Which Boberg XR9?

Which gun should be offered first?

  • Boberg XR9 Standard Size (5.84")

    Votes: 45 46.4%

  • Boberg XR9 Shorty (4.99")

    Votes: 52 53.6%
  • Total voters
    97
  • Poll closed .
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Are you any closer to figuring out a timeline for some kind of production? I think one of these with a four inch barrel would be absolutely superb.

Are you planning on doing a double stack as well, and if so, will it be fairly slim still?

Great project, good looking gun, I really hope this works out well so I can buy one.
 
New gun interest... peaked.

I'll be watching this one closely because if this sucker works, I want one. I'd prefer the longer one but the short will do fine.
 
A great idea! It's nice to see people being innovative and not just offering more of the same. The poll is closed but I just wanted to trow my opinion out there. I would prefer the micro(6+1) over the shorty because you could always offer an extended magazine with a finger rest to add capacity, but we can't exactly cut the frame if we prefer the grip shorter. You would sell more this way. As a matter of fact, offering a magazine that sticks out quite a bit and increases capacity to 10 rounds would also be a great idea for a backup. Like carrying a G26 but having a G19 mag for a reload. So that would be the flush 6 round mag, 7 round mag with small finger rest and the 10 round backup mag. It would also be nice to offer the gun it two materials, like stainless and aluminum. An optional threaded barrel would also be nice, so I could put a small suppressor on there for the hell of it. You could just offer to sell the standard sized barrel and let the customer get it threaded and use it in his micro/shorty. That way you are not out any money if few customers opt for a threaded barrel, you can still use them for the larger model. I would be in for 2 micros./shortys as long as the price is reasonable. If you came out with the larger one late, I would probably get one. I like unique guns/actions.
 
Just stumbled across this page. I am absolutely floored by the design, I love it.

Please, sell this thing. I would simply love to buy one. How well could this scale up, lets say a .45 or 9mm with a fullsize barrel?
 
LOL, one of my "someday" guns would be a Micro in 10mm.

Nothing else on the market would come even close to that kind of "pocket cannon" status. :D

Now we just have to convince ABBOBERG to make it. ;)
 
That's pretty radical. I might be in... especially if you come up with a built-in laser.

Also, would it be possible to offer a channel sight that runs the length of the slide, or come up with a sightless offering? You'll be hearing a lot of this if you end up with the built-in laser.

Perhaps machine the slide for sights and install removable "blanks" to fill the holes... that would give people the option of adding sights later without a lot of trouble.

Great work!
 
Looks like sweat equity and long suffering may pay off for a very intriguing design. If I have interpreted all the post properly it sounds like you are finished engineering the XR9. Except for materials and barrel length (shorty for me).
What kind of testing will be under the belt of a $1500.00 pocket gun...20,000 rounds and plenty of dirt?
 
What kind of testing will be under the belt of a $1500.00 pocket gun...20,000 rounds and plenty of dirt?
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I don't know where you got the price - not many buyers at that level. I could have run 20k rounds through it if the ammo were still at $10/100 at Wall-Mart, but I have put through a lot fewer so far - only about 4500. I have not dumped dirt into it yet, but have been cycling Aguila and Brown Bear quite a bit. I am cleaning the breech area about every 400 rounds. The gun runs fine as long as the slide is free to move all or most of the way back. Limp-wristing has so far not had an effect on feeding.
 
LOL, one of my "someday" guns would be a Micro in 10mm.
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After having put 300 rounds through the Shorty last weekend, my wrist has gotten sore. Sure, half of the rounds were the very hot Aguila, but I am guessing that with 10mm, even this rotating-barreled gun will have very snappy recoil. Don't get me wrong - I love 10mm, but if I build it, I am going to have to have someone else do the durability testing.
 
Are you planning on doing a double stack as well, and if so, will it be fairly slim still?
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Single-stack right now is .95" thick. I am guessing that a double-stack would be 1.06" thick, but that would be with a polymer frame, which is very expensive to tool up at this point.
 
Single-stack right now is .95" thick. I am guessing that a double-stack would be 1.06" thick, but that would be with a polymer frame, which is very expensive to tool up at this point.
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Well, maybe sometime in the future, once the XR9 has launched...
 
My guesstimation was compiled by:
1. cost will be more than a Rohrbaugh,
2. that was the beginning of this year,
3. energy inflation has inflated all costs
I hope I didn't insult the man who's gun I'd like to own. Are there many/some working models out there that are having the tar & pocket lint beat out of them before production would take place? It seems like a pocket gun should be smooth to draw easily, (absent a holster) mine is melted and easy to draw. How does the XR9 draw from front are rear pockets? Thanks for answering my tedious questions with such thick skin. I'm wishing you much success!
 
I'm pretty sure I've said it before, but I'll say it again.
I'm really impressed with the design. I'd love to get one once I am out of school and have the money.

I am even more impressed though, that the ownder/designer actually participates here on the forum with us. Have we ever seen that before? I know at one point Anthony Imperato (president of Henry rifles) was here, but he wasn't designing anything new. Here, we've got ABOBERG's ear, and he can really take our input into account in making his product. Props to him for opening himself up to us. If more people had that kind of drive and sense, we'd be a hell of a lot better off.
 
I'm impressed. It's been a LONG time since anyone has offered a truly different auto pistol design(even though the concept has been done before). The poll is already closed, but I would prefer the 4.2" barrel model. I'm sure it balances better in the hand, and the additional mass, sight radius, and barrel length only add to improved shootability and handling. It is plenty small for CCW or BUG. I would be in the market for this pistol if you choose to go through with full production. Just please ensure that it is very reliable.

I don't have anything that I would want to change on the prototypes that you have built. If you should decide to make a full sized or compact pistol with this design, definately consider double column magazines, a slide stop lever(slide stays open on last round fired), and additional calibers. Calibers you should consider(if you want good sales) are 9mm, .40S&W, and .45acp. All other calibers are niche calibers and will likely strain your profit margin. A slide stop lever is important in clearing malfunctions.
 
I don't think a slide stop lever would be a good idea on this design, because the slide pulls the round out of the magazine on its rearward travel, then pushes it into the chamber when it slams home. If the slide locked back then letting it forward would result in a full magazine, empty chamber.
 
The slide would have to lock back with a round "in it's grasp". Then insert a full mag, release slide lock, live round slams into chamber.
 
I'm not sure how a slide lock back on last round fired could be accomplished with this design, but an administrative slide lock should be easy to design. The only downside is what Loomis said. A cartridge would be in the grasp of the magazine stripping claw(is there a technical name for this part?) when the action is locked back. However, if the pistol fails to extract an empty cartridge, then the easiest way to clear the malfunction is to lock the action back, then proceed to manually extract the shell. I'm not sure if this design could suffer from a double feed, but locking the action open is the standard method of begining the clearing process on this malfunction as well.

Either way, if Goberg wants to try to tap the law enforcement market, he'll need a slide stop lever or some easy means of clearing possible malfunctions.
 
"I'm not sure how a slide lock back on last round..."

Sure you do. What causes a slide to lock back? Hint: it's not an empty chamber. It's an empty mag. The mag follower pushes up on the slide release lever and TADA, slide is locked. In the case of a boberg, the mag is empty when the last bullet is stripped BACKWARDS and then the slide is locked in that backwards position...with a live round in it's grasp.
 
an administrative slide lock should be easy to design.
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I see where you're coming from, and I agree. As far as a shooting-oriented slide stop goes I can't see this working, he could probably design it to lock back when the mag is empty and no live round gets stripped from it, but then you would have the very serious problem when you slap in a new mag and let the slide go, just like any other pistol, but the chamber would still be empty.
 
You have a good point. Now that I think about it, having the slide lock back after the last round fired might be a bad idea with this design as it would require you to unlock the slide, then cycle the action to chamber a round. However, for malfunction clearing a slide lock button/lever would be ideal.

Some means of determining if your pistol is empty is a great characteristic of any firearm though. Pulling the trigger and getting a click when you need a bang can be a nightmare. Perhaps instead of locking the slide back on the last round fired and ejected, you can have some other visual and felt means of telling if you are empty. Since this is a DAO pistol, perhaps having a mechanism that locks the trigger to the rear most position would be a good indicator of an empty pistol. You can clearly feel that you are empty even in the dark, and it should lock the hammer back for visual aid....should it not. Maybe paint the top of the hammer a bright orange so you can clearly see the hammer is locked to the rear.
 
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