Where can get HK94 and opinion versus other 9mm carbine?

[DefiantDad]

Folks,

Originally (months ago) I was in the market for a Beretta CX4 in 9mm. LGS could not get it (at the time) and I stopped asking again. Maybe I should.

Anyway, I shot an HK94 clone the other day at the rental range. Pretty good carbine. I didn't know too much about it, and Googled around, and learned a little bit of history. I also know that there are no more genuine imports of the HK94.

I don't think I will try to buy an authentic one, seeing that they are super expensive. But what would be your opinion on a HK94 clone, and from whom might I get a high quality one? I assume it is somewhat like the AK clones analogy.

And whether or not you reckon it's worth the extra hassle and dollars, to get an HK94 clone over the CX4 (assuming I can find a new 9mm CX4).

Other 9mm carbines are on the back of my mind (Hi Point, Kel Tec, etc.) but primarily I am considering either the CX4 or the HK94 as a primary long-arm using 9mm caliber.

(Already have 5.56 AR15, and .308 is a separate buying process that is currently ongoing, so this question is purely focused on these two 9mm carbines).

 

[meanmrmustard]

Folks,

Originally (months ago) I was in the market for a Beretta CX4 in 9mm. LGS could not get it (at the time) and I stopped asking again. Maybe I should.

Anyway, I shot an HK94 clone the other day at the rental range. Pretty good carbine. I didn't know too much about it, and Googled around, and learned a little bit of history. I also know that there are no more genuine imports of the HK94.

I don't think I will try to buy an authentic one, seeing that they are super expensive. But what would be your opinion on a HK94 clone, and from whom might I get a high quality one? I assume it is somewhat like the AK clones analogy.

And whether or not you reckon it's worth the extra hassle and dollars, to get an HK94 clone over the CX4 (assuming I can find a new 9mm CX4).

Other 9mm carbines are on the back of my mind (Hi Point, Kel Tec, etc.) but primarily I am considering either the CX4 or the HK94 as a primary long-arm using 9mm caliber.

(Already have 5.56 AR15, and .308 is a separate buying process that is currently ongoing, so this question is purely focused on these two 9mm carbines).

Am I allowed to suggest one of those on the back of your mind?

 

[DefiantDad]

Hahaha yes by all means but you know where I am coming from. What is the rationale? Do you think those (HK and CX) are not worth the dollars?

 

[meanmrmustard]

Hahaha yes by all means but you know where I am coming from. What is the rationale? Do you think those (HK and CX) are not worth the dollars?

Not at all. Of the two, I'd buy the Beretta.

Of the four, depending heavily on the application, I'd go Hi Point. Accurate to a fault, for the caliber. Built like a tank, heavy, but comfy nonetheless. The Keltec takes hi cap mags, the only credit I've ever given them. Folding ? Bah.

So, in lieu of the question, I favor the CX4. May I ask, have you looked at the JR Carbine?

 

[DefiantDad]

Oh, by the way, I have shot both the CX4 and the HK94, and love both. I have to say I recall loving the CX4 a bit more than the HK94 but the CX4 I shot had a red dot. The HK94 only iron sights. I do recall the HK94's stock is a bit shorter than the CX4 and it seemed the CX4 was more natural to shoulder.

 

[DefiantDad]

Not at all. Of the two, I'd buy the Beretta.

Of the four, depending heavily on the application, I'd go Hi Point. Accurate to a fault, for the caliber. Built like a tank, heavy, but comfy nonetheless. The Keltec takes hi cap mags, the only credit I've ever given them. Folding ? Bah.

So, in lieu of the question, I favor the CX4. May I ask, have you looked at the JR Carbine?

Really? Interesting. Hi Point is highly accurate huh? I have to see if I can rent one somewhere.

I agree mostly the advantage of the SUB2K is the folding aspect, which is not necessarily good as I hear feedback from posters that the "upper" (barrel) is not super snug against the receiver part.

I have not heard of the JR Carbine. Will Google now.

 

[meanmrmustard]

Really? Interesting. Hi Point is highly accurate huh? I have to see if I can rent one somewhere.

I agree mostly the advantage of the SUB2K is the folding aspect, which is not necessarily good as I hear feedback from posters that the "upper" (barrel) is not super snug against the receiver part.

I have not heard of the JR Carbine. Will Google now.

Not highly accurate, but more so with me shooting it than the KT with same shooter. The CX4 is a fine plinker.

The KT folding negates optics, and the sights suck, so really a redundant feature. The briefcase carriers will flame shortly.

Google indeed. The JR is also a smooth operator.

 

[DefiantDad]

So I just done a bit of research on the JR Carbine and watched the intro video. This 9mm carbine kinda sucks... NOT!

Wow, thanks for bringing this to my attention. It is a serious contender now on my list and may have even bumped the HK94 off the list and made it the contender against the CX4. Pricing seems to be reasonable, and I like the AR parts (especially stock) since I have an AR. The safety is also the same as the AR.

But watching the video is one thing. I need to know how this gun will function. The HK94 and CX4 at least are battle proven by LEOs and military over the years.

 

[meanmrmustard]

So I just done a bit of research on the JR Carbine and watched the intro video. This 9mm carbine kinda sucks... NOT!

Wow, thanks for bringing this to my attention. It is a serious contender now on my list and may have even bumped the HK94 off the list and made it the contender against the CX4. Pricing seems to be reasonable, and I like the AR parts (especially stock) since I have an AR. The safety is also the same as the AR.

But watching the video is one thing. I need to know how this gun will function. The HK94 and CX4 at least are battle proven by LEOs and military over the years.

Definately hold and/or fire if possible before decision time. Hope you follow your intuition, and good luck!

 

[RCArms.com]

Go with the Beretta for sure and sink the money you saved into a case or two of 9mm ammo. If you can find a Cx4 that takes the Mod 92 mags, it opens up high cap mag options.

I've handled and fired both HK94 semi and MP5 SMG and while reliable, I found them to be ho-hum in the accuracy department.

The Cx4 ranks very high in my book for fun factor and it's a pound lighter than my 7" 9mm A4 SBR.

Check out this vid on the Cx4 and see if this helps you out some.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtkuVzbgD98

 

[DefiantDad]

Thanks guys. Probably CX4, as you say, following my intuition. But will give the JRC a try if any LGS has it.

 

[DefiantDad]

Go with the Beretta for sure and sink the money you saved into a case or two of 9mm ammo. If you can find a Cx4 that takes the Mod 92 mags, it opens up high cap mag options.

I've handled and fired both HK94 semi and MP5 SMG and while reliable, I found them to be ho-hum in the accuracy department.

The Cx4 ranks very high in my book for fun factor and it's a pound lighter than my 7" 9mm A4 SBR.

Check out this vid on the Cx4 and see if this helps you out some.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtkuVzbgD98

Hahaha that video made me chuckle in his intro about steel. Good stuff.

 

[tahunua001]

I love pistol caliber carbines, I hate the HK94.
it feels like holding a super soaker, but then again I've shot super soakers that had better triggers. it jammed, it barely hit the broadside of the barn from inside the barn.
if you offered me an HK94 or a hipoint 9 carbine, I would take the HK... then sell it and buy a hi point and couple thousand rounds of ammo

here's how I rate 9mm carbines.
1. AR15 9mm: the second most expensive option behind the HK and does need a little fine tuning if you build it yourself but once you get them dialed in there is no stopping them, dead accurate out to 200 yards. easy to maintain, almost entirely ambidextrous and has all the same controls as every mall ninja's favorite with the added bonus of being much cheaper to shoot.

2. beretta storm: good mid range pricing, decent trigger, great ergos(IMO), a little flimsy feeling and I would have no idea how to take one apart but there's gotta be a how to guide on youtube somewhere.

3. hipoint 9: not pretty, not comfortable and the trigger is kindof heavy but it goes bang every time, they hit what you aim at, and it's affordable(which is the number one reason most people buy a 9mm carbine, economics)

4. HK94: super expensive, bad ergos, bad triggers, bad accuracy(and I was even keeping inside 25 yards!) and all around just an unimpressive first impression that seems to defy the common consensus that all H&K products are superior to everything else.

5. keltec: you get what you pay for, cheap, sometimes goes bang, sometimes hits the target, and not that comfortable.

I have not shot the marlin 9mm, the ruger 9mm, the calico 9mm, or the sterling gcarbine so I did not rank them in the top 5.

 

[meanmrmustard]

You didn't find the hi point comfy? Hmmm...
Heavy trigger, eh, but smooth with clean break. Hmmm...

Looking at your descriptions, why'd you rank the HK over the KT? Seems you abhor it.

 

[tahunua001]

Looking at your descriptions, why'd you rank the HK over the KT? Seems you abhor it.

resale value the only advantage the HK has over the KT

 

[Capybara]

 

[DefiantDad]

I reckon that's worth 6000 words?

 

[tahunua001]

nothing compares to a 12 pound Uzi copycat

 

[cyberhick]

UZI is battle proven, compact, cheap with parts readily available. One Source Tactical has some interesting quality stuff for them.

Sent via smoke signal. Carrier pigeon on windy days.

 

[DefiantDad]

If fully automatic to fire a huge hailstorm burst, I might consider the Uzi. (Not allowed where I live).

But I am not sure how accurate it is, shot for shot, semi-auto, compared to the CX4 and the other carbines mentioned.

 

[dprice3844444]

http://www.mechtechsys.com/ uses glock lowers

 

[browningguy]

5. keltec: you get what you pay for, cheap, sometimes goes bang, sometimes hits the target, and not that comfortable.

What a good chuckle, had not seen all of that rubbish in one sentence before. It is inexpensive, mine has a couple thousand rounds of mixed 9mm through it and has never once failed to go bang, it's not as accurate as my HK USC, but of course it costs 1/4 the price and it fits in my briefcase so I'll take the 2 1/2" groups at 50 yards and be happy, it's also not so ergonomic as others but that may be due to the design requirements they had for it (lightweight and small folded size).

I guess it's not surprising these days that people just feel the need to compare a gun to another one that has absolutely nothing in common with it. The KT was made to be an inexpensive carbine that could be transported easily concealed. It does that superbly. It's not supposed to be an HK, or an Uzi, or a Beretta, they all perform their roles admirably, but I can't carry any of them every day with no one knowing it. Well, I guess you could get an SBR Uzi with a folding stock but it may cost a dollar or two more than the KT, and would weigh a bit more.

Bottom line, if you don't want the concealability feature there are much better full size carbines available, the KT is incredibly poor as a full size carbine. If you want the ability to carry it (along with 4 x 31 round mags) next to your sandwiches then there really isn't anything else available near it's price.

 

[DefiantDad]

I definitely agree the SUB2K is in a class of its own (in fact was also trying to get one in 9mm) but for my PRIMARY 9mm carbine it is not on the list. So if my LGS does have the SUB2K available, I probably will get that, but it won't be my only 9mm carbine.

 

[tahunua001]

so please explain why my sentence was complete rubbish when you confirmed 90% of it?
just because YOU have ONE specimen out of 100,000s that actually works the way it was intended does not mean that all of them, or even most of them do.
I've had issues with glocks, kahrs, berettas, colts, rock island armories and HKs, I make sure after I have a bad experience that I read into the matter. it turns out that my experience with the KT is not all that uncommon.

 

[DefiantDad]

http://www.mechtechsys.com/ uses glock lowers

Thanks; extremely interesting and seems a highly viable alternative to the SUB2K