Who Knows Someone Who's Been Shot?
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I have a friend who was shot by his cousin while they were hunting quail in Texas brush country. Probably 30-35 yards, through enough brush they couldn't see each other, #8 shot. Luckily, his gun and left forearm protected his face, but he ended up with a bunch of pellets in his left hand and arm and chest.
He called his doctor back home, and asked what to do. Was told to go to an emergency room. Since the nearest one was a few hours drive away, he decided he would wait until he got home on Monday. Goes to hospital, says he's been in a hunting accident. Cops come in before he sees a doctor. He tells them the whole story, there's a massive investigation. His cousin, who's an attorney, ends up hiring an attorney to handle it. All the other members of the hunting party, all attorneys including a couple of judges, give statements. Six months later, things are seemingly all settled.
He's out of town on business. Six in the morning, someone pounds on the door of his house. His wife answers, and it's game wardens, there to arrest him. They tell her that they have a report that he was injured while quail hunting on such and such a date, and quail season is closed then.
She says yes, but it was in TEXAS, not here, which it also SAYS in the report, which I have a COPY of right here, and quail season in TEXAS is OPEN then, you IDIOTS. And it's SIX in the MORNING. Idiots is apparently the nicest thing she called them. That was the end of that.
He called his doctor back home, and asked what to do. Was told to go to an emergency room. Since the nearest one was a few hours drive away, he decided he would wait until he got home on Monday. Goes to hospital, says he's been in a hunting accident. Cops come in before he sees a doctor. He tells them the whole story, there's a massive investigation. His cousin, who's an attorney, ends up hiring an attorney to handle it. All the other members of the hunting party, all attorneys including a couple of judges, give statements. Six months later, things are seemingly all settled.
He's out of town on business. Six in the morning, someone pounds on the door of his house. His wife answers, and it's game wardens, there to arrest him. They tell her that they have a report that he was injured while quail hunting on such and such a date, and quail season is closed then.
She says yes, but it was in TEXAS, not here, which it also SAYS in the report, which I have a COPY of right here, and quail season in TEXAS is OPEN then, you IDIOTS. And it's SIX in the MORNING. Idiots is apparently the nicest thing she called them. That was the end of that.
Bear Gulch
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I know several. Most had it happen in the Land of Bad Things. One friend got shot wwhile serving a mission in Tonga. Part of their groceries each month canm from shooting fruit fax bats with an old single shot 12 gauge. His mission companion put several bbs into his hip where they still reside today. That is the only non combat shooting that I know of.
Pilgrim
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I knew two peace officers who managed to shoot themselves with their duty weapons. One was a city police officer who climbed up on the roof of a business to see if a burglar was escaping through a skylight. He shot his leg.
The other was a deputy sheriff who was cleaning his weapon. After cleaning and reassembling the pistol, he was doing a combination of function checking and dry firing. He then loaded the pistol and somehow managed to put a round through his upper and lower leg. He had a total of four holes, two entrance, two exit.
When he was asked if it hurt, he said it wasn't that bad until the emergency room doctor ran a probe/swab through the wound channels to clean out any foreign material. He said that really hurt.
Oh, I almost forgot the third. He was a California Highway Patrol officer who was really jazzed about the new Smith & Wesson 4006 pistols the department was issuing. He was explaining to his partner one night how one could 'safe' a semi-auto from firing by pushing the slide back out of battery. This was his officer safety hint of the evening for when someone managed to get control of the officer's pistol.
He demonstrated this safety hint by pressing the muzzle of his pistol to his belly so as to push the slide back, then pulled the trigger. Unfortunately, he hadn't pushed the slide back far enough for the disconnector to work. After the bang he exclaimed, "I shot myself."
His partner responded, "You sure did."
The 'Chippie' survived, but it was a close thing. I have no idea what the Highway Patrol did with him after that.
Pilgrim
The other was a deputy sheriff who was cleaning his weapon. After cleaning and reassembling the pistol, he was doing a combination of function checking and dry firing. He then loaded the pistol and somehow managed to put a round through his upper and lower leg. He had a total of four holes, two entrance, two exit.
When he was asked if it hurt, he said it wasn't that bad until the emergency room doctor ran a probe/swab through the wound channels to clean out any foreign material. He said that really hurt.
Oh, I almost forgot the third. He was a California Highway Patrol officer who was really jazzed about the new Smith & Wesson 4006 pistols the department was issuing. He was explaining to his partner one night how one could 'safe' a semi-auto from firing by pushing the slide back out of battery. This was his officer safety hint of the evening for when someone managed to get control of the officer's pistol.
He demonstrated this safety hint by pressing the muzzle of his pistol to his belly so as to push the slide back, then pulled the trigger. Unfortunately, he hadn't pushed the slide back far enough for the disconnector to work. After the bang he exclaimed, "I shot myself."
His partner responded, "You sure did."
The 'Chippie' survived, but it was a close thing. I have no idea what the Highway Patrol did with him after that.
Pilgrim
mbs357
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I can never remember a problem with guns that go over forgetting ear protection...done that once or twice.
Now, with cars...whoa...our family's been through a fair share of accidents with those, not all our fault.
But guns...guns have always been our best friends.
Now, with cars...whoa...our family's been through a fair share of accidents with those, not all our fault.
But guns...guns have always been our best friends.
Approximates that I recall:
Automobile related fatalaties in the US anually - 45,000. I believe I found this on the Department of Transportation's website or National Safety something something.
I don't recall the figure for injures however I believe it was in the 100,000+ range.
Properity damage figures were in the millions.
Firearm related deaths in the US anually - 12,000. If I recall correctly this was from the CDC. However this figure is further broken down by,
%58 of 12,000 are suicides
%38 of 12,000 are homicides
%4 of 12,000 are accidental shootings
Of the 58% the CDC also tosses in any shootings ruled as justifiable homicides by law enforcement or non law enforcement officals.
If I recally correctly the above figures represent the year of 2001.
Stevie-Ray
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I knew one guy that was shot in the shoulder (in & out) with a small caliber weapon and didn't even report it. Said this kind of thing went on all the time where he lived.
Also had 2 friends including an old girlfriend that shot and killed themselves.
And my mother was shot in the ass with rock salt for tipping over somebody's outhouse when she was a kid
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Also had 2 friends including an old girlfriend that shot and killed themselves.
And my mother was shot in the ass with rock salt for tipping over somebody's outhouse when she was a kid
.Harry Paget Flashman
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When I was 10 years old a neighbor boy my age was hitting .22's on the sidewalk with a hammer. A group of us were watching in fascination. On about the fifth strike he was hit in the forearm. Not much blood but a terrible looking .22 caliber pucker. Lots of stupidity going on that day. The kid's dad had given him a handful of cartridges to play with. The rest of us (3) were all kneeling and watching within 3 feet.
Back in '73 I got hit in the forehead and jaw by a .45-70 ricochet. I was 25 and alcohol was invovled. Not my proudest moment and lots of explaining to the sheriff's deputy in Ukiah, California who made me agree with him that I was the dumbest S.O.B. he'd ever met. That was the easy part. I was active duty military and the next day I had to present the hospital bill, ahead of an anticipated police report, to my Command. I sweated bullets for months waiting for a courts-martial that never came.
Drinking and handling firearms is an order of magnitude more irresponsible than driving under the influence.
Anybody have an alcohol/firearms story?
Back in '73 I got hit in the forehead and jaw by a .45-70 ricochet. I was 25 and alcohol was invovled. Not my proudest moment and lots of explaining to the sheriff's deputy in Ukiah, California who made me agree with him that I was the dumbest S.O.B. he'd ever met. That was the easy part. I was active duty military and the next day I had to present the hospital bill, ahead of an anticipated police report, to my Command. I sweated bullets for months waiting for a courts-martial that never came.
Drinking and handling firearms is an order of magnitude more irresponsible than driving under the influence.
Anybody have an alcohol/firearms story?
I got the rocksalt treatment as well when I was about 11. Needless to say, I never played in that ladies woods again.
A friend of mine from college was shot by his 13 year old cousin in a hunting accident a few years back. He didn't make it.
Another "aquantice" of mine used to be a bail enforcement agent. One of his customers didn't show for court so he had to go get him. When he found the guy, said scum bag pulled a .45 and shot him in the forehead from about 4 feet away. Bullet traveld around his skull and lodged behind his ear. He still managed to wrestle the guy to the ground and arrest him. I believe he also gave him a pretty good beating before the cops got there. (What was that about the .45 being able to kill just by passing too close?)
Cars, well there are too many crashes to count.
A friend of mine from college was shot by his 13 year old cousin in a hunting accident a few years back. He didn't make it.
Another "aquantice" of mine used to be a bail enforcement agent. One of his customers didn't show for court so he had to go get him. When he found the guy, said scum bag pulled a .45 and shot him in the forehead from about 4 feet away. Bullet traveld around his skull and lodged behind his ear. He still managed to wrestle the guy to the ground and arrest him. I believe he also gave him a pretty good beating before the cops got there. (What was that about the .45 being able to kill just by passing too close?)
Cars, well there are too many crashes to count.
I knew 2 aquaintances who were shot killed in detroit. One in a carjacking, he was 19 and tried to drive off from the assalant who was 14. The other was killed by a 16 year old drug dealer trying to buy pot on 6 mile and mound in detroit though he always was lookin for trouble and one day got it. I myself have always lived a clean cut life and know enough to stay the h..ll out of the sorry excuse of a city we call detroit. with the exception of the commercailized downtown district. The inner city subdivisions are far worse than most can imagine.
thorn726
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i know many people, all of them shot by small caliber, .25 or .22
one time it was cuz some gangsters came ot a weed selling area, no one would sell thme any, so 3 hippies got shot, oe in the chest, one in the leg, one in the back.
they all survived no problem, .25 caliber.
seen many wounds.
HEHHA! most recent was a real DUMB one.
we found a derringer on a hauling job. i tell buddy put it away , don't play with it.
i go to the dump. shortly thereafter get a call, my other worker had to take first guy to hospital (thank god someone had a vehicle)
this moron tried to load the derringer, snapped it together and it put a .22 through his hand. VERY lucky , no bones, and he had medical coverage.
the police essentially said "worked related" and laughed at him for being a retard.
funny, they never inquired as to the gun, i passed it on to a collector/expert
wh owould take better care of it, awfully dangerous those little guns if you arent super careful
one time it was cuz some gangsters came ot a weed selling area, no one would sell thme any, so 3 hippies got shot, oe in the chest, one in the leg, one in the back.
they all survived no problem, .25 caliber.
seen many wounds.
HEHHA! most recent was a real DUMB one.
we found a derringer on a hauling job. i tell buddy put it away , don't play with it.
i go to the dump. shortly thereafter get a call, my other worker had to take first guy to hospital (thank god someone had a vehicle)
this moron tried to load the derringer, snapped it together and it put a .22 through his hand. VERY lucky , no bones, and he had medical coverage.
the police essentially said "worked related" and laughed at him for being a retard.
funny, they never inquired as to the gun, i passed it on to a collector/expert
wh owould take better care of it, awfully dangerous those little guns if you arent super careful
P95Carry
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One thing is very evident with the ''accident'' category shootings ... almost universal disregard for rules #2 and #4 .... were those always followed there would just have been holes in dirt at worst.
grampster
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I have been shot twice. Once a ND by a fellow detective fooling around with a jambed pistol and I got hit in the leg with a ricochet. Once hit hard in the handwith a pellet from a shotgun while rabbit hunting. My father in law was shot in the face and head while hunting pats. Came out of a ditch when a bird went up and someone in his party fired. He survived.
I had three fellow leo friends of mine murdered while I was still in the Job. One shot through a door in the head by a felon with a shotgun, another while apprehending armed robbers and the third trying to apprehend a burglar. The last two were shot in the left shoulder area, one with .22 and the other with a .25. Bullets fragmented and rambled around inside their chests and chopped up arteries in the heart. Both bled to death over a short time, maybe 5 minutes.
I had three fellow leo friends of mine murdered while I was still in the Job. One shot through a door in the head by a felon with a shotgun, another while apprehending armed robbers and the third trying to apprehend a burglar. The last two were shot in the left shoulder area, one with .22 and the other with a .25. Bullets fragmented and rambled around inside their chests and chopped up arteries in the heart. Both bled to death over a short time, maybe 5 minutes.
Smoke
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One guy I know was shot with birdshot from a distance, non-fatality but required quite a bit of time in the ER removing all the pellets. None penetrated more than just under the skin.
Another friend was shot when a .22 pistol that was under the seat of a friends truck fired and went through his thigh.
Another....ummm...acquaintance was shot in the foot with a .22 by his brother. (on purpose, self defense)
Only know one person killed, high school teacher shot by her husband.
I know more than I can think of that were hurt in car wrecks, quite a few that were killed.
Smoke
Another friend was shot when a .22 pistol that was under the seat of a friends truck fired and went through his thigh.
Another....ummm...acquaintance was shot in the foot with a .22 by his brother. (on purpose, self defense)
Only know one person killed, high school teacher shot by her husband.
I know more than I can think of that were hurt in car wrecks, quite a few that were killed.
Smoke
Stevie-Ray
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I don't know why, but I found that hysterical.
I know a couple of WWII vets who were shot in Germany.
There's an feller at the office who was shot in Vietnam. The injury has been aggravated over the years and he just had hip replacement surgery. He can now walk without limping.
There's this guy who grew up in my neighborhood named Doug who was shot in the shoulder by ex-wife's lover.
I used to have a boss who was a vietnam vet who was shot in the leg, and he had a limp. At the same job, one of the foreman was shot in the leg in Veitnam, and became a POW. He did not have a limp, but the VC pulled all his teeth out because they rotted in the prison camp.
I can't think of any more but I know there were a few.
There's an feller at the office who was shot in Vietnam. The injury has been aggravated over the years and he just had hip replacement surgery. He can now walk without limping.
There's this guy who grew up in my neighborhood named Doug who was shot in the shoulder by ex-wife's lover.
I used to have a boss who was a vietnam vet who was shot in the leg, and he had a limp. At the same job, one of the foreman was shot in the leg in Veitnam, and became a POW. He did not have a limp, but the VC pulled all his teeth out because they rotted in the prison camp.
I can't think of any more but I know there were a few.
jamz
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I knew a guy in Florida who had had a couple of tours in Vietnam- he was shot a few times there. Upon coming back, every few years, he'd end up in some kind of situation in which he'd be shot again. Sometimes in the middle of things, sometimes just a bystander. He said he'd been shot a total of 12 times, in four or five different instances.
He had a few holes in his neck, through which leaked saliva more or less constantly.. He had to wear a towel around his neck to absorb it. He was some kind of serious badass in the military- and he was a dive master, taught me how to dive, so he might have been a SEAL? I don't remember, and it was long before I knew anything at all about military stuff.
His wife, the sweetest, most demure, homemaker type, turns out she was an Air Force survival instructor.
They were really great people.
-James
He had a few holes in his neck, through which leaked saliva more or less constantly.. He had to wear a towel around his neck to absorb it. He was some kind of serious badass in the military- and he was a dive master, taught me how to dive, so he might have been a SEAL? I don't remember, and it was long before I knew anything at all about military stuff.
His wife, the sweetest, most demure, homemaker type, turns out she was an Air Force survival instructor.
They were really great people.
-James
mtnbkr
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My wife's maternal grandfather was shot in the shoulder, in Italy, during WWII. It wasn't the gunshot itself that did the damage, but the idiot Italian doctor that tried to patch him up. It ended up infected and he lost a lot of muscle when an American doc repaired the damage.
Chris
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I have several friends who have died in cars. One cousin, one nieghbor, pastors wife, and a college roomate, three of the four hit and killed by dwi drivers. the forth was older woman who made a turn on a foggy night onto the wrong side of a roadway island and was headoned by a car full of highschoolers, thanks fully they all lived. when I was teaching high school we had a prom night with several students killed or paralyzed when a 17 yo drunken stud athlete tried to drive daddys car while getting uhmmmm oral pleasure from his girlfriend. the details of that accident still turn my stomach.
I've been shot twice. Once a robbery just off michigan avenue in chicago, POS 38 he had blew up when he pulled the trigger and the 38 wadcutter got stuck in my sternum, I still have the bullet in my reloading bench. Bastard blew off three fingers of his hand when the gun grenaded, I was just leaving Cook County Hospital in the company of one of chicago's finest when I look up and the shooter is walking in looking pale and his hand all wrapped up in bar towel. Told the cop "hey thats him!!" and the fight was. Homey and his two brothers vs one pissed off chicago cop. It was no contest. Turns out, the gun he used he found in a vacant lot and had no idea how to fire it. He was trying to pull the hammer back with his off hand when he slipped and it discharged, but the barrel was semi plugged which saved me.
The second time was hunting in southern minnesota for pheasant, an over eager dog went out too far and then came back after he missed a rooster. As the bird took off a kid followed it and swung with his gun right at me. I screamed like a little girl and flinched just as he pulled the trigger, I got nineteen #7 1/2 pellets that made it through the jacket and shirts and the two birds in the vest prolly saved my spine, I got it as I was turning and ducking as it hit so most of the damage was to my right arm, base of my neck and top of my shoulder. I was fine till they started to flush out the holes wear the pellets had gone through clothing, the stick a dull needle in the hole and pump it full of water, flushing out any contaminants and instantly swelling you up like a balloon, I was swearing like a sailor over that one.
Got stabbed in the back when a bar fight went nuts and I was not involved but trying to get out of the bar and guy took a wild swing at bg #2 and hit me instead. right under right arm along side ribs. a trip to cook county hospital was next. irrigation, suturing and antibiotics and darvon was next.
Only people I know who died from firearms are by there own hand. an ex girlfrinds dad did the deed after finding out he had incurable livver cancer at an advanced stage. another was a son of a co worker, closet gay and unable to tell father he was hiv pos. went hunting and "slipped" with the 12 ga. but left a note to a freind.
I've been shot twice. Once a robbery just off michigan avenue in chicago, POS 38 he had blew up when he pulled the trigger and the 38 wadcutter got stuck in my sternum, I still have the bullet in my reloading bench. Bastard blew off three fingers of his hand when the gun grenaded, I was just leaving Cook County Hospital in the company of one of chicago's finest when I look up and the shooter is walking in looking pale and his hand all wrapped up in bar towel. Told the cop "hey thats him!!" and the fight was. Homey and his two brothers vs one pissed off chicago cop. It was no contest. Turns out, the gun he used he found in a vacant lot and had no idea how to fire it. He was trying to pull the hammer back with his off hand when he slipped and it discharged, but the barrel was semi plugged which saved me.
The second time was hunting in southern minnesota for pheasant, an over eager dog went out too far and then came back after he missed a rooster. As the bird took off a kid followed it and swung with his gun right at me. I screamed like a little girl and flinched just as he pulled the trigger, I got nineteen #7 1/2 pellets that made it through the jacket and shirts and the two birds in the vest prolly saved my spine, I got it as I was turning and ducking as it hit so most of the damage was to my right arm, base of my neck and top of my shoulder. I was fine till they started to flush out the holes wear the pellets had gone through clothing, the stick a dull needle in the hole and pump it full of water, flushing out any contaminants and instantly swelling you up like a balloon, I was swearing like a sailor over that one.
Got stabbed in the back when a bar fight went nuts and I was not involved but trying to get out of the bar and guy took a wild swing at bg #2 and hit me instead. right under right arm along side ribs. a trip to cook county hospital was next. irrigation, suturing and antibiotics and darvon was next.
Only people I know who died from firearms are by there own hand. an ex girlfrinds dad did the deed after finding out he had incurable livver cancer at an advanced stage. another was a son of a co worker, closet gay and unable to tell father he was hiv pos. went hunting and "slipped" with the 12 ga. but left a note to a freind.
benEzra
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No one in my extended circle of friends has ever been shot that I know of, but my college roomate was killed in a motorcycle accident, a high school classmate was killed by a drunk driver, and I've lost track of the fatal or probable-fatal car accidents I've seen while either traveling or driving to work...
Andrew Rothman
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The numbers ain't even close.
From the CDC, 2002
Firearms injuries: 58,841
Traffic injuries: 4,471,758 (that's 75 times as many as firearms!)
Firearms deaths: 30,242 (17,108 suicides; 11,829 homicides; 762 accidents; 300 "legal interventions" -- justified police shootings, basically; and 243 "undetermined")
Traffic deaths: 44,065 (3.7 times as many deaths as firearms homicide, or 1.5 times as many as ALL firearms deaths.)
See for yourself at http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/wisqars/default.htm
From the CDC, 2002
Firearms injuries: 58,841
Traffic injuries: 4,471,758 (that's 75 times as many as firearms!)
Firearms deaths: 30,242 (17,108 suicides; 11,829 homicides; 762 accidents; 300 "legal interventions" -- justified police shootings, basically; and 243 "undetermined")
Traffic deaths: 44,065 (3.7 times as many deaths as firearms homicide, or 1.5 times as many as ALL firearms deaths.)
See for yourself at http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/wisqars/default.htm
jefnvk
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Know a few people personally hurt in car accidents.
The only gun injury I have ever heard in the area of was a few years ago when a kid shot his friend with a gun they had found. Didn't know either of them.
Truer words have not been spoken.
The only gun injury I have ever heard in the area of was a few years ago when a kid shot his friend with a gun they had found. Didn't know either of them.
Truer words have not been spoken.
sumpnz
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Older guy I met in New Zealand was shot by son while duck hunting. He moved from the area he told his son he'd be in and when his son fired at some ducks he caught several pellets in his leg.
The teacher at the high school I went to in New Zealand that oversaw the target shooting club had a student killed by another while deer hunting. They went out together, best of friends, and they saw a deer. One kneeled down, fired and missed. The other was behind the first guy and after his friend missed he aimed and fired. Just as he was firing his friend stood up and got his head blown off.
A good friend of my Sempei (both cops) responded to a domestic disturbance call in Philly. She was ambushed and fatally shot through the neck by the perp.
As far as car accidents, I got a couple hundred stitches in my forehead from a T-bone wreck in HS (I was in the back seat).
Wife's cousin killed when hit head on by teen girl yacking on a cell phone swerved into oncoming lanes to avoid rear-ending another car. Lots of fender benders with little or no injuries.
Guy at my first high school was rollerblading and went onto a road and got hit by a car (totally the kids fault). No helmet. He died.
My wife was rollerblading home from work in Wichita. Guy ran a red light and hit her. Dislocated her shoulder and scraped up her face. Aside from a weaker shoulder you can't tall anymore.
Also in NZ, I ran up a parked car while on my bike (pretty girl riding next to me). A couple days later I got knocked off my bike by a car. Only injuries (other than to pride) in both were scraped palms and such.
The teacher at the high school I went to in New Zealand that oversaw the target shooting club had a student killed by another while deer hunting. They went out together, best of friends, and they saw a deer. One kneeled down, fired and missed. The other was behind the first guy and after his friend missed he aimed and fired. Just as he was firing his friend stood up and got his head blown off.
A good friend of my Sempei (both cops) responded to a domestic disturbance call in Philly. She was ambushed and fatally shot through the neck by the perp.
As far as car accidents, I got a couple hundred stitches in my forehead from a T-bone wreck in HS (I was in the back seat).
Wife's cousin killed when hit head on by teen girl yacking on a cell phone swerved into oncoming lanes to avoid rear-ending another car. Lots of fender benders with little or no injuries.
Guy at my first high school was rollerblading and went onto a road and got hit by a car (totally the kids fault). No helmet. He died.
My wife was rollerblading home from work in Wichita. Guy ran a red light and hit her. Dislocated her shoulder and scraped up her face. Aside from a weaker shoulder you can't tall anymore.
Also in NZ, I ran up a parked car while on my bike (pretty girl riding next to me). A couple days later I got knocked off my bike by a car. Only injuries (other than to pride) in both were scraped palms and such.
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