Stevie-Ray
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Yeah, I did those too. Mine ended up with the power hierarchy:
1) 25 ACP
2) 32 ACP
3) 460 S&W mag
4) 500 S&W mag
whats wrong with 10mm?
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1) 25 ACP
2) 32 ACP
3) 460 S&W mag
4) 500 S&W mag
duncan
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10mm is just fine. There are 10mm forums.
DoubleTap Ammo sprung from a GlockTalk memberalways working up loads.
Lot sof 10mm love and LEAs do like the round. Texas DPS.
I rock Glock 20, Glock 29, SW 610 and this Olympic Arms 10mm AR-15 carbine:
The Bambi and Porky the Pig Slayer!
Oly even offers brand new 10mm polymer magazines for their PCCs.
So companies are investing in 10mm to this day.
And what about Colt restarting its making of the Colt Delta Elite?
Brand new today.
DoubleTap Ammo sprung from a GlockTalk memberalways working up loads.
Lot sof 10mm love and LEAs do like the round. Texas DPS.
I rock Glock 20, Glock 29, SW 610 and this Olympic Arms 10mm AR-15 carbine:
The Bambi and Porky the Pig Slayer!
Oly even offers brand new 10mm polymer magazines for their PCCs.
So companies are investing in 10mm to this day.
And what about Colt restarting its making of the Colt Delta Elite?
Brand new today.
dcarch
Member
I think 10mm is definitely becoming more popular. Now if only VLTOR could actually get then Bren 10 into production...
Clark
Member
I find your lack of faith in experiments disturbing.
One problem with the 10mm is the choice of platforms.
First they are all big guns. and most are expensive 1911's - and not everyone is a 1911 fan (and I know plenty of 1911 fans who wouldn't want a 10mm 1911 if it was given to them) or wants a single action gun. Also not everyone wants to pay the big bucks that these guns are priced at.
Only Glock and EAA have guns at reasonable price points. Even the Delta elite is $800 and up usually. The rest are 1K and up...limits appeal for many. Add in the hard to find, often expensive and mostly watered down factory ammo and the round has even less appeal to the vast majority of shooters.
The 10mm is a round that begs for reloading and as a moderate sized critter gun in automatic it is hard to beat, especially the Glock for backpacking.
At one time back in the day I had both glocks, the SW 1006, 1076 and 1066, the Star Megastar (what a beast) and a Bren Ten special forces Dark, I even carried the G29 and the 1066 as my EDC. I was a huge proponent of the 10mm but several things detered the round from being what many hoped it would be and after the FBI ditched the 1076 - interest waned and currently no government agency (except the Danish army which issues them for polar bear protection in greenland patrols) issues the 10mm. (some may authorize it but that is not the same, thus gunmakers seem to have little incentive to make new 10mm guns.
I have moved on from the 10mm as other guns offer many advantages over the 10mm. If I lived say in alaska or some western states I would still have a 10mm, but in Florida the 10mm serves no real purpose for me.
None of the major ammo makers make their police oriented ammo line in 10mm (Ranger, HST, Gold Dot etc...) when they do then I will believe its catching on again. Didn't Dan Wesson drop most of the 10mm guns from its line? Not exactly a positive sign. And after the Vltor "New" Bren Ten (Fortis) debacle I have my doubts.
First they are all big guns. and most are expensive 1911's - and not everyone is a 1911 fan (and I know plenty of 1911 fans who wouldn't want a 10mm 1911 if it was given to them) or wants a single action gun. Also not everyone wants to pay the big bucks that these guns are priced at.
Only Glock and EAA have guns at reasonable price points. Even the Delta elite is $800 and up usually. The rest are 1K and up...limits appeal for many. Add in the hard to find, often expensive and mostly watered down factory ammo and the round has even less appeal to the vast majority of shooters.
The 10mm is a round that begs for reloading and as a moderate sized critter gun in automatic it is hard to beat, especially the Glock for backpacking.
At one time back in the day I had both glocks, the SW 1006, 1076 and 1066, the Star Megastar (what a beast) and a Bren Ten special forces Dark, I even carried the G29 and the 1066 as my EDC. I was a huge proponent of the 10mm but several things detered the round from being what many hoped it would be and after the FBI ditched the 1076 - interest waned and currently no government agency (except the Danish army which issues them for polar bear protection in greenland patrols) issues the 10mm. (some may authorize it but that is not the same, thus gunmakers seem to have little incentive to make new 10mm guns.
I have moved on from the 10mm as other guns offer many advantages over the 10mm. If I lived say in alaska or some western states I would still have a 10mm, but in Florida the 10mm serves no real purpose for me.
None of the major ammo makers make their police oriented ammo line in 10mm (Ranger, HST, Gold Dot etc...) when they do then I will believe its catching on again. Didn't Dan Wesson drop most of the 10mm guns from its line? Not exactly a positive sign. And after the Vltor "New" Bren Ten (Fortis) debacle I have my doubts.
yhtomit
Member
I don't have anything in 10mm, nor do I plan to, but I've never seen much disparaging information about it. Dismissive sometimes, on the basis that other calibers exist and fill similar roles, but not actually disparaging. Just like many other calibers that require a new investment in guns and / or reloading equipment / storage / time, people are skeptical and critical, but it doesn't mean they're being insulting or casting aspersions.
(Sorta like .44Magnum -- don't have one, but I sure wouldn't turn one down for free --which doesn't mean that I or anyone else in the same boat don't adequately respect the caliber
)
timothy
(Sorta like .44Magnum -- don't have one, but I sure wouldn't turn one down for free --which doesn't mean that I or anyone else in the same boat don't adequately respect the caliber
)timothy
Mainsail
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legion3 said:
The Glock G29 isn't big, it's about the same size as the G19 overall.
DammitBoy
Member
You must have little girlie hands. The G20 is too small for me and most 1911's don't have that nice wide body Para frame feel I like so much.
And I don't have big hands by any means.
The 29 is way way fatter has a much less friendly grip than the G19. And the 29SF only makes the reach a bit better, the gun is still fat.
Well I must disagree, you must have huge ogre hands if the G20 is to small for you. The vast majority of people would not view the G20 as to small for them.
The 10mm comes in no truecompact size weapon the G29 may be the closest but it is not a Glock 19 by any comparison.
swinokur
Member
The only real difference between the G19 and G29SF is the width, which is .09 inches.
Maybe enough difference for those with mid to small hands. I have average size hands and my G30 feels a little fat. But I got used to shooting and carrying it. I liked it enough to buy a G29SF, which while only being a 3mm difference front to back, is slightly more comfortable for me.
G19 w 1.18
G29 w 1.27
Neither one a deal breaker for me. A 10 round 45 ACP or even 10mm in a smaller package is perfect for my needs. The SF feels slightly better IMO
Maybe enough difference for those with mid to small hands. I have average size hands and my G30 feels a little fat. But I got used to shooting and carrying it. I liked it enough to buy a G29SF, which while only being a 3mm difference front to back, is slightly more comfortable for me.
G19 w 1.18
G29 w 1.27
Neither one a deal breaker for me. A 10 round 45 ACP or even 10mm in a smaller package is perfect for my needs. The SF feels slightly better IMO
It may seem like not much on paper the the thickness feels very distinct between the G19 and the G30/29.
I agree the SF is slightly better but its still just as fat and is not very sub-compact.
Nevertheless, the G29 may be the smallest 10mm on the market but it is still bigger than many other guns. But the size of the glock 29 is not the only struggle the 10mm has with the majority of shooting public.
I agree the SF is slightly better but its still just as fat and is not very sub-compact.
Nevertheless, the G29 may be the smallest 10mm on the market but it is still bigger than many other guns. But the size of the glock 29 is not the only struggle the 10mm has with the majority of shooting public.
Stevie-Ray
Member
Did they add another half-inch to the length of the grip of the SF model? Because that's where the big difference between the 19 and 29 is. The 29 has a tiny grip and I find myself wondering why Glock did this, as the power of the 10mm cartridge would seem to warrant a larger grip. Don't get me wrong, I love my G29, but even the G30 which is sometimes called the "twin" of the 29 has a bit longer grip.
swinokur
Member
No they didn't. I use Pearce +0 mag bottom plates to give my pinky a place to rest on
For HD I use G20 mags and an A & G mag sleeve.
The G30 grip and magazine are slightly longer because of the larger 45 ACP cartridge being slightly larger. I use the Pearce +0 base plates on them as well. Doesen't really add to the portio of the grip that might print
For HD I use G20 mags and an A & G mag sleeve.
The G30 grip and magazine are slightly longer because of the larger 45 ACP cartridge being slightly larger. I use the Pearce +0 base plates on them as well. Doesen't really add to the portio of the grip that might print
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Mainsail
Member
That's sort of my point, the .40S&W was created to make a 10mm fit into a 9mm sized frame and gun. The G29SF proves you can have full power 10mm in a 9mm sized gun. Is it exactly the same size? No. It's close enough for me though, and as I head out in a few minutes, there's a G29SF on my belt with ten rounds of 200gr hollow point.
SharpsDressedMan
member
At the present time, there is no better compromise of power, capacity, and size than the Glock 29. If there is some thing better, or equal, show me.
Loosedhorse
member
^
11 rounds of almost-.41 Mag in a pistol that can drop into a big pocket? I agree.
But isn't that off-topic? I thought we're discussing what's wrong with 10mm!
After all, a .40 will stop a siberian tiger--who needs more than that?
11 rounds of almost-.41 Mag in a pistol that can drop into a big pocket? I agree.
But isn't that off-topic? I thought we're discussing what's wrong with 10mm!
After all, a .40 will stop a siberian tiger--who needs more than that?
harrygunner
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Nothing wrong with the 10mm. Great round.
A G29 was compelling enough for me to ignore my distaste for Glocks. I photoed a G29 and a J-frame to gauge its size.
A G29 was compelling enough for me to ignore my distaste for Glocks. I photoed a G29 and a J-frame to gauge its size.
SharpsDressedMan
member
OK, what's wrong with the 10mm, particularly the Glock 29? Well, 11 rounds of 10mm in a polymer pistol DOES have a little heft! Probably a bit heavier than a scandium J-frame (but LOTS more, harder hitting ammo!) Everything comes at a price.
http://www.ammoengine.com/find/ammo/10mm
Looks expensive to me. And take out double Tap (and Dt is not cheap) and the choices dwindle considerably on SD ammo. Hornady is about the best price for SD ammo.
50 search hits and half are Double Tap.
Looks expensive to me. And take out double Tap (and Dt is not cheap) and the choices dwindle considerably on SD ammo. Hornady is about the best price for SD ammo.
50 search hits and half are Double Tap.
Loosedhorse
member
I don't pocket carry it. But it does fit (and print) in many front pockets, and works fine in cargo pockets or deep jacket pockets.
DammitBoy
Member
What's the best 10mm forum?
swinokur
Member
The 10 ring on Glock Talk and ar15armory.com
duncan
Member
Dammitboy:
The best 10mm forum on the Net is definitely GlockTalk's 10 Ring:
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=38
The founder of DoubleTap Ammo, McNett, frequents commonly.
JR of Lone Wolf Dist is a member too and he makes 10mm barrels as well as 40SW and 357 sig conversion barrels for those 10mm Glocks.
Lots of guys with Glock 20s, Glock 29s, Colt Delta Elites, SW 610s, SW 1076s, 10mm carbines and so forth.
That is the source.
The best 10mm forum on the Net is definitely GlockTalk's 10 Ring:
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=38
The founder of DoubleTap Ammo, McNett, frequents commonly.
JR of Lone Wolf Dist is a member too and he makes 10mm barrels as well as 40SW and 357 sig conversion barrels for those 10mm Glocks.
Lots of guys with Glock 20s, Glock 29s, Colt Delta Elites, SW 610s, SW 1076s, 10mm carbines and so forth.
That is the source.
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