what is "limp wristing"?

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Great, now boil them down into pithy one or two word phrases.

Maybe even an acronym? :evil:

That's exactly the mental heavy lifting I was hoping someone would do for me. Thanks for boiling it down thus far.

I'll steal my buddy's 21 and 23 (again, nothing 'gainst glocks :D )and see what I can induce within those after all these years next time I go shooting with him.
 
Other than muscle memory and more practice is there any technique or hint that will reduce the variation in my grip?
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Yeah, this one's the hardest thing you'll ever do: pay attention every time.

I mean, pay attention to the exact placement of your web, fingers, thumb, and off hand. Settle your trigger finger on the same spot on the frame when it is not on the trigger. Force yourself to notice the exact spot your right thumb touches, the exact feel of the backstrap under the web of your hand, the exact positioning of your fingers, etc.

Then practice about a gajillion times until you don't have to think about it any more.

pax
 
An acronym?

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Nope, that won't work.

Pithy phrases?

  • Bent wrist
  • Low grip
  • Sticky fingers
  • Dropping the gun

Hmmm, suppose we could try the positives instead?

  • Straight wrist
  • High grip
  • ... .... ummm, keep your fingers out of the way .... ...
  • Don't let go.


Ah, an acronym!

Straight wrist
High grip
Out of the way
Don't let go

Not great. Can you fix it?

pax
 
Straight, locked wrist
High grip
Off the slide
Off the stop
T...
... touch the gun?
... totally hold on, dude?
... tension in your hold?

Sigh. "Don't let go" pretty well sums it up. Still thinking.

Anyway, once you do come up with a diagnostic mnemonic, it'll be easy to run down the list as a trouble-shooting method. If that doesn't cure the problem, you can take the gun to a smith and be confident it's the gun and not the shooter. That's progress, right?

pax
 
i'd love to help the cause guys.....anyone live in las vegas that has some shooting experience wanna shoot my CZ 75B/40cal? i'd like to see if im just a loser of if my gun "SUCKS" LOL.
 
"Limping-wristing" ...

:evil:

Tragically, limp-wristing afflicts many Americans, including a percentage of those who shoot semi-automatic pistols. But the condition is ambiguous, as are the symptoms.

As often as not, limpwristing has been found to indicate:

a) an overly eager 9mm fanboy;

b) a resident of Massachusetts or the San Fransico area;

c) a John Kerry voter;

d) some combination of the above.

:neener:

(Just kidding :D )
 
OK folks,
I refired everything but the XD and the 228. Not able to borrow them today. Weapons were secured by holding them upright on the bench with 1 finger and thumb at the bottom of the grip. Triggers were actuated with a clothes pin. Second rounds in the mag. were replaced with dummies as the weapons were allowed to free recoil, thereby simulating the “limp wristâ€
Everything did Ok except the Jennings 22 and the Beretta 1934. The Jennings ran 19/20 and the 1934 went 18/20 They were both pretty dirty as they had been well lubed after cleaning the other day and they both ended up in the dirt early on. Neither liked being fired when full of Upper Yeso lapping compound.
Now I am out a total of 25 pistol cleanings and about 400 rds of ammo and a good bit of touch up bluing and there still ain’t no “limp wrist†malfunctions going on around here. Hope that satisfies everyone, I am not doing it again.

Moderator, Lock this thing up I am tired of cleaning pistols!

Sam
 
LOL hey sam wanna come fire my CZ75B......i'd really like an excuse to get a gun that works. as if thats not reason enough.
 
Sam, unless you were lifting up the gun with those two fingers and clothespins such that you added to the muzzle rise at the time you pulled the trigger, your experiment didn't cover the scope of the question.
It isn't the grip, its the movement of the wrist upwards immediately following the trigger break. You would have to time it so your wrist breaks up at the same time the muzzle begins to rise. It's not easy to do if you shoot properly.

The analogy I thought of was when I played volleyball, you would control a kill shot by contacting the ball on your forearms while you were moving your arms backwards. It took the momentum off the ball and it wouldn't bounce off your arms, you would control it. With limp wristing, by moving the wrists up (or snapping up at your elbows) , you are taking the momentum away from the slide and transfering some to your arms by the movement.

Maybe the problem is with the name, limp wristing. It could be called "snap wristing."
 
Okay, if I remember my statistical training from Reed College correctly, we now discard Sam's findings because they don't fit our preconceived outcome and continue testing until we get more amenable results.

Barring that, we start faking data. :evil:
 
Thanks for your effort Sam.

Especially the repeated cleaning. I'll try to get to the range with my stuff and those borrowed Glocks and see what I can come up with. If I get repeatable failures I'll try for some digi video for analysis.
 
Kruzr,
Every one experienced what you might call extreme muzzle lift. They cartwheeled to the rear, the fortunate ones being captured in the rug a couple ended up in the dirt and a couple on concrete. No problem with rotary motion upwards and to the rear.

Sam
 
Hmmmm.

Not going to discard Sam's data, 'specially after all that hard work.

Not willing to discard my own data, either -- nor Kruzr's testimony.

Is there another variable we're missing? Elbows, perhaps?

pax
 
... unless you were lifting up the gun with those two fingers and clothespins such that you added to the muzzle rise at the time you pulled the trigger...
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The description of conditions appears that the firearms were basically free-wheeling with the pivot point being the heel edge of the grip.

Are we maybe looking for a larger radius - such that would be the case if one was allowing one's elbows to pivot freely on firing? Picture firm wrist but "loose" elbow? Maybe a combination of the two - breaking wrist concurrent with elbows bending the forearm upwards under recoil?

I've got an alloy frame CDP I'll try over the weekend.

Figures that when we're trying to induce a malf, it's proving elusive.
 
What we need to do is open a range and get some renters in there.

Now I'm just brainstorming til I get to the range, which I guess will need to be tomorrow. So this is useless guessing, maybe things to try.

What if it is a combined motion by the shooter?

The weapon fires, the wrist breaks starting the absorbtion, then the shooter clamps down or maybe starts pushing back down. Like a delayed flinch.

Or, like was said, the additional, slightly later absorbtion of the elbows. A two stage effect that'll interrupt "proper" recoil at two times in two parts of the cycle.
 
How's this for a "limp wrist" prevention acronym?

G rab High
R igid Wrist
I mpedeless Thumb
P ersistant Hold
 
Kruzr,
Every one experienced what you might call extreme muzzle lift. They cartwheeled to the rear, the fortunate ones being captured in the rug a couple ended up in the dirt and a couple on concrete. No problem with rotary motion upwards and to the rear.
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Maybe I didn't explain it right. It's not the upward action of the gun. It's the upward action of the person holding the gun. The gun will take care of itself if it is timed right. The shooter HAS to remove momentum from the slide travelling backwards. The wrists help pull the gun up not just go for a ride with the muzzle flip. It's a purposeful motion upward of the wrist (or arms) that brings on the problem.
 
Let me get this theory correct:

Are saying that you believe a shooter can induce enough rearward motion to negate the energy imparted on the slide/operating mechanism? To in fact "out accelerate" the slide/operating mechanism? I'm sure I could build a fixture to test this but I will not even try. Don't think anyone could do that with their body. Meat don't move that fast.

Sam
 
Sam:
Yes and no. Not rearward, rather upward. Exactly what happened with my girl friend's SIG .380. The recoil would lift the gun fast enough to prevent the magazine spring from "catching up" with the gun. Stovepipe every time. I could never make it happen. Cuz I am a big burly, manly man.
 
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Sam,

I wouldn't call it "outrunning", I'd call it parallelling. Creating by motion and thus lack of resistance a "drag" effect on the recoil process.

Stealing some/enough momentum maybe?
 
Don't think you can do it. You'd have to be moving real real fast.

Calling all rocket scientists and physiologists is this physically possible?

Sam
 
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