ysr_racer
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Stay out of it? Get new friends? Stop hanging around with drama queens?
Pick one.
What would you do?
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Pick one.
Dionysusigma
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I'd persuade him to get a 12ga pump. Better for home defense than a .22. OC spray to keep on himself at all times.
Maybe a drastic change in appearance (if possible.) Shave facial hair, get a different hairstyle, etc. Different clothing style. Maybe a move to a different house/ apartment. He can try looking for a new job, and go to different stores, gas stations, restaurants, etc. And the sooner, the better. From the way you put it, it doesn't sound like the police are going to be much help.
HTH...
Maybe a drastic change in appearance (if possible.) Shave facial hair, get a different hairstyle, etc. Different clothing style. Maybe a move to a different house/ apartment. He can try looking for a new job, and go to different stores, gas stations, restaurants, etc. And the sooner, the better. From the way you put it, it doesn't sound like the police are going to be much help.
HTH...
chaim
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Well, I told him that a shotgun is probably the best way to go, but I understand his choice. It is cheaper (a decent .22 rifle can be had for just under $100 and he is currently unemployed), ammo is cheap, with some practice and at HD ranges one can be quite accurate with a .22 so it is certainly better than nothing, and he is hiding well enough that he really only needs it for the comfort factor anyway and he is comfortable with the idea of a .22 rifle.
XavierBreath
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ysr-racer said it best.
Stay out of it? Get new friends? Stop hanging around with drama queens?
Pick one.
With friends like these you don't need many enemies. I darned sure would not loan him a gun. Your friend is responsible for himself and his own choices. You will be held responsible for your own, like it or not. it's a tough world, but it pays to have friends who know how to stay out of trouble or at least cut their losses.
I haven't met a cop yet who was unwilling to take down an attacker who had a warrant out on him. Something does not sound right. I think you are getting a bit of BS along with a bit of truth. The foundation of friendship is truth, and this fellow does not sound like a friend. Don't let yourself be taken advantage of. If your "friend" was any kind of a man, and had the brain of an adult, he could take care of this without your help. If he was a friend, he would want you to stay uninvolved. Be a friend to yourself first. Otherwise you may very well be making new friends in a cell.
Stay out of it? Get new friends? Stop hanging around with drama queens?
Pick one.
With friends like these you don't need many enemies. I darned sure would not loan him a gun. Your friend is responsible for himself and his own choices. You will be held responsible for your own, like it or not. it's a tough world, but it pays to have friends who know how to stay out of trouble or at least cut their losses.
I haven't met a cop yet who was unwilling to take down an attacker who had a warrant out on him. Something does not sound right. I think you are getting a bit of BS along with a bit of truth. The foundation of friendship is truth, and this fellow does not sound like a friend. Don't let yourself be taken advantage of. If your "friend" was any kind of a man, and had the brain of an adult, he could take care of this without your help. If he was a friend, he would want you to stay uninvolved. Be a friend to yourself first. Otherwise you may very well be making new friends in a cell.
Ouch, bad situation.
Couple thoughts from various posts:
>>>>There is a chance (albeit, likely to be small) that he could look for me in order to try to find my friend.
I believe my dad had a similar choice about 20 years ago when he had an issue with a couple folks. If you do decide to carry, drive the speed limit, etc., for a while.
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>>>>See about a court restraining order against the bad guy. It won't stop him, but it will give the police more grounds to act if he shows up. You might consider such an order for you and your home.
I think this has already been addressed by another post about an arrest warrant out for the guy, I just had one thing to add.
Keep in mind that when you take out a restraining order you have to use your own name and address. Unless I’m wrong (and I’m not an expert on Maryland law), this restraining order must be served on the perp. In chaim’s case, you’ve just told him who you are, where you live, and that you are intimately involved in the situation. You are now definitely a target, if he is hunting.
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>>>>>after nearly a 10 year hiatus he is finally returning to college next semester and he doesn't want to put that off again.
Once he is registered at school, won’t that information be rather publicly available? Many schools have phone books with all the students’ names. Can’t recall if it shows up on credit reports, but I suspect student loans would. I’m guessing that returning to school would make it very easy to find him. At the very least he should talk to the administrators at the school about the problem, and try to ensure that his name isn't public anywhere.
Bad things happen some times, and it’s not fair. If he is really trying to hide from this guy, than school isn’t an option, IMHO. Not fair, but neither is the rest of life. You still have to deal with the reality of it.
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>>>>He has even shut off his cell phone and is borrowing someone else's that no one at his work has the number to, though I don't see how that really does anything.
It’s not likely the cell phone could be a problem, but hey, if you’ve already quit your job, moved from home, and are in hiding, it isn’t a big deal to drop your phone. ;-)
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Couple thoughts from various posts:
>>>>There is a chance (albeit, likely to be small) that he could look for me in order to try to find my friend.
I believe my dad had a similar choice about 20 years ago when he had an issue with a couple folks. If you do decide to carry, drive the speed limit, etc., for a while.
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>>>>See about a court restraining order against the bad guy. It won't stop him, but it will give the police more grounds to act if he shows up. You might consider such an order for you and your home.
I think this has already been addressed by another post about an arrest warrant out for the guy, I just had one thing to add.
Keep in mind that when you take out a restraining order you have to use your own name and address. Unless I’m wrong (and I’m not an expert on Maryland law), this restraining order must be served on the perp. In chaim’s case, you’ve just told him who you are, where you live, and that you are intimately involved in the situation. You are now definitely a target, if he is hunting.
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>>>>>after nearly a 10 year hiatus he is finally returning to college next semester and he doesn't want to put that off again.
Once he is registered at school, won’t that information be rather publicly available? Many schools have phone books with all the students’ names. Can’t recall if it shows up on credit reports, but I suspect student loans would. I’m guessing that returning to school would make it very easy to find him. At the very least he should talk to the administrators at the school about the problem, and try to ensure that his name isn't public anywhere.
Bad things happen some times, and it’s not fair. If he is really trying to hide from this guy, than school isn’t an option, IMHO. Not fair, but neither is the rest of life. You still have to deal with the reality of it.
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>>>>He has even shut off his cell phone and is borrowing someone else's that no one at his work has the number to, though I don't see how that really does anything.
It’s not likely the cell phone could be a problem, but hey, if you’ve already quit your job, moved from home, and are in hiding, it isn’t a big deal to drop your phone. ;-)
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chaim
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There wasn't a warrant until my friend filed charges (the guy was out on parole). That is why this guy may be after my friend. The police didn't want to sort out who was responsible for starting it, and according to witnesses other than my friend, seemed intimidated and scared of the guy after he started threatening the police so they choose the easier way.
XavierBreath
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Quote" There wasn't a warrant until my friend filed charges (the guy was out on parole). That is why this guy may be after my friend. The police didn't want to sort out who was responsible for starting it, and according to witnesses other than my friend, seemed intimidated and scared of the guy after he started threatening the police so they choose the easier way."
I'm trying to picture this....... at least two cops walk in on a bar scene where a man was strangled into unconciousness, then kicked as he regained conciousness and by a man out on parole at that. The attacker then proceeds to threaten the police in such a manner that they decide to just say have a nice day and leave?
Even when the cops cannot figure out a thing, they will arrest everyone until they can sort it out. Why did the bar owner not press charges? Isn't there a city ordinance against drunk and disorderly conduct?
Maybe your friend needs to marry a three hundred pound female wrestler to do his fighting for him. My former statement still applies.........drama queens do not good friends make.
If you are going to mess with a grizzly, have the ability to kill it first.
I'm trying to picture this....... at least two cops walk in on a bar scene where a man was strangled into unconciousness, then kicked as he regained conciousness and by a man out on parole at that. The attacker then proceeds to threaten the police in such a manner that they decide to just say have a nice day and leave?
Even when the cops cannot figure out a thing, they will arrest everyone until they can sort it out. Why did the bar owner not press charges? Isn't there a city ordinance against drunk and disorderly conduct?
Maybe your friend needs to marry a three hundred pound female wrestler to do his fighting for him. My former statement still applies.........drama queens do not good friends make.
If you are going to mess with a grizzly, have the ability to kill it first.
Baba Louie
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Chaim,
Did I read you right and is the BG in question on PAROLE???
Holy Haysus man, call his P.O. with a copy of any police report or certified witness statements and let them do their job.
Should your buddy need anything more, have him file the R.O. to get his paperwork in line.
Its probably too late now but did buddy go to a Doctor to see what affect, if any, the assault on him had.
And tell your friend to have:
Plan A. Be careful what you say to inebriated ex-convict types while hanging out in bars or make friends with big bar bouncer types.
Plan B. Learn to defend self better than he did or learn to run when needed.
Plan C. Be prepared to exit the scene (vacation in the Keys sounds good) while things cool down.
Plan D. Get a hunting license and the requisite 12 ga pump and practice.
But even if BG's P.O. does pop him back into an institution for a little more time due to assault/battree, tell buddy that:
a. BG will get out someday...
b. BG still has associates on the outside...
c. good old Chaim ain't always gonna be there and probably doesn't want to always be there...
This advice is worth what you paid for it... but most Parole Officers don't like their charges to go around causing potential death and mayhem.
Did I read you right and is the BG in question on PAROLE???
Holy Haysus man, call his P.O. with a copy of any police report or certified witness statements and let them do their job.
Should your buddy need anything more, have him file the R.O. to get his paperwork in line.
Its probably too late now but did buddy go to a Doctor to see what affect, if any, the assault on him had.
And tell your friend to have:
Plan A. Be careful what you say to inebriated ex-convict types while hanging out in bars or make friends with big bar bouncer types.
Plan B. Learn to defend self better than he did or learn to run when needed.
Plan C. Be prepared to exit the scene (vacation in the Keys sounds good) while things cool down.
Plan D. Get a hunting license and the requisite 12 ga pump and practice.
But even if BG's P.O. does pop him back into an institution for a little more time due to assault/battree, tell buddy that:
a. BG will get out someday...
b. BG still has associates on the outside...
c. good old Chaim ain't always gonna be there and probably doesn't want to always be there...
This advice is worth what you paid for it... but most Parole Officers don't like their charges to go around causing potential death and mayhem.
Bus money to somewhere cheap until they pick this guy up and nothing more.
Joe Demko
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You're pal's story as he related it to you reeks of bee-ess. The events as related do not add up. Unless you owe him for previously saving your life (in which case you should demand the whole truth), you should just turn and walk away from this whole mess.
ysr_racer
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chaim, I don't want to bust your huevos, but a lot of this story just doesn't make sense. Take my advice and stay out of it.
OK! Someone has to say it!
This whole situation seems a bit contrived to me and is probably a troll.
The statement that clicked and fictionalized this whole thing for me is the statement that the guy was unconscious for 15 minutes, the BG's and everyone else thought the victim was dead, they all hung around with their thumbs up their a-s-s-es doing nothing and that 911 had been called.
First off you don't go unconscious for 15 minutes after being choked. You go unconscious while being choked due to 1) lack of oxygen, 2) lack of blood to the brain or both. In any event once oxygen and blood are restored (i.e. choking stops) you regain consciousness almost immediately. Was the victim's head pounded into the pavement? That could account for 15 minutes but not choking. But nowhere does chaim claim that the victim suffered blunt head trauma.
Now it's true that the police might take some time to get to some 911 calls but it's been my experience that if a genuine medical emergency coupled with a violent act occurs that the police arrive within just a couple of minutes along with an ambulance.
In addition it is very hard to believe that a BG "on Parole" would be stupid enough to hang around a scene where in chaim's own words the BG thought he'd killed the guy too. BG's are bad but most - even the dumbest - aren't so stupid as to hang around for 15 minutes after they think they might have killed someone.
And what the hell were all the onlookers doing while the guy was lying on the ground unconcious or as they all thought - dead? Not a single one of them took any action? Not a single one of them confronted the murderer? Not a single one of them did anything but stand there and gawk. Sorry - I don't buy that. In any crowd you've got a mix of cowards and the courageous, the dumb and the smart, those who act and those that don't. The crowd that chaim describes doesn't act like a crowd it acts more like background for a madeup scene not like a honest to god real life crowd would act.
Furthermore the statement that after the the police arrived they wouldn't arrest the BG because they were afraid of him is just plain ludicrous, pure fantasy. If one cop didn't think he could handle the arrest he'd have called for backup. If it was a small town and there wasn't any backup he'd have pulled his weapon on the BG and taken control that way. No way would a cop walk away from a situation like that without making an arrest - even after the fantasy friend woke up.
Chaim has postulated an interesting scenario that belongs in Strategy and Tactics as a what if - not here - presented as fact because the facts just don't add up - that or chaim lives in the most hosed up place in the USA with the dumbest and most cowardly cops and most mind numbed, heartless citizens around.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
This whole situation seems a bit contrived to me and is probably a troll.
The statement that clicked and fictionalized this whole thing for me is the statement that the guy was unconscious for 15 minutes, the BG's and everyone else thought the victim was dead, they all hung around with their thumbs up their a-s-s-es doing nothing and that 911 had been called.
First off you don't go unconscious for 15 minutes after being choked. You go unconscious while being choked due to 1) lack of oxygen, 2) lack of blood to the brain or both. In any event once oxygen and blood are restored (i.e. choking stops) you regain consciousness almost immediately. Was the victim's head pounded into the pavement? That could account for 15 minutes but not choking. But nowhere does chaim claim that the victim suffered blunt head trauma.
Now it's true that the police might take some time to get to some 911 calls but it's been my experience that if a genuine medical emergency coupled with a violent act occurs that the police arrive within just a couple of minutes along with an ambulance.
In addition it is very hard to believe that a BG "on Parole" would be stupid enough to hang around a scene where in chaim's own words the BG thought he'd killed the guy too. BG's are bad but most - even the dumbest - aren't so stupid as to hang around for 15 minutes after they think they might have killed someone.
And what the hell were all the onlookers doing while the guy was lying on the ground unconcious or as they all thought - dead? Not a single one of them took any action? Not a single one of them confronted the murderer? Not a single one of them did anything but stand there and gawk. Sorry - I don't buy that. In any crowd you've got a mix of cowards and the courageous, the dumb and the smart, those who act and those that don't. The crowd that chaim describes doesn't act like a crowd it acts more like background for a madeup scene not like a honest to god real life crowd would act.
Furthermore the statement that after the the police arrived they wouldn't arrest the BG because they were afraid of him is just plain ludicrous, pure fantasy. If one cop didn't think he could handle the arrest he'd have called for backup. If it was a small town and there wasn't any backup he'd have pulled his weapon on the BG and taken control that way. No way would a cop walk away from a situation like that without making an arrest - even after the fantasy friend woke up.
Chaim has postulated an interesting scenario that belongs in Strategy and Tactics as a what if - not here - presented as fact because the facts just don't add up - that or chaim lives in the most hosed up place in the USA with the dumbest and most cowardly cops and most mind numbed, heartless citizens around.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it!
ysr_racer
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Werewolf, I'm wit chew on this one.
hansolo
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Although we Americans have the right to expression, the two above posters show no class by throwing mud at a THR member, Chaim, sho is articulate and posts here a lot. Why would Chaim risk his credibility by posting a lie? Maybe the two genius's who tried Chaim in a kangaroo court can answer that one....and, don't the THR rules say someting about "...not attack another member?"
igor
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Chaim is an established handle here! That should speak enough against him/her trolling on this. Too many details in the story don't add up, though.
My take is, this "friend" of Chaim's is feeding BS. I'd walk away.
My take is, this "friend" of Chaim's is feeding BS. I'd walk away.
hansolo stated quite incorrectly:
I attacked no one. I did however question the authenticity of Chaim's claims and laid out clearly and logically why claim by claim.
I stand by my analysis of Chaim's story. Too much of what he says just doesn't ring true. The story is in my opinion a TROLL.
You - hansolo have broken the very rule you claim incorrectly that I have broken with both your sarcastic tone and verbage. Pot - meet kettle!
I attacked no one. I did however question the authenticity of Chaim's claims and laid out clearly and logically why claim by claim.
I stand by my analysis of Chaim's story. Too much of what he says just doesn't ring true. The story is in my opinion a TROLL.
You - hansolo have broken the very rule you claim incorrectly that I have broken with both your sarcastic tone and verbage. Pot - meet kettle!
chaim
Member
I'm sorry, I didn't realize it was acceptable to call someone a liar. I always thought that was a personal attack.
While you didn't use the word "lie" or "liar" you did call my situation "fictionalized" and a fantasy and you called me a troll. Not much different from calling me a liar. Your accusations are offensive in the extreme! I respectively demand an apology!
You sir don't have any right to say or imply that I am a liar or dishonest in any way. You don't know me. If you did you would know how absurd such a charge is. I am a very religious man and take my honesty very seriously (and I don't take attacks on my honesty lightly).
I have been on this forum for quite some time. If you look over my many past posts you will see that I am honest. I do not have a pattern of trolling (I've never "trolled" once), when possible I post sources (when posting about a news story) and I hope that I have a general reputation on this board for being a thoughtful and intelligent member. I would not risk my reputation (nor my place in olam habah, the world to come) to lie or "troll" on an internet forum.
I would agree that it was odd that the police wouldn't arrest the guy. That is why my friend has filed a complaint against the officers who responded. Your claim that police would have arrested the guy and since they didn't I must be lying...Haven't you run across people in your life who were shirkers, who took the easy way and were just plain lazy? If not I guess you have never managed other people and you have never dealt much with people in customer service type jobs. Do you think police are immune to laziness? You really believe that police always do their job and never ignore policies, proceedures or common sense? If so, I'm sorry you are that nieve.
As for some of your points, well, I only posted what I considered relevant to my question and situation. Why did they stick around? I'm not a mindreader but I have been told that the BG and his buddies started going after anyone who came within reach after my friend went unconscious. As for it not being possible to black out after being strangled, I call BS on that. If deprived of oxygen long enough it certainly can take a few minutes before you come to (and it did in this situation). There is a difference between a choker hold and strangling, and my friend was strangled (he had buises on his neck and his neck still hurts)
For those who are more diplomatic and only suggest my friend is lying to me... I considered that, there are other witnesses however and I called and checked with his boss- the story is more or less as was related to me.
Ryder
Member
I don't think it is odd at all. I've personally seen the relatives of police or politicians get caught breaking laws and walk without an arrest.
ojibweindian
Member
chaim is not trolling.
He's a long time member here, and was one at TFL.
Maybe certain people should be somewhat more careful about throwing around accusations; it would spare them, and us, pathetic displays of bad behavior.
chaim, this "friend" of yours is feeding you a steaming crock of smelly stuff. For your own safety, sever all ties to him as quickly as possible.
He's a long time member here, and was one at TFL.
Maybe certain people should be somewhat more careful about throwing around accusations; it would spare them, and us, pathetic displays of bad behavior.
chaim, this "friend" of yours is feeding you a steaming crock of smelly stuff. For your own safety, sever all ties to him as quickly as possible.
Chaim Demanded:
Well - I respectfully decline to apologize.
Your story makes no sense and I pointed out why in a straightforward and logical manner. The fact that you've been posting on THR for a long time is completely irrelevant to my analysis of your claims.
You're right that I don't know you but I do know what you've written. If you don't want people to question your credibility then don't write stuff that doesn't make any sense when examined with anything other than a trusting eye.
However, I will state that it is very possible that you believe what your friend has told you and suggest that you either make bad choices when it comes to friends, are blindly loyal to your friends (not a bad thing - usually) or are just gullible.
With that said I believe we should drop this before it gets out of hand.
Well - I respectfully decline to apologize.
Your story makes no sense and I pointed out why in a straightforward and logical manner. The fact that you've been posting on THR for a long time is completely irrelevant to my analysis of your claims.
You're right that I don't know you but I do know what you've written. If you don't want people to question your credibility then don't write stuff that doesn't make any sense when examined with anything other than a trusting eye.
However, I will state that it is very possible that you believe what your friend has told you and suggest that you either make bad choices when it comes to friends, are blindly loyal to your friends (not a bad thing - usually) or are just gullible.
With that said I believe we should drop this before it gets out of hand.
ojibweindian
Member
You know what, Werewolf, not a bad idea.
You should stop before things get out of hand.
You should stop before things get out of hand.
ysr_racer
Member
Werewolf, I'm still with you on this one. Something doesn't add up. I stick by my original advice.
Stay out of it? Get new friends? Stop hanging around with drama queens?
Pick one.
Stay out of it? Get new friends? Stop hanging around with drama queens?
Pick one.
BowStreetRunner
Member
back on to the original topic......
DO NOT loan him a shootin iron
a prosecutor could construe that as giving you criminal liability if he uses it in an illegal way
BSR
DO NOT loan him a shootin iron
a prosecutor could construe that as giving you criminal liability if he uses it in an illegal way
BSR
chaim
Member
For those who are suggesting that I get rid of my friend, I do understand but that isn't always such an easy option. I'm not 21, this isn't a fishing or drinking buddy. While we aren't like brothers, but we are fairly good friends.
I've known him since I was 17, I am now 33, that is 16 years. In that time we have both been there to support each other during good times and hard times. We've both emotionally and financially helped each other out through unemployment periods. Given emotional support over women. Provided mutual support over discharges from the military when we wanted that to be our careers (my discharge was from the Army after basic due to a bad ankle, his was from the Coast Guard after a few months on a boat due to severe sea sickness and other health developments after having made it through around a year of training). He isn't one of my two closest friends who are like brothers to me, and I wouldn't die for him, but he is a close friend and I am willing to take some risks for him (again, I am not lending him any guns- he is too immature).
Anyway, despite all that we (another close friend and myself) are considering it. We are using this as his last chance. We know this friend well enough, that even before we checked with his former boss, that the story was probably more or less as he related it, however once the one guy started verbally going after him he probably wasn't as passive as he should have been and suggested he was (likely he gave back verbally as well as he took and may have escalated, or at least didn't diffuse, the situation). We think/hope that this might have scared him enough that he might smarten up. However, if he does anything stupid again that gets him into trouble (legal or physical) then we will be dropping him- we don't want to get in a situation where he does something stupid when we are around and he brings us down with him.
I've known him since I was 17, I am now 33, that is 16 years. In that time we have both been there to support each other during good times and hard times. We've both emotionally and financially helped each other out through unemployment periods. Given emotional support over women. Provided mutual support over discharges from the military when we wanted that to be our careers (my discharge was from the Army after basic due to a bad ankle, his was from the Coast Guard after a few months on a boat due to severe sea sickness and other health developments after having made it through around a year of training). He isn't one of my two closest friends who are like brothers to me, and I wouldn't die for him, but he is a close friend and I am willing to take some risks for him (again, I am not lending him any guns- he is too immature).
Anyway, despite all that we (another close friend and myself) are considering it. We are using this as his last chance. We know this friend well enough, that even before we checked with his former boss, that the story was probably more or less as he related it, however once the one guy started verbally going after him he probably wasn't as passive as he should have been and suggested he was (likely he gave back verbally as well as he took and may have escalated, or at least didn't diffuse, the situation). We think/hope that this might have scared him enough that he might smarten up. However, if he does anything stupid again that gets him into trouble (legal or physical) then we will be dropping him- we don't want to get in a situation where he does something stupid when we are around and he brings us down with him.
XavierBreath
Member
I'm sticking to my original advice too, chaim.
Something about this scenerio just does not make sense. You may be blinded to that by your loyalty to your "friend", but it still does not make sense when spread out in the light of day. Even if it was rather in your face, I think Werewolf's analysis makes a lot of sense. It is understandable that you are just repeating what you were told since you were not present. You, yourself state that he is immature. Consider your story's source.
Your friend does have one very effective recourse. As previously stated, he should contact the BG's parole officer, and file attempted murder charges. I have to ask myself why he has not. If he is scared, does he think that NOT doing so will make the situation better for him?
He could and should also go spend $150 on a 12 gauge shotgun and ammo if he wants a gun. If he cannot afford that, then he can leave town, work a week at Burger King and get the money.
Back to my original advice though, don't loan him a gun, stay uninvolved, and make friends with people who are less histrionic. Your life will be a lot less stressful, and you will live longer.
Something about this scenerio just does not make sense. You may be blinded to that by your loyalty to your "friend", but it still does not make sense when spread out in the light of day. Even if it was rather in your face, I think Werewolf's analysis makes a lot of sense. It is understandable that you are just repeating what you were told since you were not present. You, yourself state that he is immature. Consider your story's source.
Your friend does have one very effective recourse. As previously stated, he should contact the BG's parole officer, and file attempted murder charges. I have to ask myself why he has not. If he is scared, does he think that NOT doing so will make the situation better for him?
He could and should also go spend $150 on a 12 gauge shotgun and ammo if he wants a gun. If he cannot afford that, then he can leave town, work a week at Burger King and get the money.
Back to my original advice though, don't loan him a gun, stay uninvolved, and make friends with people who are less histrionic. Your life will be a lot less stressful, and you will live longer.
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