whats with spray and pray?

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MRBORLAND

sorry I should have elaborated on it more.

when they guy is standing 25 yards from you wearing tan bdu with a tan t shirt and tan boots like hes a marine (could be, or maybe not) with an ar-15 and starts right off the rip dumping a 30rd mag maybe even bigger into the hillside and I see the spray going about 5-6ft around his target then it gets a little unnerving.

my buddy does this every time we go out, he wont sight his guns in and just slings lead as fast as he can and everyone looks at us like what the hell?

he did this with his AR, just stand up from the bench and sprayed the hillside. I said what was the point in that? ahhh its a combat gun its made to do that, um yeah if you are playing x box or something. I get it its fun and they haven't pointed a gun my way but one time but imo it makes people look bad. this range has a lot of guys that have 2k bolt guns and try and shoot tiny groups or check developed loads but when someone opens up like a tommy gun it takes your attention off what your doing. I have a guy right next to me shooting a 308 and it didn't bother my until Rambo dumped 2 30rds in 3 seconds.

when I see these guys I get a little nervous cause they want to brag how they are ready to fight isis, korea, whoever and the govt can come get some, etc. imo when at a public place and you walk in there like your going to war and dump 500rds in a matter of 5 minutes there's something wrong. if im at my buddies lets get it done and light up some stuff because its just me and him but with other people around have some consideration for safety and making people nervous.

I did have one time 2 guys who looked like gang bangers light up the same range, well it started raining and they packed up and got in the car so I walked down and put a target up because no one was using that area. I get half way down and I hear the bolt on an AR slam shut and turn around and see the guy messing with the gun while im down range so I yell to my buddy did I just hear a chamber slam shut? someone's about to get kicked out. I get back to the bench and I said are you guys ready cause we weren't. the guy thinks hes a real hard ass cause hes got a handgun on and a bounty hunter badge, then sprays the hillside. now tell me is this real life training? I have LEO firearms training and we are taught to shoot rapid fire for some drills but also make sure you hit whatever your aiming at because when you get all hopped up and do a mag dump muzzle rise and recoil is going to throw you off target and you can hurt someone else or worse. we train tac tac or double tap then hold on target to see if the threat is still engaging you. I don't think these guys are mag dumping for training, they are mag dumping saying look how bad ass I am with my AR, and army gear on. military and police don't go to the range looking like they are ready to go to war.
 
I'm much, much, much less worried about someone's rapid fire than someone's cluelessness with muzzle direction.
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I agree with this. Two days ago, I was at a nearby range and there was a guy banging away rapid-fire with a .50 Desert Eagle. Two minutes later, I look around and he's pointing the thing straight down the firing line as he's reloading. I've witnessed such behavior more and more frequently lately. It seems the popularity of firearms has outstripped the popularity of firearms safety. To get back on topic, in my experience there is a lot of overlap between the mag-dumping crowd and the no-muzzle-discipline crowd. Those groups aren't identical, to be sure, but there's significant overlap.
 
ohihunter2014 said:
MRBORLAND

sorry I should have elaborated on it more.

when they guy is standing 25 yards from you wearing tan bdu with a tan t shirt and tan boots like hes a marine (could be, or maybe not) with an ar-15 and starts right off the rip dumping a 30rd mag maybe even bigger into the hillside and I see the spray going about 5-6ft around his target then it gets a little unnerving.

my buddy does this every time we go out, he wont sight his guns in and just slings lead as fast as he can and everyone looks at us like what the hell?

he did this with his AR, just stand up from the bench and sprayed the hillside. I said what was the point in that? ahhh its a combat gun its made to do that, um yeah if you are playing x box or something. I get it its fun and they haven't pointed a gun my way but one time but imo it makes people look bad. this range has a lot of guys that have 2k bolt guns and try and shoot tiny groups or check developed loads but when someone opens up like a tommy gun it takes your attention off what your doing. I have a guy right next to me shooting a 308 and it didn't bother my until Rambo dumped 2 30rds in 3 seconds.

when I see these guys I get a little nervous cause they want to brag how they are ready to fight isis, korea, whoever and the govt can come get some, etc. imo when at a public place and you walk in there like your going to war and dump 500rds in a matter of 5 minutes there's something wrong. if im at my buddies lets get it done and light up some stuff because its just me and him but with other people around have some consideration for safety and making people nervous.

I did have one time 2 guys who looked like gang bangers light up the same range, well it started raining and they packed up and got in the car so I walked down and put a target up because no one was using that area. I get half way down and I hear the bolt on an AR slam shut and turn around and see the guy messing with the gun while im down range so I yell to my buddy did I just hear a chamber slam shut? someone's about to get kicked out. I get back to the bench and I said are you guys ready cause we weren't. the guy thinks hes a real hard ass cause hes got a handgun on and a bounty hunter badge, then sprays the hillside. now tell me is this real life training? I have LEO firearms training and we are taught to shoot rapid fire for some drills but also make sure you hit whatever your aiming at because when you get all hopped up and do a mag dump muzzle rise and recoil is going to throw you off target and you can hurt someone else or worse. we train tac tac or double tap then hold on target to see if the threat is still engaging you. I don't think these guys are mag dumping for training, they are mag dumping saying look how bad ass I am with my AR, and army gear on. military and police don't go to the range looking like they are ready to go to war.
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Well then it sounds like you have some armchair commandos visiting your range who think pulling a trigger is making them cool. Talk to the RO if you think unsafe behavior is taking place. If you don't feel endangered though, who cares if they are dumping ammo fast and then leaving. Does it make us look bad? Maybe, but it's a free country.

The good news is they have probably just burned all the ammo they have for a month or more.

Don't try to fix stupid. Don't wait for it to make sense either. That's a long wait for a train that never shows up.
 
Range/shop commandos are a different subject. They come in the full range from drum mag dumpers to slow fire "snipers".

If you have been shooting long enough and don't have at least a few range commando stories, you probably are one.
 
i tend to shoot with a buddy at his property and stay away from the public range as its 1.5hr away. buddy sold the land so now we are stuck at the public spot. but got some stories

other than the guy with his pants to his nipples with suspenders on, Wal-Mart holster sitting over his crotch that tells me I'm shooting handgun wrong I should shoot Israeli style cause its better than any police style to the group of Russians wearing fatigues with a small arsenal, to tan pants, shirt and boots wearing aviators like he's in top gun or something...

shorts and t shirt for me. no reason to wear all that crap. last time a guy had cuffs, handgun and bounty hunter badge, ak47, ar15 strutting around. I just SMH. I've even seen guys go as far as wearing tac vest. to me this just screams look at me me me.
 
ohihunter2014,

You seem overly concerned with the clothing people choose to wear. It's a gun forum, not a fashion blog.
 
This thread contains all the typical condesention you find when people behave differently than the OP.
The furthest fringe is proposed to be the norm.
Doesn't matter if it's OC, "spray and pray", magnumitis, or shooting past 300 yds the template is the same.
 
X-Rap said:
This thread contains all the typical condesention you find when people behave differently than the OP.
The furthest fringe is proposed to be the norm.
Doesn't matter if it's OC, "spray and pray", magnumitis, or shooting past 300 yds the template is the same.
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Amen.

As long as they are not pointing the muzzle in my direction and as long as they aren't telling me how to shoot, I don't even pay attention to other folks at the range.

I am also not sure why I would ever have a need to even take note of their boots or other clothing. What does that have to do with anything?
 
I don't care how they dress or how they choose to burn up their ammo, although there are some types that do amuse me.

I DO worry about general safety practices and hidden risks that sometimes come along with the blasting types. Long gashes in the turf in front of the firing line indicating what was known here as "strafing" otherwise magazine dumps from the hip. A rock or just a patch of hard ground could bounce some of those off the premises. And a lot of muzzle waving. Why DO these people turn around away from the target to load their guns?
 
It's not condescension, but a very valid concern that their range habits become their real life habits. I'll say it this way: if they spray and pray and end up killing a member of my family because they were too stupid or ignorant to aim, they'll be lucky if i can contain my anger enough to only sue them.

Someone should remind them that they legally own every shot they fire. Harming or killing bystanders (there is no excuse) for a civilian is not fun in court.

It's out of this very valid concern that we hope someone educates them before they go down a long legal road of hurt, should they mess up in real life.

I could care less what they wear so long as they are sufficiently clothed.
 
I don't care if they are naked, the reason I brought up the clothing thing is when you come to a range dressed like Rambo, have an array of military weapons, the lights are on but no bodies home. with the way things are going now days I think okay is he here to shoot? is he here to shoot us? is he training for a govt take over or to shoot some other place up.

guess I was just thinking out loud with that comment.
 
Personally I love the spray & pray guys. As long as they are shooting the same calibers I reload and leave their brass I am all for it . . . . I'll probably ask things like which one of you guys are faster?

Joking aside as long as safety is not an issue what difference does it make? You learn to shoot fast buy shooting fast. They may even get over the fast shooting and come around to the slow way. Bench rest ain't my thing, but you will never hear me be little it. Instead I try to learn everything I can from those guys.
 
ohihunter2014 said:
I don't care if they are naked, the reason I brought up the clothing thing is when you come to a range dressed like Rambo, have an array of military weapons, the lights are on but no bodies home. with the way things are going now days I think okay is he here to shoot? is he here to shoot us? is he training for a govt take over or to shoot some other place up. .
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Honestly you sound incredibly prejudiced, elitist, and paranoid when you say things like that. "The way things are going these days" is that crime is down significantly, military styles are popular due to 15 years of short victorious war, mass shootings per capita are down, but reporting is up due to continuing redefinition of the term to include fewer victims, the most "military" of mass shooters in recent memory was ardently pro-Obama and anti-gun in his politics, with much of his "manifesto" decrying how easy it is to buy weapons, et cetera.
 
eldon519 said:
You seem overly concerned with the clothing people choose to wear. It's a gun forum, not a fashion blog.
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Its all cumulative. Taken by itself, clothing isnt a huge deal. I could likely (at times) be mistaken for a homeless guy, so I try not to judge.
But add that tacti-clothing to a swaggering walk, poor firearm discipline, a loud mouth and nothing BUT mag dumps....and a lot can be fairly read into that.

Kinda like a hoodie in a gun store. By itself? Meh.

But put all those cues together and you have a "type" of which we all know, but easily dismiss on this thread because it wasnt with our own eyes.

I love to shoot as quickly as I can.....and stay on target. It does indeed take practice!
 
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