What to do about goblins hanging out in front of my apartment?

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joey93turbo

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YES! Another real life livin-in-the-ghetto post from joey93turbo. I know alot of you have been waiting a long time. Unfortunately I don't have any exciting story this time, just need some advice.

For the last three night there's been a group of four or five goblins hanging out on the steps just to the left of my apartment. These steps are set back a couple feet from the sidewalk and very poorly lit. I've noticed they show up around the same time, after 10pm, and appear to be selling something (drugs, pirated DVD's/CD's, something else??) from their person and possibly a black land rover which they park right in front on the street, about 4 feet from the stairs. The stairs belong to a business and lead up to some other apartments and a walkway that goes next to my apartment unit.

The first night I saw them was Friday. My buddy was driving and the only available parking spot was RIGHT in front of them. I saw them but there was absolutely nowhere else to park, as we live next to a popular bar. We happened to have a keg in the back of the Mustang, we were throwing my buddy an Iraq homecoming party. So we park and I open my door to check the curb and one of the guys says "you alright dawg", referring to our distance from the curb. I was on the phone so I nodded my head as to say thanks. We wait for a bit, hoping they'd leave, then go back down to get the keg out of the car with three of our other friends who were in the house. They ask if they can come up and one of my buddies told em no that it was just a small get together.

All night they were asking everyone that walked up to our place if they could come up and party with us. Everyone either said no or just ignored them. Just so you know, these guys arent homeless, they're all dressed in expensive hiphop clothing. At one point in the night I could hear one of them talking on their cell saying "Yeah nigga, they got a full keg up there, you tryin to go kick it?". The night ended without incident.

Last night I saw them but had no interaction.

Tonight was the night that really bugged me. I was up in my room, waiting for the girl I'm seeing to come over. I realize she did a few things she shouldn't have, and I've already talked to her about them. She calls me from my front door and says "Joey, come open your door, now". I go down and she's kinda shaken up, says a group of guys hangin out on the stairs tried talking to her. She doesn't know what they said. She parked a little ways down the street about 15 feet from them, so there's no way she could've avoided them without being extremely obvious. I already told her she should have called me from her car and been paying attention to her surroundings so she could've picked a better parking spot. So she comes up and we're hanging out. I hear the guys being loud down on the stairs and see multiple cars come, stop, then leave. I'm not sure what they were doing but at one point I looked out my window to see them unloading three laptops from the Land Rover. It's about time for us to leave to head to her place and they're still there. I KNOW for a fact that there's no way to avoid interaction with them, and there's about ten of them now because other cars have dropped people off and/or parked. I really wasn't sure what to do, so I called the police non-emergency number and explained the situation to them. They basically said they're real busy tonight and they'll put it in the computer but they're not sure if an officer will be able to make it over anytime soon. We waited for another 15 mins then my roommate said "forget it, I'm gonna take the garbage down". He'd have to walk within 15 feet of them to do it. I offer to go down with him, then try to talk him out of it, he says no to both. He comes up and says they're no longer there, then Jenny and I leave.

Ok, so what would you guys do? I have a feeling they're going to be hangin out there again, and I need to know what to do about it. They harass just about every visitor I have to our apartment.
 
Call the Police from a pay phone. Tell them you drove by and saw 1-2 of them with guns. They will show ASAP. Do this a few times they will go away.

Kevin
 
Contact the business they're "doing business" in front of and let them know. Ask if they'd install a light and see if there's enough concern in your apartment building to pay for the installation. Point out that the group could lead to a break in and the light and the annoyed neighbors could be cheap security.
 
When you call from the pay phone

Also mention the possible drug sales. You seem to indicate that there's a fencing operation here, but some dept.s offer "kudos" of some sort for drug arrests due to our "war on drugs". A few cities I've lived in have. Cleveland, where I work, used to but suspended the program after the cops got a little overzealous on the east side.
 
Maybe you can buy some classical music, and crank up the Mozart? Convenience stores are starting to do this. No one trying to be cool wants to hang out where classical music is being played.

Depending on these goblins' level of "thug-nicity", though, this might not be the best option for you. Maybe stink up the area they're hanging out in during the day, say a couple gallons of sour milk poured out on the sidewalk? They move on, and you hose off the sidewalk after you outlast them.

Be safe.

Best,
John Bear Ross
 
I had somewhat similar issues with this when I lived in a complex in a mixed area of working people and professionals, with low income assisted housing people. Call it one of those "brilliant" social experiments urban planners and socialist types try to make, basically thinking that somehow by osmosis long term welfare types will somehow "get it" by being around aspiring professionals. The places were good, but were also near projects so "friends" from the other side would be there more than the old project housing they were in. The managment could care less, and would love getting HUD checks - I squeezed them like a lemon trying to get them to disclose the HUD % in these units after I found it was quite a bit more than the advertised 10%.

I had several incidents but not serious, even with a county sheriff's extension precinct a block away - not much was done. Officers knew the characters, but it is the constant challenge of LE in these areas, and normal people are caught in the middle - some being the victims. Yeah - not great to have the woman folk coming around, they will tend to avoid doing that after an incident. :scrutiny:

Anyway, your situation is a difficult one. Keep in mind, you live and park your car there. Unless you plan on moving soon, you got to keep it on the under and be anonymous about working against them. Are you sure none of these people are not connected in anyway with someone who lives in your area? This can cause more issues as you deal with them. I think you will hear good advice here, get officers more patrolling and responding, LEAN HARD on the property management and even get neighbors involved in working with you. Basically making more of a hassle for them to loiter and sling their dope there than somewhere else is your goal. Whatever that can be used. See if you can't get any pictures or video to provide LE, BUT again don't be caught as the snitch.
 
stink bombs, the little ones in the small glass "crack" vials. drop a few out the window just before you think they will show up. Last about 1-2 hrs, I think its sulfer based. I cant remember who sells them But If I find it, I will post the seller.
 
Send a letter to the Manager and CC a copy to the owner, Management Company and HUD. In the letter explain that they are not providing for the security of your apartment and that they are contributing to the increased danger, by their inaction.

Inform them that the complex is poorly lit, has no security guards or cameras, and that management is allowing non-residents to engage in gang activity on their property and that you fear for your safety. Also mention that if they disclose your name, you will hold them personally and financially responsible.

This is putting the monkey on their backs because they would not be able to claim that they didn’t know about the problem and Juries award big bucks as punitive damages, when it can be proved that they had prior knowledge.

PS: you must CC the list I gave you, because the name of the game is deniability. Just phone calls or face to face will not do. You should probably send it Certified Mail, you can get the name of the head of the "State Field Office" on the Internet that’s the guy who WILL get the monkey off his back in a big way.
 
Ok, so what would you guys do? I have a feeling they're going to be hangin out there again, and I need to know what to do about it. They harass just about every visitor I have to our apartment.
Move
 
Maybe you can buy some classical music, and crank up the Mozart? Convenience stores are starting to do this. No one trying to be cool wants to hang out where classical music is being played.

Ha! That sounds like the best idea I've heard in a long time. Or try some good jazz.
 
Call the Police from a pay phone. Tell them you drove by and saw 1-2 of them with guns.

Great idea :rolleyes: .

People wonder why cops believe they can tell someone is lying - because their lips are moving.

Call the cops. Give them physical, clothing, and vehicle descriptions, but don't lie. Let them know it's an ongoing problem. Keep calling if you need to. The harassment of the mopes will drive them elsewhere.
 
Your city shold have an anynomous reporting line for this sort of thing.

1-800-BE-A-HERO is what I saw advertised on billboards last time I was out that way. Not entirely clear to me if that was for reporting supicious neighbors or just minor traffic infractions though.

Sounds to me like you need a less densely populated area to live in Joey.
 
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Maybe you can buy some classical music, and crank up the Mozart? ...... No one trying to be cool wants to hang out where classical music is being played
Yep; good thug repellent. Scottish Pipes & Drums - The Ladies from Hell (Blackwatch) would probably work well too :D
 
Drive around town, buy a few $100 worth of drugs, place in can/under rocks right by where they hang out. (Be carefull not to leave any fingerprints), and then call the cops and say that there is a gang selling drugs to kids, and that they have guns.
Problem solved. :)
 
Most larger sporting goods stores will carry things like "skunk screen" which, when sprinkled about, will make an area undesirable as a hangout.

Piping music outside? Forget Mozart, forget bagpipes, think something REALLY obnoxious like opera, or even Slim Whitman or Barry Manilow. ;)
 
It must be a fencing operation - three laptops?? Rapper programmers?

Wait until they come up with the rover filled with stolen goods, then call the cops and report the activity, mentioning they also look a bit high. Cops drop on them, get them for fencing and with any luck, for illegal possession, resisting arrest, assault, etc.

In any case, you have to act. Move or stand your ground, but in any case you have a problem that will not go away by itself. Why wait until they get drunk/high and assault your gf?
 
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