whats with spray and pray?

[misterarman]

It is easier to learn to shoot fast and then accurate as
opposed to shooting accurately and then learning to shoot fast

 

[Jeepergeo]

"Whatever floats their boat" is fine with me as long as their boat and wake stays away from me (I keep mine away from them).

The way I look at it, they increase the demand for ammo/firearms, companies form and grow to produce that ammo/firearms, and supply and demand ultimately benefits me.

 

[Ed Ames]

I have no real problem with them doing it as long as it is safe but imo it draws attention to them that isn't needed. the funny thing about it is they didn't hit the target it was like yeah call of duty...pew, pew pew pew pew.

my buddy broke out his semi auto and hit the target maybe 2 times in 20rds so jokingly i started shooting his target without him knowing it so he gets mad at me after i say im just trying to help ya, lol and begins to spray my target and hit it 1 time out of like 20. wasn't really bashing how anyone shoots i just didn't see the sense in laying down $30 worth of ammo as fast as you can.

It comes down to different values.

I have a friend who doesn't go shooting with me any more. I am "boring", especially when I break out things like c&b revolvers. His idea of how to shoot literally comes from watching "A Team" reruns.

I also have friends who will take $1500 to the seasonal fireworks stands they have here in Texas, and literally burn up that money in a single night.

I personally have no issue with someone dumping a magazine as fast as they can. I have done it, and will again..I must say that when I do it I still hit my target zone.

I practice shooting again as soon as I have a solid sight picture. Other people practice point shooting without reference to sights. Done safely I'm OK with that.

 

[Hookeye]

If the bullets hit the backstop, who gives a flip how fast they got there?

Not everybody who shoots fast sucks.

Not everybody who shoots slow is worth a damn either.

 

[jmorris]

Perfect answer right out of the gate.

They're having fun.

It's a hobby. It's supposed to be fun.

Why do you care so much how other folks shoot?

Quote:

 

[barnbwt]

"is it really that hard to get good accuracy out of semi autos? never messed with them, I like the safety and accuracy of a bolt gun."

Imagine in your mind's eye; over here is your problem...and over there is their problem. See the difference? Shooting isn't a Banzai-trimming exercise in meditation for a lot of --no, make that most folks. For most it's about having fun and making noise safely, while accidentally picking up some amount of skill along the way.

TCB

 

[jerkface11]

People doing mag dumps typically leave their brass. I'm all for that.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

but sprays bullets down range so fast you think the Taliban was shooting at him. within 5 min his 308 bolt gun was too hot to handle.

5 Minutes? Ha! That is a long time. I can do that inside of 2 minutes firing the range's required of a maximum of 1 round per second.

 

[minutemen1776]

I can understand. I guess I take my shooting more serious than a lot of people. I usually shoot more slowly, though I do practice rapid-fire from time to time. But I always utilize my sights and shoot for accuracy, regardless of my speed. For me, the focus is a huge part of the enjoyment. In that respect, a bunch of jokers in the next lane doing repeated mag dumps can get old. I try not to judge, but it's downright difficult when their big silhouette pistol targets look like they've been peppered with buckshot from long range. It's categorically worse when the mag dumps are accompanied by unsafe gun handling, which seems to be much more frequent with these overly casual shooters.

 

[X-Rap]

Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean there isn't a justifiable reason.
I already know how an individual gun groups if I am pushing my abilities and shooting faster than you might like. What your missing out on is knowing and preparing to be able to optimize you weapon.
Guns behave differently when pushed, so do people.

 

[ATLDave]

I'm not sure that analogy works. In bullseye we have both 20 second timed fire and 10 second rapid fire.

LOL! I don't shoot IDPA, but I do shoot another practical pistol sport (USPSA) and to compare the timed fire components of bullseye to the speed of practical pistol is just silly. It's like comparing a brisk walk to a full sprint.

 

[Axis II]

im fine with shooting however you want but do it at your private range and not a public range where people have to pay to shoot and there are tons of people.

that's what irritates me the most out of the whole situation.. I have screwed around at a private range but when your at a public spot you should exercise some common sense. when im sitting at the bench and here a gun go off like its full auto my attention goes to that.

 

[ATLDave]

Maybe double up on hearing protection. Should help you focus on what you want to focus on.

 

[gwpercle]

If you can't shoot accurately....then shot a lot and shoot fast.
New mindset. Daddy taught me to shoot with a single shot, and he only gave me one round, said you better make it count. Squirrel hunting with a single shot 22 and one round teaches you to pick your shot and make it count.
Last trip to the range both father and son, loaded 15 rounds in magazine, took aim and didn't stop pulling the trigger until slide locked back. Did this every time and they never went and looked at the target. They had no idea if they was hitting squat.
U-tube instruction video is how they learned to shoot I guess . I don't get it!
Gary

 

[kBob]

I thought this was going to be a thread about rattle cans and masking tape.

-kBob

 

[Ed Ames]

If you can't shoot accurately....then shot a lot and shoot fast.
New mindset. Daddy taught me to shoot with a single shot, and he only gave me one round, said you better make it count. Squirrel hunting with a single shot 22 and one round teaches you to pick your shot and make it count.
Last trip to the range both father and son, loaded 15 rounds in magazine, took aim and didn't stop pulling the trigger until slide locked back. Did this every time and they never went and looked at the target.

I remember my father getting upset at how quickly I emptied a magazine more than a few times. He was one who could shoot half a day and only fire 20 rounds. On the other hand he was one who would take loading gear to the range with him and make little notes as he loaded 5 cases with 50.1gr of powder, 5 with 50.2, etc., seeking the perfect load for that rifle.

I'm cut from a slightly different mold. I can get a kick out of loading black powder guns as I shoot, and I could even do the same with a cartridge gun if I had a Lee loader, but I also get enjoyment from seeing the sight drop back on target - seeing it, because I stay calm while an explosion takes place inches from my fingers - and pulling that trigger again.

I can generally maintain 100% controlled, aimed fire ... with smaller groups than most I see at the ranges ... more than fast enough to get me yelled at/kicked out of most public ranges, and I am nowhere near as fast as many competitive shooters.

 

[eldon519]

im fine with shooting however you want but do it at your private range and not a public range where people have to pay to shoot and there are tons of people.

that's what irritates me the most out of the whole situation.. I have screwed around at a private range but when your at a public spot you should exercise some common sense. when im sitting at the bench and here a gun go off like its full auto my attention goes to that.

As if we all just have access to a private range? You could just as easily flip the coin and say that if you can't handle others shooting around you for your deliberate target practice, you should go shoot at your private range, unless of course you don't have one like most of us.

This is almost flirting with some of the divisive gun community elitism you see from the country club set who think no one needs anything more than an Over/Under. I'd hope most of us are Pro-2A, and keep in mind that one of its primary purposes is for defense of person, country and property. Defensive shooting is usually gonna take place at a bit faster of a cadence than the benchrest crowd might prefer. That doesn't mean it is a waste of time, useless, childish, obnoxious, etc. You just have different goals.

 

[HammsBeer]

Not everyone has access to a private range.

There's those times when you just want to feel some rapid recoil and noise to blow off steam from a long hard week. Blasting off a 33 round Glock mag, or doing triple taps on a Mini 14 can do wonders for the soul, better than any six pack of beer.

 

[jmr40]

I own a few AR's, but I'm primarily a hunter with a bolt rifle in my hand most of the time. There have been quite a few times when a 2nd or 3rd quick shot has been helpful when hunting and I practice being able to do so. Shooting slow and deliberate is fine if you're trying to get your gun zeroed or testing different loads. But in the real world, whether hunting or using a gun for personal protection getting it mounted on target and getting off a few rounds quickly is a very important skill. I don't spray and pray, but I do work on being able to hit stuff fast.

Next week we'll have a post complaining about the guys that go to the range and only shoot off the bench and never practice off hand.

 

[AJumbo]

The occasional mag dump is good for the soul.

 

[Axis II]

didn't mean to touch any nerves guys.

it just makes me uncomfortable with the way things are today and seeing someone standing there throwing rifle rounds all over the hillside kinda makes me wonder. last summer we went to the exact range and a guy was banging an ak-47 at the 25yard mark which will get you kicked out real fast and I heard about 8 ricochets. got the range officer and he threw the guy out because he didn't follow the safety rules. the next time we went there was a group of either Russians or something along that line (no offense) with ak-47, ar-15, sig 226 with lights and lasers, 308 bolt guns doing the same thing and 2 of the guys were walking around in black bdu tucked into jungle boots. the range officers told them relax a little with 3 guys standing in line holding ak-47 and the hip lighting it up. I guess the situations just make me uneasy. I know its fun to blow a mag off as fast as you can but it makes others nervous cause to me seeing someone shoot at a target at 50 or 100 yards 30rds as fast as they can and hit it 2 times has no clue what they are doing imo. had a guy at the 25 yard part shooting his 1911 as fast as he could reload and dump again, just no sense in that imo with other people around.

 

[ATLDave]

had a guy at the 25 yard part shooting his 1911 as fast as he could reload and dump again, just no sense in that imo with other people around

??? Why??? Are you unaware that there are shooting sports where score is determined by dividing hits/points by the time that it takes to shoot? Such that putting the same number/quality of hits on a target a tenth (or even a hundredth) of a second faster can mean victory?

Here's one of the very best pistol shooters in the world doing a 25-yard bill drill... not only in front of people, but as part of a class he was teaching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUQ8mfL4sD4

 

[Axis II]

I do the same when training with handgun but with others around that aren't as skilled as us I feel its a safety issue, whats to say this guy didn't just go buy a handgun and come to the public range and become Rambo.

really don't want to get into a heated thing with you guys, just imo.

 

[ATLDave]

I'm much, much, much less worried about someone's rapid fire than someone's cluelessness with muzzle direction. I don't much care whether they hit their target or not; I care whether they keep the gun pointed downrange, and don't turn the gun with them when they turn around to talk to their buddies. Rate of fire has NOTHING to do with that risk.

I think you are FEELING that something is posing a real risk to you, but the ACTUAL (additional) risk is low to nothing.

 

[tarosean]

... (another member said the same thing...)