whats wrong with 10mm?

[SharpsDressedMan]

Why would you believe the the use of a .45 is better than using a 10mm for self defense/concealed carry? Clearly, the 10mm has superior ballistics. You have chosen a .45, but that does not mean it is superior to the 10mm. 10mm....faster, flatter, deeper, harder, more terminal (see the gel comparison above). Besides all that, you can sqeeze more 10mm's in the same magazine space than .45 rounds. What's not to like?

 

[gym]

I went to brass fetcher, and read up on the 10 several times. It just seemed that it wasn't doing all that much for the additional expense. Here is the link
http://www.brassfetcher.com/10mmAuto.html, I considered it several times but never found any startling ballistics over the other 5 calibers I use. Nothing big enough to warrent another thousand or more in equiptment

 

[IdahoLT1]

The 10mm that brass fetcher used was near the lower end on the power scale. Theres multiple loads out there that are 150fps faster than the one they used. That's what you not seeing.

 

[Strahley]

Send a 230 gr bullet down range at 1120fps with 641 ft./lbs.from a 4.6" Glock 20.......and carry 16 rds in that package. Or, shoot loads from 125gr. to 230gr.

I don't need 230gr @ 1120 FPS to stop a human attacker, 230gr @ 900-950 has been doing it for ~100 years. I don't need one caliber to range from 125gr to 230gr, I don't handload. I don't like how thick the .45/10mm Glocks are, which is why I don't have any

Why would you believe the the use of a .45 is better than using a 10mm for self defense/concealed carry? Clearly, the 10mm has superior ballistics. You have chosen a .45, but that does not mean it is superior to the 10mm. 10mm....faster, flatter, deeper, harder, more terminal (see the gel comparison above). Besides all that, you can sqeeze more 10mm's in the same magazine space than .45 rounds. What's not to like?

I didn't say .45 had better performance than 10mm. For self defense, I do not need something that powerful, especially considering it will not be cheaper, easier to find, as pleasant to shoot, or come in a gun that is a good size for me

So again, my opinion stands. 10mm is useless to me. Same with .357 SIG, .45 GAP, .327 Federal, etc

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

I guess my problem with regarding the .45 as the end all cartridge is the numerous times in has failed to expand, due to its "standard" velocity of 800-900fps, its occasional bouncing off windshields and other barriers at soft angles, and its lack of penetration in auto doors & bodies (all too often, self defense involves bad guys in vehicles shooting at others). The 10mm just seems to have a better reputation for those challenges.

 

[HGUNHNTR]

In the internet age there is no valid reason to snub the 10mm. Ammo availablility is a click away.

 

[Mainsail]

Useless. To be without use. I know exactly what it means. Now, feel free to show me where 10mm would be of use to me

I could compile a very long list of things that are of no use to you that are, nevertheless, anything but useless. What a strange narcissistic delusion under which you seem to live.

 

[TexasRifleman]

I went to brass fetcher, and read up on the 10 several times. It just seemed that it wasn't doing all that much for the additional expense.

Brass Fetcher's load was 180gr at 1100fps 10 feet from the muzzle.

The original loading for the cartridge would be more like 1300fps with that same bullet.

Download almost any ammo 15% from it's design specs and you'll get less than optimum performance.

 

[wristtwister]

I shoot a lot of different caliber pistols and revolvers, and each one of them has it's good and bad points. There's no "one answer" to every question, and 10MM is a great cartridge in my guns... so are .45's, .40's, .38's... every one of them has some good and bad points, but I hardly ever try to just dismiss that a cartridge has any purpose at all... (maybe some of the oversize pistol calibers shooting rifle cartridges) but for the most part, I like shooting anything that doesn't break my wrist.

The cartridges don't have to be loaded so that they blow up the gun to be "effective", and they don't have to be under-loaded so that they are "comfortable" if you use a pistol with enough weight to handle the recoil (yes, I'm one of those people who doesn't think the sun rises because of the invention of the Glock).

I've never had problems getting either brass or loaded bullets for my 10MM, and enjoy shooting it whenever I get the chance. When people were paying $50 and $75 a box for .380, I was out banging away with my 10MM Witness and having a ball.

I don't really have any problem with any cartridge when it's used in a format that makes it usable. I'm not big on shooting Contender-style pistols with rifle cartridges, but that's just personal choice. I'd rather use one of my rifles to take that shot, and while some people's bells ring with that kind of recoil management, mine doesn't.

Shooting is enjoyable to me... and I keep it that way. 10MM... no problem. Great cartridge, and lots of fun.

WT

 

[Strahley]

Oh trust me, I don't think the .45 is the end all cartridge. In fact, I think the same of .45 as I do all handgun calibers...they are an underpowered compromise
for when I can't take a long gun with me. If I can't stop a threat with 19 rounds of .45 (which is what I can take with me with one spare magazine), I'm not going to wish I had a 10mm handgun. I'm going to wish I had a long gun

I could compile a very long list of things that are of no use to you that are, nevertheless, anything but useless. What a strange narcissistic delusion under which you seem to live.

I'm delusional because I know there is no place for a 10mm handgun in my lineup? I've stated why 10mm serves no purpose for me, and why. That was the original question in this thread, so I answered it

 

[orionengnr]

Well, I own and shoot both .45acp and 10mm.
I enjoy both, and trust either to do the job.

My 10mm is a fairly recent acquisition (used DW 10mm CBOB) and had some intial difficulties, so I don't carry it (yet) but certainly will...or it will be gone. I don't own any handgun (over .22 caliber) that I don't carry.

In my experience (so far) there is nothing wrong with 10mm per se. Yes, it is a handloader's cartridge. I am a handloader, so that it is a non-issue. Yes, brass is pricey, and it launches brass into Low Earth orbit. Yes, it's recoil is a bit snappy, but in a steel framed Commander sized 1911 I can shoot it fairly well, and that is what matters to me.

 

[IdahoLT1]

Brass isnt that expensive. Midway has 500rds of 10mm Starline brass for $92.50. Their .40S&W brass is $85, so add a few extra grains of powder for each round and the 10mm is not that much more to reload than .40S&W.

 

[orionengnr]

Ah, but .40 brass is free for the picking up at my range (and others I have visited. Most people don't even boither to pick up 9mm r .40 brass.

Even if you have to buy it, once-fired it's $30 per thousand.

Range pick-up in 10mm is unheard of, and once fired is almost unheard of--as soon as someone posts it for sale (rarely) it is gone (immediately).

So compare .40 at $60 per thou to 10mm at almost $200 per thou, and yes, it's expensive. But it's worth it.

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

Pick up the free .40 brass, load some .40 ammo for your friends that shoot .40, take the money they give you for the .40 ammo, and then buy 10mm brass in bulk................

 

[millertyme]

Oh trust me, I don't think the .45 is the end all cartridge. In fact, I think the same of .45 as I do all handgun calibers...they are an underpowered compromise for when I can't take a long gun with me.

Which is why the 10mm is so effective. It's a pistol on steroids. But, you do shoot Glock's and that's not the kind of pistol I would want to shoot full-house 10mm out of. As I said previous, preferably something steel. That Witness Stock II looks like it fit the bill nicely. Any it wouldn't cost any more than a Glock. They make steel compacts, as well and you can get thin aluminum grips for them.

But I agree with you on at least one point, If 19 rounds of .45ACP can't take care of it then it's probably not something you should be trying to take care of with a pistol.

 

[wow6599]

In fact, I think the same of .45 as I do all handgun calibers...they are an underpowered compromise for when I can't take a long gun with me

With a simple barrel swap you can shoot a 95 gr bullet at 2000 ft/s with close to 850 ft/lbs......9x25 Dillon. Seems close to long gun numbers to me.

 

[Strahley]

Not near powerful enough to make up for a lower capacity and having the shorter effective range of a handgun

 

[gym]

thanks for clearing that up fellas, they really should test more 10mm loads on BF. I wondered why there was only one, may be the cost. i know they get $400.00 to run 1 test

 

[mokin]

For me, there is nothing wrong with the 10mm. The availability of ammunition seems to be the most frequently cited "problem". A few of the guys I shoot with like to be able to go to Walmart and pick up boxes of ammo for 5 or 10 cents a round and mindlessly blast away. They'd love a pistol that is more powerful than thier .40 S&W or hold more than thier .45 but they can't buy ammo for the 10mm so they tout the strengths of thier caliber. It's all friendly but deep down I know they want one.

 

[swinokur]

Admittedly 10mm ammo is more expensive than other calibers, but I can get 180g FMJ ammo from Georgia Arms for 20 bucks per 50. That's almost the same price as .40.

As far as unavailability, IMO that's a fallacy perpetuated by Internet urban myth. I have zero difficulty buying 10mm at several on line retailers.

 

[Dave T]

I have a reason for liking the 10mm that no one has brought up in 6 pages of responses. That being...it is so damn interesting!

To be completely honest it doesn't do anything I need a handgun to do that my 45 ACPs won't do, but then my 44 Specials will do everything I need a large bore revolver to do, yet I still have 44 Magnums. I find handguns interesting, challenging and fun to both shoot and master. The 10mm opens up a whole world of new things to explore and try.

The 10mm is not economical and not necessary but it is so interesting and such fun I wouldn't want to be without one.

Dave

 

[Judo]

The 10mm is a very inaccurate round simply because it is not a compressed load. The 40 S&W is the 10mm compressed and it is much more accurate and available. Bren 10 is gone.....get over it! DO NOT waist your money on a 10mm.........................they are over!!!!!!!!!!!!

What are you talking about? Your waist around your body or don't waste. Also, how is the 10 mm inaccurate? How did you determine the inaccuracy?

 

[Casefull]

I shoot a glock 20 with wolf barrel and steel rod with heavier recoil spring. My hollow point handloads are 180g hp at 1350-1400 fps. It is a sweetheart. The trigger sucks for us 1911,etc guys but the more I shoot it the more I get used to the trigger. I have nite sites for quick in the dark lineup. My son is on the pakistan border in afghanistan an I wish he had my gun in place of his weenie 92 beretta.

 

[swinokur]

Tell your son thank you for your service, be safe and come home soon

 

[Peter M. Eick]

Nothing is wrong with the 10mm.

I shot 700 rounds of 10mm today. What a great day. The baer was cooking and the RZ was in the groove. My 135 grn Noslers had a heck of a bark with blue dot and the longshot 180's were really cooking.

Great round and great guns!