What's with the Zombie Craze?

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"Fun" is the great spice of life and right now it seems that zombies are a "fun fad" in the shooter world. It seems harmless enough to me and I even sell zombie splatter targets. Younger customers like to joke about it and I enjoy that interaction.

Many of you folk are correct that zombie talk can make us look bad in the eyes of some citizens. However, they are likely people from the far left with an irrational fear of firearms. If we can keep the zombie thing on the light hearted side of things and enjoy it, it can help our sport be more inclusive with the greater middle majority. IMHO
 
It's part of pop culture. Westerns were and are largely fictitious in setting (a little closer to reality than zombies, but most of what you see in those old movies just didn't go down that way) but people still associated guns with "cowboys" back in the 50's and 60's. Nowadays, the genre that people associate with "guns" is the zombie flick. It's a scenario so bleak that it literally can't actually happen, but it's fun to think about. You can't talk down a zombie - they can't surrender, yet they also pose little threat to those who are prepared and capable with a firearm.

All in all, I really think it's a GOOD thing for the shooting community. I don't know what it is, but in the last 10 to 15 years everything went "tacticool". Everything gun related had to be "training" and "defense" oriented. It's like the community went quasi-militia, and people forgot that guns can be FUN too. The zombie craze is just a way to bring some light-hearted FUN back into the community, and that's always a good way to draw in new shooters.
 
Seems like it would have been something that started years ago back when the first Resident Evil games came out. This whole thing might be Bruce Campbell's fault. Its something fun thats been turned into a marketing ploy.
 
I was watching a bit of a History Channel special on zombies the other day, and they said the reason zombie films are so successful is because of their connection to the horde and siege warefare. Spreading all the way back to castle sieges and the Mongul Horde all the way to Nazi Germany and modern-day terrorists, they were drawing parallels to the zombie horde.

Specifically with regards to modern day terrorists, there are the parallels that the future enemy may live next door to you, has no state affiliation, has no fear of death, cannot be negotiated with, and will not stop until you're dead.

From a THR perspective, here is what you can draw from this:

A "zombie" is a good generic term for whatever invasion we have, which requires us to use our 2nd Ammendment rights in the context of a militia for national defense. It could just as easily be "tango" or "charlie", depending on what war you're referring to. This is specifically referring to the zombie apocalypse, where our cities are invaded by the undead.

A "zombie" can also be considered a hostile individual that you cannot negotiate with, which will not respond to threats or pain - the only way to stop the zombie is to stop him dead in his tracks. This is the same mentality applied when choosing a self defense firearm and training with it, and why the FBI has specific recommendations for causing an involuntary stop. A weapon which will stop a zombie (assuming zombies have similar body compositions as a living human) will stop a human attacker.

At least, that's the way I see it.
 
Only the most rabid anti-gunner (or a true mental defective) could see the zombie craze as anything other than what it is: a running joke. It shows that we don't have to take ourselves seriously all the time, and provides some common ground with people who might not be totally 100% 2A: the opportunity to laugh with us, instead of at us.

Also, from a purely legislative/semantics POV, it'd be much easier to ban 'man killer' bullets than it would be to ban 'zombie killer' bullets, even if they're exactly the same.

R
 
its to take your mind off of all the real crap the .gov is doing to us.....
 
Also, from a purely legislative/semantics POV, it'd be much easier to ban 'man killer' bullets than it would be to ban 'zombie killer' bullets, even if they're exactly the same.

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Only the most rabid anti-gunner (or a true mental defective) could see the zombie craze as anything other than what it is: a running joke. It shows that we don't have to take ourselves seriously all the time, and provides some common ground with people who might not be totally 100% 2A: the opportunity to laugh with us, instead of at us.

Also, from a purely legislative/semantics POV, it'd be much easier to ban 'man killer' bullets than it would be to ban 'zombie killer' bullets, even if they're exactly the same.

R

While I am not a real big fan of the Zombie genre, I don't have a problem with it.
I really don't understand the Moderators hatred of the theme, and their virtual ban on it.
It is just about fun. Every one knows that Zombie's aren't real, (except for the anti-gun ones)
For someone who loves the Zombie Apocalypse, especially with guns, check out High School of the Dead. It is about a bunch of Japanese High School students who fight to survive the ZA. Available as both Manga and Anime

If some one takes offense about somebody talking about preparing for the Zombies, just laugh at them, and remind them that it is just fantasy! :neener:

I think some people on this site lack a sense of humor, and are so politically correct, that they have lost all joy in life.:D

I don't want to get into another stupid argument with somebody over trying to be politically correct so we don't get bad publicity.:banghead:
I just think it is useless and silly to try and avoid upsetting someone who is looking to be upset.
 
I really don't understand the Moderators hatred of the theme, and their virtual ban on it.

There is no hate, it's just that this site's prime mission is to present gun owners in a positive light and it's the consensus of the staff and most of the members that zombie, shtf, shooting invading UN troops when FEMA orders us all into reeducation camps and any number of other similarly goofy topics don't do that.

I think some people on this site lack a sense of humor, and are so politically correct, that they have lost all joy in life.

Nope, it's just that this isn't the place for it, there are plenty of gun boards that allow and even encourage that stuff. It's not like there is a shortage of places to have those discussions if that's what you are into.
 
Well I would have to question when people say "zombie apocalypse" are they being literal.? I would venture to guess that most are not, but instead they mean that they are prepared for just about anything rather than zombies themselves.

Now if they truly believe in zombies then perhaps they could hurt our image by looking paranoid and irrational. Then again anytime someone says "gun owner" they usually paint us as paranoid and irrational anyway so I can't say it hurts really either way.

Shawn
 
...the consensus of the staff and most of the members that zombie, shtf, shooting invading UN troops when FEMA orders us all into reeducation camps and any number of other similarly goofy topics don't do that.

I get where you're coming from, but where I see the difference is that zombies are a politically correct, socially acceptable piece of pop-culture.

When someone starts talking about the UN and FEMA taking over the world, your average person will start looking for their tin-foil hat. That same average person can comfortably 'play along' with the zombie craze without worrying if they should schedule themselves for a cat-scan.

Not that I think THR should modify the current policy. I appreciate the opportunity to have this particular discussion, but in general I prefer the high signal to noise ratio provided here. Too many TEOTWAWKI threads could very easily drown out the more substantive information on offer.

R
 
I was watching Sylvestor Stallone in Cobra yesterday, and the bad guys were Zombies.

Came out in 1982 I believe. Zombies are having a resurgence!!!!!
 
When I was growing up our fighting men were in southeast asia, and you can guess who we as kids were shooting when we played guns.
In the movie the patriot, Mel Gibson's kids had lead soldiers that were French and British .
In today's PC world were you can't even point your finger gun at someone with out getting into trouble. Zombies are the thing you can laugh at. Throw sticks and stones at and even shoot at and no one will say anything about it.
I don't see were this is a bad thing until we are invaded by zombies, Then some lawyer will start to defend the poor things as they are victims and we are the evil ones.
 
I would like to return to our moderator's point.

By and large, I believe the whole zombie thing is a net positive for gun owners and gun users. I think it started getting serious traction with the Center for Disease Control introduced the zombie scenario as a generic doomsday scenario to use for disaster preparedness. Since it was a bit far out, it got the attention of a lot of people that would otherwise not want to consider the question “what happens if…” Thus, it led a number of people to the serious notion of firearms ownership and use that would have otherwise never considered it in a serious manner. While there are certainly lunatic fringe aspects, the introduction of the notion of the use of a firearm as a tool that can be used to preserve the integrity of society as we know it to a younger generation is a good thing.

And, I cannot consider it to be a standing joke.
 
Yes, but the question I think that needs to be addressed is whether or not this is good or bad for gun owners and the perception of the public.

Should we be trying to stop it or is it harmless?


Law abiding gun owners have turned a corner it seems, both in legislative progress and in the attitudes of most citizens. Does this move us backwards?

Its just like the CB radio trucker craze of the mid 70's . After it runs its course folks will be embarrassed to admit they fell for the fad

Let it run it'll run itself out of go faster than a Jimmy suicide jockey. 10-4

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I can't see anything terribly positive about using fantasy horror-schlock to promote a Constitutionally-enumerated freedom, or to make firearms owners seem like safe, serious, sane, and responsible members of society.

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I tend to see that as a phenomenon that is questionable in practice. I mean really, how many teenage zombie freaks turn into 2nd Amendment fans becaue they wanted to buy a zombie killing weapon? Does that mean warm bodies at the polls pulling the right levers?

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Is there some REAL benefit to individuals and/or society from the "preparedness" the zombie fans supposedly espouse? Aside from finally settling once and for all the pressing issue of which gun or guns and just how much ammo you really need to survive the apocalypse -- which I'm sure we'll get worked out in a thread any day now. :rolleyes:

Possible benefits from talking about 'Zombies'???

Well, wasnt it the CDC that posted a blog post about how to prepare for a zombie apocalypse? Their thinking was that if they got people engaged and preparing in a fun way, that citizens would be prepared for just about any type of natural disaster.

And in that aspect, I agree with it.

As far as them turning into '2A Fans'? I think it is possible. People get into shooting and guns for a variety of reasons. I think the more people involved in shooting and guns is generally a good thing. Not every hunter, competition shooter, or self defense gun owner is a strong supporter of the second amendment either. But certainly some go that way that got into firearms for a variety of reasons.

Now, from the viewpoint on gun owners in general from people that are not pro 2A? Meh, it probably doesn't help, but I am not too sure how much it hurts either...I am sure it doesn't caste a positive light on gun owners for some people, but some would argue that hunters cast a bad light on gun owners to the animal rights movement crowd. Or that target shooters cast a bad light on gun owners to the environmental crowd. Basically, I think there will always be those that use anything they can against us...but I am not sure there is anything we can do to change the viewpoint of those people.

Just my 2 cents....
 
Zombies are principle characters in many of the latest and most popular first and third person shooter video games. The unending hoards that attack without fear and splatter when hit necessitate a bottomless ammo box and the biggest and baddest of firearms. Fun recreation, but I always wonder how one can kill the already dead. Is it good or bad for gun owners? If it gets folks off the couch and down to the range because of a new interest in firearms, it can't be a bad thing. If those same folks can't differentiate between the video games and real life, we may be in trouble. Makes one wonder why Hornady puts the disclaimer "This is loaded ammunition, not a toy " on their new Zombie ammo.
 
As usual, I come to a thread late, so all my points were already posted.

It is this generation's Cowboy and Indians. We have SASS due to the popularity of the Wild West in pop culture, and I'm sure that has sold a lot of revolvers and lever guns. Fast forward several decades and the Zombie craze is probably selling a lot of semi-auto rifles and military guns. No, we aren't quite ready to dress up in anti-Zombie garb and shoot blanks, but I wouldn't put it past the zealots. (At that point, yes, I'd say they were doing us more harm than good, but not right now).

The main difference is there is no Zombie interest group. We can't put up pictures of Indians in a PC world and shoot them at the range, nor should we. But nobody is going to object shooting at paper zombies. Who is to complain?

How many cowboy movies do you see anymore? How many zombie movies? 40 years ago there were Cowboy movies and TV shows aplenty. Only one zombie movie, if I remember.

If the zombie craze goes away, I would fully expect it to be replaced by aliens. Mark my words. You can open this thread again in 20 years and tell me I'm right. :D
 
I think it's kind of childish especially when you come to a gun site and expect to be able to speak to other adults and they start with the "zombie" thing.
If there was a "kiddies corner" or fantasy subforum in here, that's where it should be. Thankfully there is not. Guns have many uses and the owners of them
worrying about shooting a zombie shouldn't be one of them. They have mental hospitals for a reason. Roleplaying in the woods with swords and chain mail is
one thing. Once you introduce a gun to fantasy time, play time is over.
 
Like valnar, I got here late. Lot of off-topic comments...boring. I'll try to briefly express my thoughts regarding Rifleman's questions.

The zombie craze is mostly harmless, kinda dumb. There is potential for harming our reputation with the general public, but I think it's relatively small and probably doesn't rise to the level of needing our active opposition. Bears watching however, and isn't an altogether useless topic here. In short, indulge with caution. Just my $0.02...
 
Referring to people as zombies as a way to sanitize or make it palatable to talk about killing, is in my mind, just as bad as an outright discussion. I mean, say what you have to say. If baby ears over there can't handle the conversation, perhaps he should excuse himself. The idea that in a natural disaster people become "zombies", a mob of disheveled and non-thinking non-humans, and that discussing them as such in order to sanitize the conversation, that to me is disgusting. I can see that leading to more senseless killings because the individuals, instead of viewing their neighbors in distress as such, they view them as mindless mobs hellbent on destroying what you value. Take for instance the people the cops shot on the bridge in NOLA. Had those cops viewed those people as citizens of the US and equals under law, they would not have shot them. They considered themselves above them and had somehow devalued them as humans, as equals. Perhaps zombies didn't come into the conversation, but the idea of it did.

Then you have the others... The newbies and the kids getting into firearms that have no background. Dad didn't take 'em hunting or shooting. They played video games and came from an anti family. Now they are on their own, they want that AK. But what do you use one for? Never been to a range, don't know how to find the woods (the maps just show big green spots?). So discussing shooting with your peers is quite difficult. You can discuss your limited knowledge of junk tactical gear (why these businesses thrive) or you can discuss killing zombies. Really, all firearms discussions are this way: you can discuss gear or what you use the gear for. Or the range/prey the gear is used on. In absence of target shooting, hunting, shooting sports, etc., you get zombies. This is what you get for not taking kids to the range!

You know, I killed zombies last night. In Fallout3, a video game I'm playing. That is about as far as I go with zombies, that and a book (Stephen King's "Cell" is appropriate for the day!) or a movie (Shawn of the Dead is GREAT!). I went to the range the day before. At the range, I didn't even think of zombies, and playing the game, I didn't think of real weapons or people. To me, zombies belong in books, movies, and video games; they don't belong in real discussions about shooting, and particularly as a way to de-humanize real potential human targets. They are make believe and belong that way. Being able to differentiate the two is important, most people can do that, but some folks, and in particular, some kids, cannot, or at least not yet.

I just feel they don't belong in serious discussions about firearms. I also believe that serious manufacturers, such as Hornady, should refrain from playing into this childishness.
 
Fast forward several decades and the Zombie craze is probably selling a lot of semi-auto rifles and military guns. No, we aren't quite ready to dress up in anti-Zombie garb and shoot blanks, but I wouldn't put it past the zealots.
Why shoot blanks?
Zombie themed shoots happen frequently.

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Only one zombie movie, if I remember.
Zombies are a multi-genere standard theme since 1932. I can name about 30 zombie films prior to Romero's 1968 NotLD.
 
I agree with mgmorden. I don't view it as being all that different from CAS or even wearing buckskins and shooting a flintlock. Sure there is some historical element to these activities, but the real point is to have fun with the shooting sports.

Once you introduce a gun to fantasy time, play time is over.

Provided it's done safely, there's absolutely no reason not to have fun shooting. Even the more practical-oriented competitions are to some extent "play time." And ANY competition *I* enter is by definition a personal fantasy time for me, since there ain't no way I'm winning.

Take for instance the people the cops shot on the bridge in NOLA. Had those cops viewed those people as citizens of the US and equals under law, they would not have shot them. They considered themselves above them and had somehow devalued them as humans, as equals. Perhaps zombies didn't come into the conversation, but the idea of it did.

I've never heard any suggestion that the cops in question were fantasizing about zombies. And on the flip side, that particular department had a very long track record of misdeeds going back before the advent of film and television.

I also believe that serious manufacturers, such as Hornady, should refrain from playing into this childishness.

How much sillier is it than the reams of "cowboy" ammo on the shelves? How many people shooting "cowboy" ammo could have any conceivable claim to that title? It's pure fantasy.

For the naysayers I see two main arguments.

First, that it makes us look immature and the antis will make fun of us. It should be clear by this time that the antis will despise us regardless of whether we're dressing up as cowboys, zombie hunters or in conservative attire.

Second, that the zombie business is going to inspire illegal conduct. This is a real stretch. There was one mental defective in Seattle who killed some ravers and then himself. The media speculated it had something to do with the zombie theme of the party, but I don't put any more credence in that theory than with any other similar pop psych nonsense. If it isn't TV or video games it's supposedly D&D or graphic novels.
 
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