Why Aren't Pump Action Rifles Popular?

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speaking of colt lightings, here,s my colt 32-20. i have killed many varmits with it ,the largest being eastern groundhogs. useing cast 100gr bullets with unique powder. they did make lightings in larger calibures that would be ok for larger game. we all know real men use single shots,so they will not waste ammo. eastbank.
 

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yeah well....at my age im lucky to make it to the stand...and ill stand by my claim...accurate follow up shots are a bit mythical...btw i made my hunting tour of the buffalo river area near your parts ages ago...one of the best places on earth.
 
It seems in my experience only the people who have never shot one claim how inaccurate remington's pump guns are. I bought my 7600 because my dad had one- his only deer rifle, and at the time I wanted a 30-06 for $500 and didn't know about much about Savage. I have never had a problem with accuracy, the rifle outshoots me. I took two does yesterday morning, one in the shoulder and one in the neck. Both hit exactly where I aimed.
When talking pumps, everyone brings up follow up shots. This was not a factor in my decision. Bolt, auto, pump, lever- whatever, by the time I reacquire the sight picture I'm reloaded anyway. Price, accuracy, familiarity, and reliability were all factors for me. I like bolt actions too, but a pump does make a good hunting rifle.
 
Having shot Remington 870s in four gauges in models SB, SC, Grand American, TB and TC for many, many thousands of skeet and trap rounds, I am very comfortable hunting with my 760 in .35 Rem and 7600 in 30-06.

Using 158 cast pistol reduced loads in the .35, I have put hundreds of squirrel and rabbits in the pot. With factory ammo, I have never missed a deer because of the rifle. My father had a 141 in .35 Rem and a 760 in .300 Savage with which he killed everything from ground hogs to moose and caribou in Canada.

With $700 worth of remington pumps in 12 ga and .30-06, a hunter can kill anything in North America for which licenses are issued.
 
Shouldn't it be that you learn marksmanship before hunting? If so, why is everyone so worried about follow up shots? I understand that there are rare circumstances that result in necessary second shots, but how many people are:

A) Taking prone shots in the woods
B) Taking one handed shots in the woods
C) Intentionally taking a poor shot for the sole sake of taking a second shot

If your doing any of those, you probably shouldn't be hunting.


On the flip side, it seems like a 5lb, 16" pump gun in 6.8mm or .300 Blackout that takes AR mags would be one heck of a woods gun.
 
I've never even touched a pump rifle. I saw one once, it sold before I could take a second look.

I think one in 6.8 SPC would be interesting, but $700 + is starting to exceed my budget, and I'd like the have the barrel fairly easy to clean from the breech. I don't buy rifles that need to be cleaned form the muzzle.
 
I've never even touched a pump rifle. I saw one once, it sold before I could take a second look.

I think one in 6.8 SPC would be interesting, but $700 + is starting to exceed my budget, and I'd like the have the barrel fairly easy to clean from the breech. I don't buy rifles that need to be cleaned form the muzzle.
I sort of agree when it comes to the 7600's in '06 and .270; Lotta gun and light weight don't equal much fun.

I also think $700 is too much; try the $500 range maybe? Hmmmm I might be onto something here!
 
Why Aren't Pump Action Rifles Popular?

Because of comments like this:

Horrible triggers, and less than stellar accuracy for one. Also the cost has risen to the point where you can buy an auto for about the same money, or a much more accurate bolt action for less.

I respectfully disagree. Trigger on my 760's are great. Accuracy excellent. Cost, very competitive on the used market, but too high new - because Remington has a near monopoly of them.
 
It seems in my experience only the people who have never shot one claim how inaccurate remington's pump guns are.

Sorry to bust your bubble there SkUnKT but not only have I shot them, I've owned a few. And not a single one of them would I ever own again. I stand by my previous post. Sloppy actions, horrid accuracy (Sorry to those who feel 2moa is acceptable for I absolutely do NOT) and again, they tended to kick like mules. The triggers, to me anyway, were not all that bad on the ones I had but the actions were loose as hell. Sounded like a Mariachi band when you moved with them.

These were all older model Rem Pumps. Made back when Remington had an actual decent reputation for quality. I would HATE to see one produced with today's poor quality control!!!
 
i don,t hunt field mice,so 2 moa is alright for me. truth be told with no lies,2moa will kill all the deer size animals you see to 300yds. if you shoot for center of the chest and not try head or neck shots. i have a few rifles that will shoot sub moa, one a heavy rem vls in .223 that has shot .400 thee shot groups at 300yds, but it weighs 9 lbs with scope and bipod. if you are right handed try shooting a left hand gun off the bench or bipod and see what a difference not moving your trigger hand to operate the bolt makes. you will be on target faster and not have to adjust your trigger finger. if you say back up shots are of no value,you should be useing a single shot,after all it would be lighter and carry better than a heavy old bolt action. eastbank.
 

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I've got an antique Rem pump 22 with steel butt plate and octagonal barrel that has maybe a zillion rounds through it. Never jammed or failed to fire - ever :)

I got a couple of pump scatter guns (Mossbergs). I like them fine. Now that I've seen that evil black mag fed Rem pump, I think I'll go get one. That's real intriguing :evil:
 
Honestly, for all the expense of engineering a manual action handle on the wrong end of the operating rod, what's a few dollars more to let the gas work the action? Pumps are everything except a piston and cylinder.

For all the guys with sharp sticks poking around about "spray and pray," you'll find an equal number of filled magazines and one extra topped off in the chamber. I've NEVER met a hunter in a parking area, or read in a post, that loads one bullet at a time only when the rifle can hold more.

I HAVE heard the bolt, lever, and pump hunters in the woods around me cranking off rounds as fast as they can work the action. Considering they don't even go to the range every month, and when they do, NEVER practice the technique, how accurate can they be? Especially bolt gunners taking their hand off the trigger every time?

It's been my experience that if you do want to take another shot, the semi auto allows the hunter a better and more easily acquired, more accurate second shot. The hands never get moved off the controls - he simply recovers from recoil, resights, and decides. No jacking the action while the jumping deer bounds off into the cover. And does it with a typically restricted mag of 5 to 10 rounds, about the same as those fully loaded and topped off manual actions I hear blazing away every year.

The myth of the ethical Great White Boltgunner only taking one shot must be getting acted out over a cleared lane 50m from a bait pile. :neener: In that regard, why even have a magazine fed rifle? A single shot would do, much less a pump.
 
Honestly, for all the expense of engineering a manual action handle on the wrong end of the operating rod, what's a few dollars more to let the gas work the action? Pumps are everything except a piston and cylinder.

Pump rifles: All the expense and problems of a semi-auto w/o any of the benefits.

BSW
 
I'm not going to read this whole thread to see if somebody already pointed this out, but the reason I won't ever own a pump rifle is because it is very awkward to shoot them in any kind of position in which you are resting your support elbow... so pretty much any position except for standing. I always practice from field positions, and in the field I always take a more stable position than standing if I can.

It is hard/impossible to mount a sling in the proper place, and if you manage to, you cannot shoot a pump while using a shooting sling, and still work the action. I like using a sling and shoot from one whenever I can with my rifles, so I wouldn't want a rifle that is incompatible with those techniques.
 
Consider my bubble busted. I have only shot two, a 760 and a 7600 both in 30-06. Both were- and still are shooters. Wobbly slides and loose feeling actions aren't for everybody, these guns like to be manhandled. For me, however, they work well and I can always count on mine to put the deer on the table.
 
Minute of small paper plate groups. Never shot at a deer over 100 yards, never missed one at less than that with a pump in .35 or .30-06.

I now mount a red dot on the .35 and an ancient K 2.5 Weaver on the 06.

I hear a lot of internet BS barking in this thread.
 
This year's deer arsenal, 7600 30-06, and for where I hunt in shotgun area, a mossberg 500 20ga. These two deer were taken at 50 yards with the rifle while sitting on the ground. The one on the right was shot facing me through the neck, busting the spine, the other was shot through the front of one shoulder blade and out the back of the other. Accurate enough for me.
 

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After re-reading this thread, it seems that the people who love them own pump action rifles, however the people who hate them are giving "I held it in a gunshop" reviews. If I ever get around to building and customizing my own guns, I'll give you guys a discount. :D


What might top some of these is a 16" cut down model. Yea you'll lose some velocity, but its a sub-200 yard gun, and the accuracy will somewhat benefit from the shorter barrel. Throw a red dot or really low power scope on there, and there you have a pretty sweet woods gun. Maybe make some 20 round magazines or something... Hmmmmm...
 
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Hmmm,...let's see....I have a Remington 760 in .308 that has taken a boat load of deer over the years,..since 1977,...the trigger isn't too bad for a production rifle, and once you learn how to carry one and shoot it,..with or without a sling,..the front slide doesn't rattle too badly.

Accuracy: Cold bore rested shot out to 350 yards = minute of deer. Minute of 8 inch plate off hand at 100-150 yards pretty normal if I do my part.

Speed for Accurate follow up: Pretty danged quick. But if I do my part,..there have been but a very few times a second shot has been required.

It is a hunting rifle. It's not a combat firearm. But,..if it were all I had,......I'd suspect I could soon have a different one,.....

Recoil: Not all that bad if you have a proper hold. I have been told the 30/06 is a beast...but I have never tried one to find out.

DO I like mine? Yup. .....And my 7615 in .223/5.56, .....and a Taurus 62 .22 LR pump carbine,..and a bunch of pump shotguns. I am a southpaw,...I find my "trombone guns" especially friendly for a left handed shooter.

As always,...ones own personal mileage may vary. :)
 
After re-reading this thread, it seems that the people who love them own pump action rifles, however the people who hate them are giving "I held it in a gunshop" reviews.

Seeing that a lot too. The Remington pumps in particular are among the most accurate rifles out there. They will shoot right with many bolt guns, and are better than most. Far more accurate then the Remington autos and far more reliable. They do come out of the box with below average triggers, but so do most other guns and that can be corrected.

Everything being equal the 7600 is about $100 less than the 750.

If you are used to using a pump shotgun then the pump rifle should be a natural.

They are among the most ambidexterious guns. Lefty's can use them easily

I see a lot of useless gack about speed of repeat shots from some clueless folks here.

a bolt can be operated as fast or faster than a pump

Really, I'd like to see that. I've done a bit of work on that. I'm a bolt gun guy. I prefer them and spend a lot of time working on speed drills. I've had myself timed several times with various guns and this is the best I can do for 3 shots.

Semi auto .4 seconds
Pump .6 seconds
lever 1.4 seconds
bolt 1.8 seconds

I don't own a pump rifle at this time. I've had them in the past and would highly recommend the 7600 series if someone is interested. You could do a lot worse. I quite often see folks suggest the Guide Gun in 45-70 a a bear defense gun. A 7600 in 35 Whelen is a much better choice. More reliable, faster followup shots from a better cartridge.

I cannot speak for anyone else, but while I think highly of the 7600 guns, I don't own one simply because they are way too heavy for my needs. You are looking at around 7.5 lbs before optics. That would put you at 8.5-9 lbs all up with scope, mounts, and 5 rounds of ammo. I can get my bolt guns in the same calibers from 6 lbs to absolutely no more than 8 lbs all up and ready to go hunting. Most of my rifles weigh less with optics, mounts and ammo than the pumps weigh with irons and no ammo.

But don't sell them short on performance!
 
I cannot speak for anyone else, but while I think highly of the 7600 guns, I don't own one simply because they are way too heavy for my needs. You are looking at around 7.5 lbs before optics. That would put you at 8.5-9 lbs all up with scope, mounts, and 5 rounds of ammo. I can get my bolt guns in the same calibers from 6 lbs to absolutely no more than 8 lbs all up and ready to go hunting. Most of my rifles weigh less with optics, mounts and ammo than the pumps weigh with irons and no ammo.


Not to be obnoxious here, but where the heck are you getting 7.5 lbs starts? I have held a few of them, one being a 22" .30-06 with a scope that was way to big for the gun, and it only weighed at the absolute most 8lbs. That was including this enormous honking scope and being extremely generous. I also got to play around with a stock 7615 with it's 10 round magazine, and that little guy couldn't have been more than 5lbs!

For comparison, my sporterized 1903 with a Nicon 2-7 weighs around 8.5 lbs. I know when I picked up that 7600 with that giganto scope, it was still significantly less than my '03.
 
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