What to do with a gun you can’t get parts for

[daniel craig]

Maybe here?

https://www.apexgunparts.com/rifles/22-rifles/romanian-m1969-magazine-fed.html

It’s funny because I checked them first and they have every part that you could possibly want except the one I need LOL

 

[CoalCrackerAl]

Bummers.

 

[Bfh_auto]

It’s gone in the long grass of a field I was shooting in. I’ll try to go back with a magnet next week.

I doubt it will work in tall grass. But it might.

 

[dirtman]

maybe take a metal detector and a weed whip... trim the grass and then use the metal detector... good luck

 

[BWS]

I'd make them,to answer the post title.

What's the retainer look like? Do you have a schematic showing the MIA part?

 

[daniel craig]

I'd make them,to answer the post title.

What's the retainer look like? Do you have a schematic showing the MIA part?

Let me see if I can find a schematic.

It’s the spring retainer

http://thisoldrifle.com/romanian1969/disassemble/pdf/roman22hs.pdf

 

[Ignition Override]

How to Disassemble and Reassemble the Romanian M69 Trainer's Bolt - Muzzle First

It might be the tiny part near the spring in the first/upper photo.

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I did Not spot a "Military Trainer" or 'Romanian Rifle" forum.

 

[MacAR]

Looking at that part, I don't see why you couldn't make it. Looks like something I could hack out in the shop with a drill, hacksaw, and a couple files. Don't have to be pretty, just has to work. Failing that, oil it up and be patient; one will come along.

Mac

 

[jmorris]

Let me see if I can find a schematic.

It’s the spring retainer

http://thisoldrifle.com/romanian1969/disassemble/pdf/roman22hs.pdf

Yeah, I wouldn’t chunk a gun for that little part. Without one, it would take some measuring of the parts that are left but it’s not a complicated part even compared to the other parts in the photo.

It reminded me of the drive cam I made for one of my resetting targets, I didn’t know exactly what I wanted/needed so to keep from wasting a lot of time machining steel that may or may not work, I built a prototype from plastic.



Once I was confident the design would do the job, I then machined one from steel.



On that note, if you can make one out of plastic that could be copied, mail it to me with a return envelope and I’ll make you a steel one.

 

[daniel craig]

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Yeah, I wouldn’t chunk a gun for that little part. Without one, it would take some measuring of the parts that are left but it’s not a complicated part even compared to the other parts in the photo.

It reminded me of the drive cam I made for one of my resetting targets, I didn’t know exactly what I wanted/needed so to keep from wasting a lot of time machining steel that may or may not work, I built a prototype from plastic.

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Once I was confident the design would do the job, I then machined one from steel.

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On that note, if you can make one out of plastic that could be copied, mail it to me with a return envelope and I’ll make you a steel one.

I can definitely try that but I have nowhere near the skills to even make a copy for you to use.

 

[Meeks36]

Get ya one of those 800lb magnets. Works great but can be a pain to get things unstuck from it. But it’ll pick it up. Along w a bunch of other stuff.

 

[theotherwaldo]

-Looks like something that could be welded up in a few minutes from a few bits of scrap.

 

[rust collector]

I would try borrowing a metal detector if I knew someone with a good one and some experience. That would localize for a magnetic scan. May even be able to use one of those magnetic nail pickups.

Next up would be taking a nut of suitable size, drilling out the center to the needed size, and grinding off all the parts that did not look like a spring retainer. A bit of file work to clean it up and you will be back in business. It might be expedient to braze or silver solder a pin of appropriate size to the nut to save machining time.

 

[rust collector]

Looking at the procedure for disassembling the bolt, it is easy to see how the retainer could be launched! http://thisoldrifle.com/romanian1969/disassemble/pdf/roman22hs.pdf

Does the lug on the side do anything other than keep the retainer from turning? Is that essential?

Good luck!

 

[Rule3]

-Looks like something that could be welded up in a few minutes from a few bits of scrap.

Got to have a exact measurement or a actual sample, plus someone to weld it in a few minutes
But if one had a sample they wouldn't need to make one!

 

[theotherwaldo]

Not really.
From what I can see, you have a thick sliding washer that needs to slide smoothly on a shaft and fit in a cavity, and a short section of rectangular stock that is welded on the side and filed to fit.
It doesn't look like it needs to be hardened or that it takes much impact.
Mild steel and oxyacetylene welding should do the job.

 

[jmorris]

Got to have a exact measurement or a actual sample, plus someone to weld it in a few minutes
But if one had a sample they wouldn't need to make one!

That’s the rub, not a difficult part to make but a lot of ways to make one that won’t work.

 

[daniel craig]

Looking at the procedure for disassembling the bolt, it is easy to see how the retainer could be launched! http://thisoldrifle.com/romanian1969/disassemble/pdf/roman22hs.pdf

Does the lug on the side do anything other than keep the retainer from turning? Is that essential?

Good luck!

Yeah it’s actually set up that doesn’t really make a whole lot of sense to me. Even from a simplicity standpoint.

 

[daniel craig]

Not really.
From what I can see, you have a thick sliding washer that needs to slide smoothly on a shaft and fit in a cavity, and a short section of rectangular stock that is welded on the side and filed to fit.
It doesn't look like it needs to be hardened or that it takes much impact.
Mild steel and oxyacetylene welding should do the job.

I’d spend more buying the tools trying to make this than I would just buying a new gun LOL

 

[rust collector]

Measure inside diameter, outside diameter, and projection. 3d print it.
If it works, use the piece to sand cast more for sale to others in the same boat.

 

[jmorris]

I’d spend more buying the tools trying to make this than I would just buying a new gun LOL

I give it a good home and post step by step photos, making the part…

 

[MySuomi]

I suffer from a debilitating disease. When an old gun breaks I typically will look for a cheap poor condition replacement to scavenge the parts I need from it. But, that is not the disease. The problem is that I then want to get the replacement gun (now missing that specific part which is on the original) up and going. So, I have this wonderful psychotic cycle going. I have actually bought a 3rd one to fix the 2nd in a several cases.

It's a terrible condition.

 

[wesmonster]

I say don’t give up. There’s been quite a few parts I’ve been lacking for a few years that either eventually came back in stock at Numrich or turned up on eBay.

Also find if there’s other models that share parts.

RimfireCentral is an excellent forum for info and has a dedicated section for military trainers. Best place to start.

 

[lysanderxiii]

I searched for twelve years of an extractor for Sauer 38h.

Parts will eventually turn up . . . . or you can make them.

 

[lsudave]

What to do with a gun you can’t get parts for

Keep it and wait.

If you enjoy collecting and shooting certain types of firearms, there's not much that compares to the satisfaction you will get when you FINALLY locate what you need, and get that gun running. The longer it takes, the better the payoff.