What's wrong with Sigs???

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I'm currently up to 600 rounds through my P226 without a single malfunction. I find the actual finish on my SIG to be less durable than some other handguns but I didn't buy it to be pretty. I bought it to go bang every time. The dealer is blowing smoke in your direction.
 
Try a SIG classic P-series [ie: P210, P220, P225, P226, P228, P229, P230,
P232, P239], as there are not any finer DA/SA pistols made. Your friend
at the range simply doesn't know weaponary, when he told you that SIG's
break a lot~! If that is the case, why are so many still in use by govern-
ment agency's? :eek: :scrutiny: ;)
 
Your range man is full of it. The P series of Sigs are super high quality. I personally dont like the way they feel, but they are great pistols. I have two P229s'. One is a very early 40 S&W and one is fairly new with a 40 and a 357 barrel and the rail.
 
what are some of the major brands he carried? im sure glock is in there.
my p226 has been reliable since day one. Ive only shot maybe 400-450 through it though.
 
The guy at the range said he carried springfields, glocks, HKs, Rugers, Berettas, and I think that is it...I figure that if I live in CA and the limit is 10 rounds per mag, I might as well utilize the maximum number of rounds. There could be a situation w/ multilple assailants or targets that are difficult to hit when the extra 2 rounds could prove useful.
 
Hey, nothin' wrong with ANY of the pistols he sells. And SIGs are good, too.

You have to learn to take gun shop men with a grain of salt. Eventually (hopefully) you'll find one or two you can trust. When a guy talks you OUT of a pistol that's in stock then you're on track for a potentially honest dude. When a guy trash talks pistols he doesn't sell... Well... You be the judge.
 
I believe the phrase is "to hell and back reliability." With a motto like that Sig wouldn't stay in business very long if they didn't live up to it.

Doesn't Jack Bauer carry the USP compact?
 
disclaimer: i love my c.1980's P220, consistent trigger, shoots well, never jammed, eats all variety of ammo. a lovely piece, as long as it is cleaned and well maintained. SIGs breaking? well, any gun can "break", or go "ka-boom" or "FTF" or "FTE", but SIG is in that 'least likely to happen to them' category.


but i'll take a chance on dissention here, since i think the o.p. deserve the benefit of a different experience. and it does pain me to share this....

couple of years ago, i buy a recent SIG model and inside of 6 months, it starts to rust :fire:
being anal about my pieces like most of you, i know it wasn't from lack of care & cleaning.

so i call SIG to get it taken care of and the nightmare is just beginning.

over a period of 4 weeks, i place 4 calls to SIG customer service department, on MY dime since they didn't publish an 800 number. and i left 4 messages b/c i got tired of being on hold. there's an option to leave a message and they claim "someone will call you right back"
well, no one ever called me back. and when i finally reached someone, they first wanted to try and pull the "it's outta warranty b/c it sat on the dealers shelf for 3 months before you bought it and that counts as time in terms of covered warranty." ***? not from the time i purchased it, but from the time the dealer gets it?

i stayed cool and argued my point with logic. finally, they relented and agreed to take the pistol for inspection. wait a month, no word, no follow up. then it's, back to the game of attempting to contact them (see above). in the end, it took them nearly 2 months to send back a (refurb'ed) p*o*s to replace my original rusted SIG. the refurb was send back in a baggie, slathered in grease as though it'd been dunked in a bucket, real nice!

i realize that they did finally do the right thing, replace with new non-warrantied gun. but i've had easier experiences getting chicken bones away from rotweilers than getting satisfaction from SIG "customer service".

i cleaned it up, made sure it was 100% funtional and promptly sold it and i am not looking back.

so, "what's wrong with SIG?"

they really do make a decent (albeit, relatively expensive) piece. their quality in recent years is debatable. my opinion is that their quality has indeed dropped off in favor of "innovation", more learned opinions may vary - i don't claim to be an expert.

but their "customer service" is practically non-exisitent, and (for the prices they charge) THAT is what's wrong with SIG.

deal with them at your own risk...but for me; life's too short and my money is too hard earned to be thrown away on that aggrevation.

again, YMMV!


sorry if that went a little long. just wanted to be thorough.


peace!
DC#
 
Nothing wrong with SIGs... except that I am a cheap B#stard and I think you can get the same reliability and accuracy for less.

That being said, not everyone has the same luck or the same "bond" with a maker, so a really good cheap brand for me might be a total POS for you. (and that is something worth remembering around here)

try and see if the controls and the ergonomics fit you. Sig's control layout is a little different from most, which may be a source of some issues.
 
Hey, I've owned my Sig since it was new, and that's more than a decade...

Never a problem. Accurate, reliable..

AND my P239 is one of those "stinkin' 'Merican made" Sigs, not even a "real" one.. ;)

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I NEVER worry about my Sig misfiring or having a problem. I think it would feed peanuts if you could figure a way to attach a primer to one.. It's that reliable.

Best Wishes,

J. Pomeroy
 
I'm going to go ahead say the only thing wrong with a Sig is the price, and that's mainly cause I can't afford any more of them. :neener:

My local range doesn't rent them either, but then again they don't rent HK. All they have is Glock (at least 7), XD (one), Ruger P89, P22 5" (sooo dirty), SA milspec 1911, and a couple of revolvers. My take on it is, why would they rent a gun they could easily sell for $800-1000?
 
Hmm.

Heavy. Bulky. Poor location of controls. Barrel axis is too high. Bad ergonomics (for me). Too expensive, they aren't that great. I've heard nothing but bad about their customer service.
 
deltacharlie, that's a crappy story. I am sorry to hear about your SIG troubles.

I have dealt with SIG customer service twice in the last month or so. Once, to send my P228 in for the Sig Service Plan (new springs, nites)/Action Job/Slide Nitron (the pistol is in their hands, expected return time is 3-5 weeks), and once just recently to discuss some odd wear on my P239's frame rails.

My experience is phone tag happens a lot, and emails sometimes need to be sent a few times, but I always do get a call back from them. I talk to the same guy every time, so maybe he's the only one there (Chris). He's very friendly and helpful. Like I said, those repeat reminders shouldn't have to happen, but I never got the feeling SIG wasn't paying attention, or didn't want to hear from me... Just that they're a little slow.

Now, for an example of how a gun manufacturer *should* be... I emailed the owner of North American Arms to chat about some of their products. I received emails back, forming a friendly email thread, and really had an enjoyable time mailing back and forth. That's really good service.

So SIG can improve, for sure.

I think their pistols are as solid as any, though obviously a few sneak through that are sub-par. (I should point out: my P239 has never malfunctioned, shoots great, and carries beautifully... Although it may be eating itself alive, which isn't good )
 
Typical dealer BS.He is just bashing sig so he can sell you one of his guns.Time after time I have dealers try to pull this crap and I just walk out the door because I know they are ignorant and they think they know everything.I had a sig p220 45acp and it was 100% reliable.
 
waynedm said:
Heavy. Bulky. Poor location of controls. Barrel axis is too high. Bad ergonomics (for me). Too expensive, they aren't that great. I've heard nothing but bad about their customer service.

So you've literally never heard any good reports about their customer service? :rolleyes:

You should definately "try-on" a sig, they seem to be love them or hate them as far as the ergonomics go. Same goes with any other manufacturer's stuff. If I hadn't tried a Sig I wouldn't have got one due to price, but it was a perfect fit for me compared to the other pistols I tried. And I got incredibly lucky and received one as a present, although I would have bought a CPO eventually.
 
Good Lord.
Why are we inundated with people like this here lately

i pity the fool who gets whacked with a Doubletap
Gold Dot Hollow Point if they try to harm my family and i .

*sigh*
 
RTFM, he's infatuated with his new P220 and thinks it's Thor's own hammer. He'll figure things out, hopefully.

:banghead:
 
I don't even know what the round count is on my 229. Probably about 5,000.

I don't think it matters.

No matter which barrel, mags, ammo --- it does its thing every single time.

Not the most compact piece of equipment, but absolutely the slickest.

It gets the same reaction from everyone who's tried it: Wow!
 
A detective (and firearms instructor) I work with is a particular fan of the Sig line. We were discussing their merits the other day and he made the following statement:

"If the sh** were hitting the fan, and there was a pile of Glocks in front of me, and underneath that pile of Glocks there was one single Sig, I would take the time necessary to clear those Glocks away and retrieve the Sig. I feel that strongly."

I can't say that I feel *that* strongly :uhoh:

Nonetheless, every Sig I've ever met has been my friend.


Good Lord.
Why are we inundated with people like this here lately


Quote:
i pity the fool who gets whacked with a Doubletap
Gold Dot Hollow Point if they try to harm my family and i .

*sigh*

ROTFLMAO!
 
Good Lord.
Why are we inundated with people like this here

Quote:
i pity the fool who gets whacked with a Doubletap
Gold Dot Hollow Point if they try to harm my family and i .

*sigh*


There...fixed it for you...
 
" When you have to shoot,shoot ! Don't talk ! " ----- Tuco

HEY ! Everybody in dis' big bad hood !
Come over here and listen to me good !
Cause' ya' see i graduated from the College of the Streets !
And i gotta' PhD on how to-make-minced-meat !
Inflation in dis' nation don't bother me !
Cause' i'm the scholar with da' dollar !
And DAT' you can plainly see !

Now i know ya' don't know me,but my possie calls me Homie !
Ya' may think i'm a phoney !
BUT DAT'S JUST BALONEY !
So if ya' want to know me,

YOU GOTTA' CALL ME " HOMIE " ! :neener: :neener: :neener:

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I apologize about the line about defending my familly with my Sig full of Doubletap .45 ammo..I know it's crule and diabolical to load my P220 with bullets that are loaded with the highest non +P rating,and those terrible,terrible infamous " Flying Ashtray " Gold Dot bullets are just plain ole' " Mushroom City " when they expand !
Just think of how a Public State Prosecutor will eat-me-alive when he tells the judge and jury on how i " Premeditated " to do maximum harm and destruction to the poor,poor inturder who is a result of his drug and violent filled enviornment,by me using the " Custom Desighner " ammo. After all,defending my family shouldn't even be considered because the perp. is just " A little misunderstood,and emotional unstable ".

No thanks ! I'll use my Sig P220 as a BACK-UP.
I've got a Remington 870 12 gauge pump loaded with Federal 00 Buck that will be my first grab.
I also have a Special Forces Ranger Tomahawk and i nice large "Pig Sticker " Cold Steel Tanto Blade that i can use if we have to do " The Dance Macabre ".

Well...anyway...you feel one way...and i the other.
Sometimes it may take a " Thug's " mentality to defeat one.And only the strong " Willed " and prepared survive.

And for that, i offer no excuses,nor apologies. :mad:

And " Oh Yeah ! " B.T.W. ....yes i am infatuated with my Sig P220 st ! XOXOXO Ha !
 
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