whats wrong with 10mm?

[Warp]

The problem with 10mm is it isn't more popular. 10mm is the best semi-auto round period. I don't care what anyone wants to come and argue. 10mm is better than .45ACP, .40 Short and Weak, 9mm, .357Sig, etc. Yeah I understand that to house it you need a .45ACP size gun, but it's called being a man

Being a man? Really? That is what you call being able to conceal a large pistol regardless of work attire, work rules, local climate/weather or local political climate?



Mind telling us what your daily carry setup is? Belt, holster, gun, clothing, etc...

 

[JROC]

^ Go back and read everything I wrote. The last sentence I stated that a G20(or really any other full-size Glock for that matter) doesn't make the best CC weapon. But that it's a great gun if CC isn't your priority with it.

My daily carry setup is my G20SF in my trucks glovebox. I rarely carry on my person, but if I do I carry my Glock in a cheap Glock holster and wear pretty baggy clothing. It conceals well enough, but if I print a little bit then so be it as it's legal in the state of SC. IMO it's easier to conceal than a full-size 1911,(I do have a magwell, and magazines that hang down on my 1911 so that doesn't help) but probably not quite as easy as my CZ75, but is more comfortable to carry than my heavy CZ.

I've been looking for a good price on a Gen3 G19 do CC, but it's just not at the top of the priority list for me right now.

The point I'm making is I feel people way overemphasize making sure a gun feels good in your hand. Every modern pistol I've handled or fired has felt good enough where I could easily adapt to it, be very comfortable operating the gun, and have it feel normal to me after spending a little time with it. Any given LEO agency or the Military isn't going to ask you "which gun/guns do you prefer, and want us to assign to you," they're likely to say here here's your gun, man up to it, learn it, get comfortable with it, etc. Unfortunately there are very few 10mm's out there. I can think of 1911's, EAA Witness, and Glock 20/29 that are currently in production. So being so limited I feel the Glock is the best all around choice when considering things such as cost of the weapon, capability, reliability, aftermarket, and whatever else. Glocks are very good SD weapons and the 10 is an awesome round. Don't let the guns slightly larger size compared to 9's and .40's put you off as it isn't that bad, and I've had no one complain to me about its size or grip angle that I've let hand or fire it even women I've let handle it aren't offended by it's ergonomics in their hands. Actually most everybody think it feels and fires great. The only complaints I every hear about it other than a couple of people I know who hate Glocks just to hate Glocks(and who don't even have experience with a Glock including mine) because they are 1911 fanboys, or their envious of their popularity or whatever are people over the internet.

 

[jeepmor]

Really the bottom line with the 10mm is that it had its chance to be something special, instead it ended up out of favor with LE and with the shooting public at large.

I think this is largely due to the recoil being beyond .gov norms and that fact that the 10mm will blow holes through most assailants in the .gov studies. It's a stout round. I pack it in the woods, not on the street.

 

[jeepmor]

Really the bottom line with the 10mm is that it had its chance to be something special, instead it ended up out of favor with LE and with the shooting public at large.

I think this is largely due to the recoil being beyond .gov norms and that fact that the 10mm will blow holes through most assailants putting those beyond in peril. It's a stout round. I pack it in the woods, not on the street.

 

[10.mm4life]

almost all ammo makers make loads for the 10.mm hornady xtp is only around $16 a box, you do have to order it or get it at gun shows, insted of wally world. I keep glaser silver tips in my glock 20 for home defense with a factory glock light and laser

 

[10.mm4life]

I have shot most modern duty type pistols and i own a 1911, xd,glocks,sigma,ruger p series, cz-52. but my glock 20 sf shoots and points best, with the fastest most natural sight picture, its lined up as soon as it reaches my field of view. i have true glow night sights. the glock 21 sf is the same way. they got those slim frame glocks in .45 acp and .10mm right its for me any way the perfect pointer, the only thing that comes close is the 1911. if your looking to get a glock in 10 or 45 go with the sf verson, you will not be dissapointed unless you have the hands of aundre the giant

 

[10.mm4life]

eaa witness, the glock 20, the colt delta 10.... I wish more companys would add .10 to there platforms. one of the guns on my wish list is the smith and wesson 610, they also made a 3inch nightguard in 10, but they stoped makeing them both. the cool thing about the smith .10mm revolvers is they also fire the 40s@w round. the way a .357 will shoot a .38 special. Hk had a mp5 chambered in .10mm I bet a full auto one of thouse would go for $30k on gunsamerica. i wish some one would make a 5 to 6 pound 30 shot carbine in .10mm for the civilan market I know i would buy one

 

[Warp]

My daily carry setup is my G20SF in my trucks glovebox. I rarely carry on my person,

You really should. It's called being a man

 

[JROC]

You really should. It's called being a man

You sound like a coward. You're saying you need to have a gun on you to feel like a man I guess? So without your gun you'd be too scared to "man up" and take up for yourself? I would suggest growing a pair, and quit depending on your gun to give you some sort of power, and making you feel like a man.

I have no problem with someone CC, and will if I feel the need to, and there's always a gun in my truck, but I would never consider CC a requisite to being a man. In fact I know more women that CC then men.

 

[kozak6]

Best? Best for what? Best semiauto round, or best semiauto pistol round? If I like to do a a lot of shooting, is it cheaper than .22 lr? How much is a box at Walmart? How well does it suppress? What's a good subcompact carry pistol in 10mm?

10mm is an interesting cartridge, but it's not for me. It's a specialty magnum niche cartridge for reloaders. I don't reload.

There's not much of a range of pistols in the caliber. There's the Glock (also not for me), the EAA, and everything else is an expensive niche pistol.

For nearly identical ballistics, the .357 mag is a better choice for me and probably most other shooters.

 

[The_Armed_Therapist]

In addition to it not being as readily available or affordable, it never will be. I mean, I guess I can't say "never," but it is highly unlikely. The 10mm was developed for a specific purpose (law enforcement) and it only lasted a few years. Too many couldn't handle it and the .40 was created (shorter and weaker). It has already run its course and it wasn't even a very long course.

The truth is that it is a great round and I have a hard time understanding why so many law enforcement officers struggled to shoot it... it's not that bad. ... But because it never caught on, no one (besides Glock, really) is making 10mm in the competitive markets. I've never seen a 10mm for less money than the brand new Glock 10mm. Add the expensive ammo and it puts it into niche category.

 

[Loosedhorse]

What's wrong with 10mm?

Why it's folks like Double Tap loading a ridiculous variety of ammo for it, from 125 gr Barnes all-copper HPs at 1600 fps to 230gr hardcast loads at 1120. It's like Mike McNett is trying to rub the caliber's versatility right in our faces!

And you've got your choice of currently produced Glock or 1911 platforms; only two of the most popular pistol platforms ever.

That's what's wrong!



(I wish to make clear I have only high appreciation and regard for both Mr. McNett and his products.)

 

[Warp]

You sound like a coward. You're saying you need to have a gun on you to feel like a man I guess?

Context. Please read the thread. You will see that another poster said using a lesser caliber in a smaller gun than his almighty 10mm was unsatsifactory, that choosing a big pistol in a caliber like 10mm was called "being a man". Upon further discussion it turns out that that big ol 10mm is too big and he does not ever even carry it. My statement is a way of responding to his asinine statement that selecting 10mm is "called being a man".

My point was that, as we all should know, a smaller gun you actually carry is better than the larger/larger caliber gun you leave at home or in your glovebox due to size

You suggest I 'grow a pair', I suggest you use your brain.

 

[DammitBoy]

In addition to it not being as readily available or affordable, it never will be... it never caught on, no one (besides Glock, really) is making 10mm.

Nonsense. The ammo is readily available and affordable.

Besides Glock, I count 7 other manufacturers making very nice 10mm's to shoot.

 

[Warp]

If the ammo was readily available it would pass the Walmart test.

 

[DammitBoy]

It passes the 'mouse click away' test - which means it's readily available.

 

[Warp]

So what do you call ammo that passes the Walmart test?

 

[dcarch]

Lootable.

 

[Warp]

touche

 

[legion3]

Nonsense. The ammo is readily available and affordable.

Besides Glock, I count 7 other manufacturers making very nice 10mm's to shoot

I guess readily availble and affordable is subjective.

Very nice 10mm's to shoot, other than Glock and Witness, = expensive 1911's!

And you've got your choice of currently produced Glock or 1911 platforms; only two of the most popular pistol platforms ever.

That's what's wrong!

I agree with you that is what's wrong! Not everyone wants a 10mm 1911 for 1K and up - LEO's don't use single action guns hardly at all anymore and I know lots of 1911 fanboys who wouldn't take a 10mm 1911 if it were given to them.

And not everyone likes Glock and do not like the big fat Glocks like the 20.

Any new modern polymer service pistols coming out?
Any modern top of the line police ammo coming out in 10mm?
How did the Vltor new Bren ten work out?

Other than very expensive DT (with questionable numbers) and Swamp Fox is there any non watered down factory ammo for SD? Hornady? Silvertips (which are dated and not full power)? Is Corbon DPX hot? I know its expensive per box.

Heck even 45GAP comes in HST, Ranger, and Speer GD.

Seems like there is a fairly limited choice of ammo too. Looks to me like reloading is the way to go with the 10mm.

All in all it seems like the 10mm has a limited appeal for many reasons.

 

[Warp]

All in all it seems like the 10mm has a limited appeal for many reasons.

Completely agree.

I had one (G20). Sold it. And now I have a G21SF

 

[Fiv3r]

I'd only own a G20 if were to go down the 10mm path. Not because the Glock is the be all end all, it's just one of the most affordable guns in that caliber to buy. On top of that, it would be a multiple caliber tinkering gun. I like that with barrel swaps, it can shoot different calibers.

I do find it a niche caliber in and of itself. For carry, over penetration (to me, anyway) is a drawback. I certainly don't want to be responsible for ending the life of another person because I was trying to save my own skin.

I can see it as a viable woods side arm. However, critters are thinner skinned in my neck of the woods. I feel pretty good with just a 30-30 rifle. If I carry a side arm, a .357 is more than enough.

I don't reload. If I did reload it would be for common calibers. The only time I would take the time to do any reloading would be if there is another ammo drought and I can't pick up a box or two of ammo at my leisure.

Neat caliber. Proven performance. However, I've got no use for it.

 

[JoelSteinbach]

Nothing is wrong with10mm, there are a variety of guns available, Glock, Kimber Wittness as examplesa, ammo is available maybe not plentiful, reloading is an option that kees my 100's fed and allows me to customize my rounds to my applications.

 

[Oceanbob]

There is nothing wrong with 10MM..!!


I own and shoot all calibers. I also have been reloading for 25 + years.

The 10MM is my favorite cartridge. My favorite handgun is the GLOCK 29.

Second, the GLOCK 20. I also run a Glock 20 with a 9X25 conversion barrel, 20 round mag and a red dot zeroed at 150 yards. Makes a good little carbine-like package that fits into my Rucksack.



Glock 20 OD


9X25 Glock 20 with red dot and 20 round mag. A real HOOT to shoot.
Extremely accurate.

 

[JROC]

Context. Please read the thread. You will see that another poster said using a lesser caliber in a smaller gun than his almighty 10mm was unsatsifactory, that choosing a big pistol in a caliber like 10mm was called "being a man". Upon further discussion it turns out that that big ol 10mm is too big and he does not ever even carry it. My statement is a way of responding to his asinine statement that selecting 10mm is "called being a man".

My point was that, as we all should know, a smaller gun you actually carry is better than the larger/larger caliber gun you leave at home or in your glovebox due to size

You suggest I 'grow a pair', I suggest you use your brain.

You really look like an idiot. You need to quit acting like a know-it-all, and stop quoting everyone in this thread.

Read exactly what I wrote in my first post below:

I understand that it can be a little bigger than what most want for CC, but if you just want to have a big, powerful, manageable gun that does everything well/right a 10mm, and a G20SF is hard to beat.

Can you not comprehend that people don't always buy pistols for CC purposes? Do you feel that all full-size pistols are poor guns? You must not like Government size 1911's or full-size Glocks/Sig's/M&P's/XD's, etc because they don't make the best CC weapons? Again I can CC my Glock easier than I can my Colt Combat Elite, or CZ 75. A 10mm is a .45ACP sized gun. If you can CC a .45ACP gun you can CC a 10mm.

You seem to believe that the reason I don't CC is solely do to I have a gun that's too big and I don't want to aggravate with it. Am I correct in this? Well it goes beyond that, and what you need to understand is that if CC was overly important to me then I would do it, and if I felt I needed another gun for it then I would get one. Again I wouldn't mind a G19 for easier CC, but again it's not a huge priority for me. I fully support CC but you sound like a fanatically. All you see is CC. Get over that. If you want to CC with a small gun and have it be a 10mm then get a G29SF. My Glock rides everywhere with me, and I carry it on the lake, or in the woods, etc. I don't carry it into work with me as I'm not allowed to.

BTW you must be pretty dumb for buying a G21SF as it's pretty much the exact same size as a G20SF. Why would you buy a gun that's not as good as a compact gun for CC? With your mentality it's a pretty useless gun right?

10mm is a much better round than .45ACP, and that was kind of the intent when it was designed. 10mm is a great round. It has accuracy, range, and power. What it doesn't have is huge support from the gun, and ammo companies which I find unfortunate.

I feel people must just be wrongly intimidated by it as I find it to be a very manageable round even with full power loads. That's where "being a man" comes into play. Yeah it's got a little recoil to it, but it's not that bad. If you can handle the recoil of a .40S&W or .45ACP you should be able to handle 10mm. Actually my Glock produces a very desirable type of recoil, and is more comfortable to shoot than my 1911 even though you can feel that it fires a more power round. Also if you have or can handle a .45ACP gun with a double stack magazine then a G20/G20SF is not too big for you as they are the same size.(in general. Glocks aren't going to have the exact same dimensions as a XD or HK for example)