Glock 9mm to short stroke if you only put a round in the chamber and only two in the magazine, hold it between thumb and trigger finger and squeeze ( remember how much a fully loaded magazine weighs). I have done this demo at lots of classes.

 

[ThreadKiller]

Huh. And here I always thought "limp wristing" was slang for Democratic foreign policy.

Whaddya know?

Tim