Why .357 and not .45?

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Actually most people would tell you to take a 357 revolver with you over a 44 automag, or a 50 ae simply because a revolver isnt going to give you an issue of stove piping or failure to feed when a black bere or grizller is trying to do a rhinoplasty on you.

However id go for a 44 mag in a lever action format just for the punching power.
 
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As far as two legged snakes go, my .357s will work on them, but if I'm duck hunting with a shotgun, or deer hunting with a .308, I don't normally carry a handgun. I do if I'm out west spot and stalking, but then my .357 is usually stoked with .38s for rabbits. I don't worry a lot about 2 legged predators afield. Nobody in his right mind is going to mess with a guy carrying a .308 Winchester or a 12 gauge duck gun anyway. I carry self defense handguns in the concrete jungle. That's because I can't get away with totin' my .308 there.

Hiking, backpacking, I don't do that too much anymore, haven't in a while, but plan some in the future, maybe. But, I feel quite safe from any and everything in the western states with a .357. It's hard enough for a 55 year old to hike, much less tote a long gun while doing it. Every ounce counts. In the past, I've hiked a LOT of miles without ANY gun what so ever. It ain't like there's a bear behind every tree out there lookin' at you as supper, ya know. Be smart, don't sleep with your food, you won't have a problem. How many bear attacks are there in a year, anyway, from black bear? You guys sure are paranoid. The .357 K frame is light on the hip, easy to tote, and there in the highly unlikely event that you need it. There's really no need to dress up like Arnold Schwarzenegger in "predator", carry a mini gun and 10K rounds of ammo for it, when back packing. Walk 10 miles in rough country with any long gun and tell me you NEED it for bear defense. Yeah, okay, whatever.
 
I believe it was Jim Carmichael in Guns and Ammo magazine many years ago who answered this question quite well.

Some nimrod asked him the best load for a .357 in bear country as he was going to handload some special rounds for bear defense.

Mr. Carmichael responded to use any primer, any load of powder recommended in a manual but to make absolutely sure to use cast lead bullets, lubricated with bacon grease so when the gun was empty the nimrod could throw it down and hope the bear stopped to smell it long enough for him to climb a tall tree.:D
 
I grew up near the front range in Montana. Spent alot of my younger years roaming through the Bob Marshall and Scape Goat wilderness. I've seen Blacks and Grizz roaming around and if there is one weapon that works best it's called common sense. That being said the smallest thing on my hip would be a 357. Alot of the guides I knew then carried 44 mags or a shot gun. A good camp shot gun is the way to go, no wondering if there is enough stopping power. I have a 45, a 357, a 44, and a 45 colt. If it's just a day hike I like my 357 for weight reasons and I feel the odds are in my favor of not seeing a big and hungry bear. If I'm going on an extended stay in the woods my camp gun goes with me. A nice handy shot gun.
 
Understand, bears are big and tough enough and their skulls spongy to make pretty much ANY handgun insufficient. We commonly accept that handguns are insufficient for humans as well. Bears are at least twice the size of a human.

The very large revolver calibers are obviously the real choice if one were to buy a handgun JUST for bear protection. (Like that short-barrel S&W 500.) One option to consider, if you want to get significantly more penetration out of your .45 rather than switch to a new gun might be to look into a .400 Corbon barrel.
 
hey, I love my 1911's and carry them more than anything else, but I have also seen them bounce off trees

Haha, me too, it's the strangest thing ever to walk up to a telephone pole and find a couple perfectly un-mutilated rounds 3 ft from the base!

I'd say if you have FMJ anthing you'll be fine. We're not talking about hunting bear (as in, having a moral obligation to take down a bear in a humane way), we're talking about protection. I think a .45acp FMJ is just fine, but if I had to choose (and I live just down the hill from Black bears) I would pick .357 too...
 
no debate at all

Auto on hip strong side extra mags other side, revolver shoulder rig, Back up (a) ankle holster back up (b) small of back inside the pants holster.

remember NO ONE EVERY DIED FROM HAVING TOO MANY GUNS OR AMMO LEFT OVER AFTER A GUN FIGHT
 
I live in the mountains of Colorado and have had several Black Bear incidents including one that tried to break into the house. The dogs have done all the heavy lifting so far. Luckily I have never fired against a bear in anger. In the home I keep a 12 ga loaded with Brenneke slugs in the first few rds and 3-inch 00-buck after that as primary defense and 44 mag loaded with Speer Gold Dot 270 gr JFP as backup. In the woods my minimum has been 40 cal with 180 FN FMJ. I think 357 with hard cast SWC would be a good choice, but I would prefer 41 mag or 44 mag. I have been considering one of the light weight 44 mags since mine is 6-inch, steel, heavy. I can handle recoil for short practice no problem. The 460, 480, 500 mags are too heavy to carry all the time in my opinion.
 
I carry a 357 for general purposes.
As an avid bowhunter and backpacker, I have to say that the number of times I've needed to use a gun to run a bear off or defend myself after 35 years is zero. But, you never know, do you?
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Make sure you're taking as much care with your bear prevention strategy as you are with your weapon choice.

I will say this: I've seen bears wrestle each other in the woods, and I've seen them at full gallop. There's generally something hardwired into the brain that creates a prey response when something this big and scary is after you, or even in a bad mood around you. If you have one bluff charge you, your gun won't feel quite so big in your hands and you'll wish you'd put the food away (including that apple in your pants pocket) in a bear bag and not thrown those fish bones in the fire.
If an auto jams, you'll probably stand there trying to pull the trigger as it charges down on you. If the safety is on, you'll probably stand there trying to pull the trigger as it charges down on you.
With a wheelgun, once you get past the prey response in your brain's wiring, all you do is pull the trigger and hope smokey goes down before you hear *click*.

& another joke &
Guy gets to alaska for a fishing trip. He meets his guide and tells him, with chest poked way out, that he brought a hand gun with him "for bear."
"Oh yeah?" Says the Gude. "What sorta gun you got?"
"I got a _ insert gigantic favorite griz handgun here_ ." he said with great pride.
"didja file the front sight off?"
"What so I can draw it faster?"
"No," says the guide, " it'll just hurt less when the bear shoves it in your backside."
 
Auto on hip strong side extra mags other side, revolver shoulder rig, Back up (a) ankle holster back up (b) small of back inside the pants holster.

remember NO ONE EVERY DIED FROM HAVING TOO MANY GUNS OR AMMO

Well, there have been a few drownings...

Actually, a pretty small percentage of people died from bear attacks even when all we had were flint spears. Something like 20-30% of all humans have died from poxviruses. There's no reason to think that that will change soon (although the poxviruses will be artificial).
 
2 years ago my father had a Bear tag. He took a 420 LB. Black bear with a
.41 mag. 1 shot to the throat. Approx. 35 Yards.
 
Another multi-gun Texan here. :) Never hiked among big bears, but if the opportunity suddenly arose, I would follow the advice of Phil Shoemaker regarding ammo. My 24/7 SP101 would be stoked with hardcast heavy .357 loads, and I have indeed practiced with the stuff. But, Mr. Shoemaker did not say the .357 was best for everyone, and carries bigger himself. So, the big belt-holstered sixgun would be .45 Colt, probably a Ruger Bisley. Next, if feasible, a .45-70 rifle or a Remington 870P with Brenneke slugs. The shotgun option would be more likely as a "community" gun on the vehicle or in a boat. No need for all four of these options to be present. Like I said, no personal experience among big bears, but I have had discussions with those who have been there. Oddly enough, Phil Shoemaker has written favorably of the Mini-14 being used in Alaska as a utility rifle, including success in calm hands against bears, during emergencies, of course, NOT for bear HUNTING. (The current issue of Rifle or Handloader magazine.) As much as I like the handling qualities of my Mini, I might want it with me, if I also had the Bisley with stout .45 hard-cast Colt loads, and my objective was other than bear hunting. There are times when my support-side shoulder goes on strike when it comes to hefting heavy long guns, and the lightweight Mini, loaded with premium bonded-core or solid ammo, would beat throwing rocks and sticks, especially when coming to the defense of another person. Twenty rounds of premium ammo is nothing to sneeze at, even for a bear. Just to be clear, I am not advocating .223 for bear hunting!
 
BTW, I distinctly remember reading of a polar expedition in the early 20th Century, and they killed a polar bear with a government-issued Colt .45, most likely a 1911 .45 ACP, but possibly an older SAA in .45 Colt. The author was not clear on the details, that I can remember, but the shooter was a military guy, using his sidearm.
 
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