What's wrong with Sigs???

[The Law]

If you worry that they break to easily, don't. I know of at least two federal agencies that issue SIGs to their agents. Those are the Secret Service and the Federal Air Marshals. If they were not up to par they would not be trusting the life of the President or the lives of those on airlines with them. My own SigPro 2340 is top notch.

Add to that DHS (.357 Sig) and the U.S.C.G.

SIGs were in the running with the Berettas for the U.S. military sidearm. I believe that the Berettas were cheaper to produce (I may be wrong on this).

U.S. Navy SEALs and British S.A.S. are also issued SIGs.

I love my SIGs, but there are many other quality firearms out there. I think SIGs are plenty durable.

 

[SouthpawShootr]

SIGs were in the running with the Berettas for the U.S. military sidearm. I believe that the Berettas were cheaper to produce (I may be wrong on this).

Oh, you're correct. The Berettas were something like $20 cheaper per unit compared with the Sigs. Not really that much until you take into account that the military contract was for hundreds of thousands (I think over the course of the contract, the government's purchased well over 1 million).

Personally, I don't think they made out too bad. Sigs and Berettas are usually about equal performance-wise, but Berettas of the period had superior durability of finish and rust resistance. Moot point now since Sig has largely switched over to blackened stainless. Anybody remember what the Sig entry was? Probably the 226. Could have been 228 also.

 

[Impala]

I had a firearms instructor come up to my table at a gun show a few days ago and we were talking about sigs, he was a big glock fan and he reported that his experiences with sigs were that they required WAY too much cleaning and other maintenence to run right. I've never owned one, so I wouldn't know, but after hearing a lot of so called experts opinions on them I am somewhat hesitant to put up the kind of cash that they usually sell for. Of course even experts are sometimes full of bunk, I've heard some nasty reviews on less expensive makes like Kel-Tec from some of these guys yet I've never heard one of my Kel-Tec owning friends say a bad thing about the Kel-tecs that they own. This guy was saying how glocks were the "AKs of the pistol world"
He may have something there, but I've never been a fan of polymer frames..

 

[prolanman]

Sounds like a Glock lover/Sig hater. There are just some people who'll sing the praises of one gun and put down every other one out there. I happen to like Sigs and don't think there's any real problems with them. I don't think Glocks are bad, they just don't fit me. If you want a top notch Polymer gun then you have to go HK. My HK P2000 is every bit as accurate as my P229.

 

[1BLINDREF]

Anybody remember what the Sig entry was? Probably the 226. Could have been 228 also.

The P226 was Sigs entry for the new military side arm. Rumor had it that Beretta won the contract partly because the US wanted to put cruise missiles in Italy. In return, Italy wanted a big contract for their arms industry. The Navy Seals bought the P226 after they got tired of repeatedly breaking the Berettas. The P228 was later adopted by the military - the M11. Only special units and the Criminal Investigation Division (CID) were issued them. They are still in use today.

 

[atblis]

Oh ho ho

Do we realllllly want to dredge up the XM9 trials?

XM9 = 226
XM10 = 228?

 

[Fulcrum of Evil]

I've got a 226 (unknown vintage, but probably under 5 years old). It hasn't rusted, but it is finicky wrt the wally world ammo. If I try to put too much through it (300 or more), I get some FTFs, but cleaning it fixes that problem. I may try running it again and seeing how much it takes to repeat the FTF. Haven't seen any rust to speak of, but then I do oil the think.

For the porsche thing, you can in fact run them 11k miles between oil changes - they have a 1 year oil change interval ($180 oil changes, too). For what they are, Porsches are very reliable. Just don't back off if the back end comes out in a turn.

 

[valor1]

Sigs are very nice pistols. They are truly quality made, They are reliable, durable and accurate. Unlike the glocks, haven't heard of any Sigs having breechface breakage due to dry firing or kabooms. The only things I don't like:

- high bore axis (if you are accustomed to the 1911, you might need some adjustments with the sig)
- the black finish is prone to rust, I don't know yet about their Nitron finish which I've read somewhere is like Glock's tenifer treatment.

Overall the Sigs are great guns.

 

[JPShadow]

Sig P229 Broke and hurt a Swiss Cop

I just read some things about the sig P229 made overseas braking at the police pistol range in Switzerland and hurting a police woman. and they found some others that were cracking. I don't have the photos any more but you could find them on the Internet if you want them. It did also say the trouble was only in the overseas plant and not in the US plant. It was because of a 90 degree cut in the ejector opening so all sigs with this 90 degree cut were recalled. This is why the sig P229 is so hart to get right now.

 

[Sigdude]

Dear SAG0282

Thanks for the Charles Bronson compliment......
but i was trying to come-across on more of a cross between a stoned
" Snoop Dog " and a schiziod paraniod " Gordon Liddy ".

 

[gudel]

so what is going on in this thread?

 

[SAG0282]

What are you basing that on?

Because they should be being expensive and in theory German made and all?

Because you read it in [insert favorite gun rag] with the full page SIG add on the back cover?

Because your fellow internet buddies over at sigsrockmyworld.com told you so?

Because you own one?

What am I basing it on? How about having owned 5 of them? Don't be a jack ass. My comment was realistic and supported both real-world and empirical data and wasn't at the expense of other brands. It gets rather tiresome to get these sorts of replies to straightforward answers about durability. Gun owners don't have "Consumer Reports" with durability and reliability, we have to go on personal experience and on the internet we read about the experiences of others......if you're not ok with that, well, we'll leave it at that.

 

[kennyboy]

My only beef with Sig is that their pistols have a small magazine capacity compared to just about everyone else.

 

[nero45acp]

I own a P225 and a P220 9mm, and I use to own a P226 ST 9mm. I've only had one malfunction out of many thousands of rounds through my SIGs. A transfer/trigger bar spring once broke on my P225.


nero

 

[metallic]

My only beef with Sig is that their pistols have a small magazine capacity compared to just about everyone else.

I'm confused. My P226R in 9mm came from the factory with two 15 round magazines and I can also order factory 20 round magazines. How is this different from any other full size 9mm handgun?

 

[jlh26oo]

He might mean per size/weight, comparatively? I don't know, I think capacity is overrated. I'm comfortable with 6 or 8.

 

[Fulcrum of Evil]

Yeah, Sig mags are bloody expensive. Why does a mag cost $40, anyway? Volume?

 

[gc70]

Complaints about the price and capacity of Sig magazines are overblown. You can buy Mec-Gar magazines for half of Sig's price and with greater capacity (+2 for the 226 and 228/229). Since Mec-Gar is the OEM supplier for Sig magazines, all you give up is the Sig logo on the mag tube.