Why all the Glock hate?
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revjross
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I've owned and/or fired Springfields, S&W's, Sigs, Walthers, Kimbers, Kahrs......etc. and Glocks. ---- The Glocks have NEVER malfunctioned in any way (others have). They may not be the prettiest ---- but they get it right in the most important area!! 
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If you think you've got some issues, Rockstar, you might not want to wait until you go into combat before seeking the help you need.
Ash
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CZ equals or exceeds the Glock in quality. Of course, I didn't have my brain cut in two
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I own both CZ and Glock, and that's not been my experience. If I could do it over I'd own to Glocks and no CZs.
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new meat on the battle field
for war..... anything that fires the .45 G.A.P. !!!!!!!!!!!!! yea baby.
for war..... anything that fires the .45 G.A.P. !!!!!!!!!!!!! yea baby.
Island Beretta
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I own a Glock and not a CZ but the CZ is way higher quality..
Graystar
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Because a non-American company came up with the best design for a duty weapon.
Sure does tick ME off! But I own a Glock anyway.
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Way no comment.
Krag
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The armed forces and/or national police of Sweden, Finland the the Netherlands use the G17/G19.
Chris Rhines
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And here we demonstrate the dangers of overly broad statements...
I replaced my CZ-75 with a Glock 35. The CZ malfunctioned constantly in competition. The Glock does not. The Glock also has a 2# trigger, takes 20 rounds in the magazine, and will shoot into 2" at 25 yards as a matter of course. Still want to put your CZ against my Glock? What range, what COF, and how much?
I still have that CZ-75, although I rarely shoot it. I still like the platform, but the Glock has proved a lot more dependable. It's easier to focus on the shooting when you aren't worrying about your gear letting you down.
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I can’t hate Glocks, but I sure do dislike them with a passion. I base that on trigger, ergonomics, quality of the breed and more.
The fact that they may always go “boom†only goes so far in the bigger picture. Compare that concept to plain water, which also serves in a critical capacity for us. But how many of our psyches would be content with ONLY water available for drinks 24/7. That conveniently brings me to the other half of the equation … Glock owners.
Just as Danny Glover or Alec Baldwin always seem to automatically taint a movie for me, the disproportionably large, strangely defensive and naively spellbound segment of fanatical Glock owners is a very real part of my overall bad attitude here.
I also see the huge number of rank novices that choose this pistol as their own. While the pistol made indeed be sound, the newbie factor alone tells me a lot about the advertising and street hype surrounding this pistol.
Let’s put it this way; through my years in the shooting sports, “gun folk†have usually proven out to have an beautiful blend of gracious manners, common sense and good, solid judgment. ‘Nuff said there.
We were given our precious senses for many reasons, and not all of them utilitarian. It would seem to take a rather odd individual to summarily dismiss the finer points in anything … and go so head-over-heels for the “water†version.
W
The fact that they may always go “boom†only goes so far in the bigger picture. Compare that concept to plain water, which also serves in a critical capacity for us. But how many of our psyches would be content with ONLY water available for drinks 24/7. That conveniently brings me to the other half of the equation … Glock owners.
Just as Danny Glover or Alec Baldwin always seem to automatically taint a movie for me, the disproportionably large, strangely defensive and naively spellbound segment of fanatical Glock owners is a very real part of my overall bad attitude here.
I also see the huge number of rank novices that choose this pistol as their own. While the pistol made indeed be sound, the newbie factor alone tells me a lot about the advertising and street hype surrounding this pistol.
Let’s put it this way; through my years in the shooting sports, “gun folk†have usually proven out to have an beautiful blend of gracious manners, common sense and good, solid judgment. ‘Nuff said there.
We were given our precious senses for many reasons, and not all of them utilitarian. It would seem to take a rather odd individual to summarily dismiss the finer points in anything … and go so head-over-heels for the “water†version.
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Ash
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And, since we wish to throw out anecdotes, my CZ-75Turk has YET to have a failure of any kind. Period.
Overly broad statements are very comonly spouted from the mouths of Glockites.
Ash
Overly broad statements are very comonly spouted from the mouths of Glockites.
Ash
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Warner, very well said!
I wasn't gonna touch this thread ... being a dedicated 1911 guy who's tried for years to convert the heathen -- but Warner, you echo my sentiments exactly (and I yours).
And hey, count me in with the folks who also believe CZ-75s are superior to Glocks as well ...
I wasn't gonna touch this thread ... being a dedicated 1911 guy who's tried for years to convert the heathen -- but Warner, you echo my sentiments exactly (and I yours).
And hey, count me in with the folks who also believe CZ-75s are superior to Glocks as well ...
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Warner, that's an incredible insult to a large number of THR members. If you read through this thread, you'll find that most of the obnoxious, insulting posts have been posted by the anti-Glock folks. Most of the pro-Glock folks have simply been responding with logical arguments. Much of the animousity from the anti-Glock crowd seems to result from their negative reaction to the use of logic. Hence they resort to emotions and start insulting the Glock's lack of "soul."
I know I haven't insulted any other gun or the owners of those guns. I have just said that in a torture test on AR15.com, the Glock was the only pistol that passed. I have also said that I thought the Glock was of higher quality than the CZ because I own a CZ75B with problems and a Glock without problems. I'm talking from experience. Most of the people who take issue with my experience lack any of their own. Strike up one more for those who find logic annoying.
To imply that Glock owners are firearms newbies is also a dangerous statement. I got my first firearm in 1971, and have owned dozens of handguns from most major makers, foreign and domestic. My decision to buy nothing but Glock autoloaders in the future comes from much experience rather than inexperience.
If Glock fans are obnoxious and inexperienced, then Glock haters are obnoxious, inexperienced, and illogical. I'd rather be the former than the latter.
BTW, if given a choice between drinking nothing but water or nothing but another beverage, I think the sane choice would be water.
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My experience.
I used to REALLY REALLY REALLY dislike Glocks when I first began shooting.
My reasons were:
1) The triggers were difficult to get used to. Too much staging and very mushy.
2) The grip angle caused the gun to point upwards
3) The finger grooves drove me nuts
4) The fullsize Glocks had fingergrooves that were too far spaced compared to the compacts
5) The subcompact Glocks only have two finger grooves so that my pinky would hang off of the gun
6) The sights sucked
7) It has a polymer frame
8) No external safety (I was used to the 1911)
9) Since I'm a die hard 1911 fan, all those 1911 vs. Glock threads drove me nuts.
10) I like my guns to have some weight to them
11) It felt cheap.
12) You can see light from one side of the Glock through the other side.
Needless to say I was pretty biased against the Glock pistol. But reviews after reviews I was becoming oddly interested in the pistol. So I took a look at a compact Glock one day and even rented a Glock 23 to try it out at the range. I remember distinctly renting a G17 long time ago and I absolutely hated it. But that was because we also had a Sig Sauer P226 and to me and my friends the Sig felt significantly better. Anyways, back to shooting the G23, it felt good, and I wanted to fill a .40S&W niche.
I ended up buying a G23 to try out. I've gotten used to the pistol. The compacts G19/23/32 frame feels good to me. It fits my hand well, but I cant overcome the pistol pointing upwards to what feels good to me. It just doesn't point naturally. I tried to install a 3.5# connector by Schere and it doesn't really help the trigger any. It still sucks. I tried the $0.25 trigger job. I guess its just practice practice practice, but I dunno... While I'm fond of the Glock 23 (Easy to use, disassemble, lightweight and reliable) im equally not fond of the gun for most of the reasons I've listed above.
But each day I'm still opening up to it. I haven't sold my Glock yet.
I used to REALLY REALLY REALLY dislike Glocks when I first began shooting.
My reasons were:
1) The triggers were difficult to get used to. Too much staging and very mushy.
2) The grip angle caused the gun to point upwards
3) The finger grooves drove me nuts
4) The fullsize Glocks had fingergrooves that were too far spaced compared to the compacts
5) The subcompact Glocks only have two finger grooves so that my pinky would hang off of the gun
6) The sights sucked
7) It has a polymer frame
8) No external safety (I was used to the 1911)
9) Since I'm a die hard 1911 fan, all those 1911 vs. Glock threads drove me nuts.
10) I like my guns to have some weight to them
11) It felt cheap.
12) You can see light from one side of the Glock through the other side.
Needless to say I was pretty biased against the Glock pistol. But reviews after reviews I was becoming oddly interested in the pistol. So I took a look at a compact Glock one day and even rented a Glock 23 to try it out at the range. I remember distinctly renting a G17 long time ago and I absolutely hated it. But that was because we also had a Sig Sauer P226 and to me and my friends the Sig felt significantly better. Anyways, back to shooting the G23, it felt good, and I wanted to fill a .40S&W niche.
I ended up buying a G23 to try out. I've gotten used to the pistol. The compacts G19/23/32 frame feels good to me. It fits my hand well, but I cant overcome the pistol pointing upwards to what feels good to me. It just doesn't point naturally. I tried to install a 3.5# connector by Schere and it doesn't really help the trigger any. It still sucks. I tried the $0.25 trigger job. I guess its just practice practice practice, but I dunno... While I'm fond of the Glock 23 (Easy to use, disassemble, lightweight and reliable) im equally not fond of the gun for most of the reasons I've listed above.
But each day I'm still opening up to it. I haven't sold my Glock yet.
Lob wrote:
"I have a CZ75B and a Glock 21, and I know which one I'd grab in an emergency. It ain't the CZ."
The CZ is THE gun I pick up in an emergency. Lob, why don't you just get rid of the CZ or get the trigger work if you don't like it. Your starting to sound like a broken record.
"I have a CZ75B and a Glock 21, and I know which one I'd grab in an emergency. It ain't the CZ."
The CZ is THE gun I pick up in an emergency. Lob, why don't you just get rid of the CZ or get the trigger work if you don't like it. Your starting to sound like a broken record.
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You didn't really answer the question, Ash. Are you going to stack your CZ-75 against my Glock? Let's post some par times and group sizes, eh?
Once again - it's the shooter, not the gun.
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Once again - it's the shooter, not the gun.
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Ash
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It is the shooter, not the gun, and I would gladly do an informal (or formal, for that matter) shoot. Yet, it seems that Glock is the only LOGICAL choice out there. So, you see, Glock lovers are the only ones capable of logical thought, the rest are not. The rest of the shooting community is unintelligent and illogical because they do not shoot Glocks.
Read my above post about that fat rich kid and his bike.
Ash
Read my above post about that fat rich kid and his bike.
Ash
Lobotomy Boy
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I chose to ignore the post about the fat rich kid on the bike because it was a perfect example of how obnoxious the anti-Glock folk can be.
Also, your comment about Glock being the only logical gun further proves the other point I was trying to make--that it's the arguments against Glocks that are illogical. You clearly missed the point when you interpretted that as saying that Glocks were the only logical guns. The ironic thing is that by missing my point you proved my point.
Also, your comment about Glock being the only logical gun further proves the other point I was trying to make--that it's the arguments against Glocks that are illogical. You clearly missed the point when you interpretted that as saying that Glocks were the only logical guns. The ironic thing is that by missing my point you proved my point.
Chris Rhines
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Good Lord, but some people are just desperate to be offended. I gotta ask, Ash, what's with the chip on your shoulder?
Right, enjoy whatever it is that you shoot...
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Right, enjoy whatever it is that you shoot...
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Ash
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Eh, okay. Didn't know I was, er, so, uh, hmmm. You know, your statement made absolutely no sense. You stated "Strike up one more for those who find logic annoying." That implies that the Glock is the only logical choice. Anti-Glockers, in the event your reading ability has passed it by (which it seems to have) have made logical statements as well. You imply that only Glock lovers are logical and make logical arguments, whereas those who would carry something else think otherwise. Frankly, I think you need to get that piece of brain back.
I, for one, have nothing against Glocks. I do not like striker-fired polymer handguns without external safeties. You imply that makes me illogical. So be it. My CZ-75 is apparently a hell of a lot better than yours as mine has exhibited NO problems. If we wish to delve into the insteady world of anecdotes, than my friend, shall we look into Glocks that go boom?
How about you take your perfection and go shoot it and have fun. Why does it bother you that we don't like your toy?
Ash
I, for one, have nothing against Glocks. I do not like striker-fired polymer handguns without external safeties. You imply that makes me illogical. So be it. My CZ-75 is apparently a hell of a lot better than yours as mine has exhibited NO problems. If we wish to delve into the insteady world of anecdotes, than my friend, shall we look into Glocks that go boom?
How about you take your perfection and go shoot it and have fun. Why does it bother you that we don't like your toy?
Ash
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Sorry about that, Warner. For the record, I didn't find any examples of obnoxiousness in your post either. I guess I'm getting a little touchy from all the anti-Glock haranguing and illogical arguments from some others. If I want to listen to crap like that, well, that's why I have a wife.
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