Vern Humphrey
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To say that, you need documentation.it was designed to be carried safely with the hammer down on a loaded chamber, too.
It's kinda like a flat tire. Tires can go flat, but they weren't designed to work that way.
To say that, you need documentation.it was designed to be carried safely with the hammer down on a loaded chamber, too.
To say that, you need documentation.
It won't go off. The hammer has to be back so the firing pin spring can push the firing pin back, allowing it to protrude from the rear of the firing pin channel. From there, the hammer falls on the protruding firing pin sending it forward, via inertia, into the primer. The firing pin is shorter than the firing pin channel, so the only way to get primer contact is via inertia as mentioned above.I'd like to hear of somebody taking a 1911, putting a primed, EMPTY case in it, lowering the hammer (to replicate Cond. 2), and then start whacking the gun's hammer with a small ballpeen hammer to see how hard it really is to set off the primer.
And the Series 80 Colts (and imitators) have a firing pin block that "helps" get it into Condition 2 with slightly more safety...
(My emphasis)it was designed to be carried safely with the hammer down on a loaded chamber, too.
It is true the M1911 has an inertia-type firing pin. But that's a long way from proving that the reason for that is so the pistol can be carried hammer-down.Don't need documentation, Vern. The firing pin can't reach a primer with the hammer resting against it. That's kinda self-explanatory.
Won't help a bit. The Series 80 safety disengages when you pull the trigger.
It is true the M1911 has an inertia-type firing pin. But that's a long way from proving that the reason for that is so the pistol can be carried hammer-down. To find the reason for a design feature, you need documentation, showing that was the intent.
then let go of the trigger.
Browning desined it to be carried Cocked and Locked!
When we say "intent" we are saying we can read minds -- or else we have documentation.I said that the intent was to offer a choice...and I always have.
It was an Army pistol, designed to Army specifications (and redesigned before being accepted by the Army) and the Army definitely had intentions as to how the gun was to be carried, and those intentions were published in official documents.There was no intent for the gun to be carried any certain way. The intent was to allow any carry that the user chose or deemed necessary or desireable...
Now let me point out that the design includes a lanyard loop
My point, exactly. The fact that the car can run faster that a hundred miles an hour does not mean the designer intended me to drive a hundred miles an hour, nor that he considered it safe to drive that fast.Let me point out that your car was designed to run faster than a hundred miles per hour. Does that mean that you should drive a hundred miles per hour all the time?
It was an Army pistol, designed to Army specifications (and redesigned before being accepted by the Army) and the Army definitely had intentions as to how the gun was to be carried, and those intentions were published in official documents.
You're absolutely right -- the Army did prefer Condition 3 (loaded magazine, empty chamber.) But they also recognized what today we call Condition 1, cocked-and-locked.And those published documents stated that when action is iminent...the gun CAN
be placed in Condition One if so desired. I've read many of those documents and field manuals too. Nowhere does it say that the gun should be carried in a constant cocked and locked conditon...and if we were caught with one like that without a reason, we got reamed out good and proper...just the same as with a rifle.
And those published documents stated that when action is iminent...the gun CAN be placed in Condition One if so desired. I've read many of those documents and field manuals too. Nowhere does it say that the gun should be carried in a constant cocked and locked conditon...and if we were caught with one like that without a reason, we got reamed out good and proper...just the same as with a rifle.
You could carry the pistol by letting it dangle on a string
For someone armed for the purpose of facing an emergent threat that may materialize in a second and a half within in an unprotected perimeter, Condition 1 would seem more appropriate.
So, to me the question would appear to be, for civilian concealed carry, what is best?
You place your strong-side thumb on the hammer and get control of it before placing your other thumb into the trigger guard.That allows the thumb safety to engage the trigger and block it...
(the 1911) has an inertrial firing pin that's shorter than the breechblock...so it was designed to be carried safely with the hammer down on a loaded chamber, too.
I believe you meant to say GRIP safety, since you cannot retract the slide with the thumb safety engaged. At least, it wasn't designed to retract.....
Often, the designers are able to outwit the idiots ! (Thank God!)