Condition 3 carry solution???

[sb350hp]

Has anyone installed this kit on thier 1911? I am curious as to how effective it is. Cylinder and Slide make this kit and according to the propaganda it states that you can carry your 1911 condition 2 but w/ safety on. When safety is pushed down hammer is cocked simotaneously therefore acting as if it was carried condition 3.

Runs about 180 bucks and is a drop in mod. Don't want to waste my $$ so looking for input

 

[DMK]

Sounds complicated. One of the reasons I like the 1911 is its simplicity.

What's wrong with hammer back, safety on?

 

[1911RjB]

Sounds complicated. One of the reasons I like the 1911 is its simplicity.

What's wrong with hammer back, safety on?

i agree with DMK... it does sound complicated... if anyone tries it let me know

 

[W.E.G.]

Sounds complicated.

+1

More the reason why I went to the "dark side."
The Glock is always just "loaded"... except on the very rare occasion when I'm cleaning it - then its unloaded.

 

[Hunter0924]

I have heard of it but no experience, I really see no need for it.
Man the everpresent "Glock" reference was pretty quick on this thread.
My Colt Government Model is always loaded as well.

 

[sb350hp]

Does not look to complicated. (go to cylinder slide website for details) Not against condition 3 carry but this option, if it works seem really well cool for lack of a better term.

As for the Glock option. I like function and beauty (1911) vs. the ugly yet functional brick called aka Glock. Not knocking the effectiveness of the Austrian wonder just simply stating that it fell out of the ugly tree and bounces off every branch on the way down.

 

[Rexster]

Condition Three is CHAMBER EMPTY. I don't think anyone has invented a device to rack the slide for you. As for the C&S kit, I don't believe it makes the weapon any safer, and adds to the number of moving parts.

 

[ccmdfd]

I've heard about these primarily for Hi Powers.

If you like it, fine, but I fail to see how the gun is any safer. If the safety gets taken off, and the trigger is pulled, the gun will go off. Just like standard cocked and locked.

 

[MAKster]

I agree. This sounds like the SFS (safe fire system) found on some FN Hi-Powers.

 

[gym]

p-13

I carry my p13, chambered with a round in, and hammer down,1 st click if I pull it, the hammer gets pulled back as it comes out, thus eliminating the safty altogether. I never felt comfortable using the gun with the hammer back and the safty on, mainlly because I carry several different guns due to the Heat in south Fl. I know purists aren't going to agree with this. I have smacked the hammer on a live round and it was fine. I leave the hammer in the 1 click, or half cocked position, it still looks like its down ,only moves a hair

 

[ETCss Phil McCrackin]

I carry my p13, chambered with a round in, and hammer down...

With firing pin blocks and all, thats probably safe, but the question is, how does one get a round into the chamber and the hammer onto the half-cock notch without placing ones finger on the trigger? And further, where do you point this loaded weapon while you lower the hammer? I, for one, don't have a clearing barrel in my bedroom.

 

[Slvr Surfr]

I've heard of those kits that allow the hammer down and on safe. It acts just like cocked and locked w/ the appearance of a hammer down position. When you push the safety off it cocks the hammer. This is purely an appearance thing. I believe it was designed for LEOs to carry the 1911 locked and cocked without "freaking" the sheeple out.

Either way this is purely for cosmetic reasons. I don't know if it actually makes the gun any safer than it already is.

 

[sturmgewehr]

FNH did this with one of their Hi Powers. It's a very odd arrangement and when you play with it, it's easy to see how it might get you into trouble in a gun fight.

No thanks, I'll keep my condition one carry as I know it works.

 

[DFW1911]

No thanks, I'll keep my condition one carry as I know it works. - sturmgewehr

Me too.

Thanks,
DFW1911

 

[CWL]

How much force (lbs) is required to work the thumb safety so that the hammer is cocked? Seems like something that can be missed if the safety is heavier than a standard one. Even though C&S is a great company, this adds too many additional parts to an already perfected shooting system.

If you worry about hammer-cocked carry, why not look into Paraordnance's line of double-action pistols (LDA)? You'll still be able to enjoy the M1911 design but be able to get a first-shot off while the hammer is down.

 

[rcmodel]

I leave the hammer in the 1 click, or half cocked position, it still looks like its down ,only moves a hair

Bad form with any 1911.

When the hammer is in the "Intercept notch", there is nothing to prevent a busted sear or bent sear pin if the gun is ever dropped on the hammer.

The intercept notch was designed only to catch the hammer if your thumb slipped off the hammer.

The only two safe ways to carry a 1911 loaded is either:
Hammer all the way down, resting on the slide.
Or, Cocked & Locked.
In either of these positions, nothing is going to get bent or broken from hammer impact.

Regardless of whether it has a firing pin safety or not, gun damage will usually result if you drop one on the hammer with it on half-cock.


rcmodel

 

[avpro]

I have two hi-powers with the SFS safety. Thumbing the safety lever down is not any harder than a normal hi-power. The hammer actually springs back to the rear position. It works very easily.

When you put the safety on you push the hammer forward with your thumb, the hammer moves forward, but not all the way down. There is a little piece of metal that comes up and prevents the hammer from making contact with the firing pin. In this configuration, the gun is very safe: the slide is locked, the hammer is locked (you cannot be thumb the hammer back into firing position), trigger is locked, and of course there is an internal firing pin safety engaged. To fire the gun, you just swipe the safety lever down like you would normally do.

One note - I'm not a gunsmith, so I might be wrong about this, but it doesn't seem like moving the hammer forward with your thumb de-cocks your gun at all. The hammer moves forward very easily, it is not under any spring force to move forward like you would expect when de-cocking a gun.

It's actually a very simple system that works quite well. It's harder to explain it than it is to use it. I like it because once the safety is on, the gun is locked up tight. If you didn't know about the SFS system, you might think the gun was all seized up and broken.

 

[1911Tuner]

An ingenious solution to a non-existent problem.

Sounds complicated. One of the reasons I like the 1911 is its simplicity

Bingo. Or...as the man said:

"The more gadgets it's got, the more "Murphy" it gets."

Murphy crashes enough of my parties without me handin' him an engraved invitation.

 

[tension]

FN Hi-Power

I have an FN Hi-Power .40 with the SFS hammer system. It works great. This have become my favorite handgun. It adds more parts but it seems reliable.
Sometimes one just has to try something new or different.

 

[Mad Magyar]

I've heard about these primarily for Hi Powers.

and are standard features of the Daewoo 9mm & 40mm pistols...However, like Tuner mentioned, if you are a dedicated c-n-l aficionado: not necessary...

 

[gym]

So are you saying that , getting the gun into the "hammer down on live round" or "half cock position, are both, not an option. I have carried that gun like that, and not "worried about it in the past, but for the last several years, It sits in a night table, and in the dark, I feel safer waking out of a deep sleep, not fumbling for the gun with the hammer back. I understand what your concern is, but lowering the hammer on a round is something that one must occasionally do any how isn't it. I wouldn't do it on a daily or weekly basis, but two or three times a year seems safe to me, and I only do this when the house is empty, pointing at the ground. My wife sometimes goes in that drawer, even though she has been told not to, she can't help herself, as wifes do these things, and I keep a big, mag- lite in there also. Maybe I should just not keep one in the chamber, but chambering a round, when coming out of a deep sleep is just as dangerous, am I wrong here.

 

[CajunBass]

I believe Jeff summed it up years ago.

"An ingenious solution to a nonexistant problem."

 

[Mad Magyar]

How much force (lbs) is required to work the thumb safety so that the hammer is cocked? Seems like something that can be missed if the safety is heavier than a standard one

So light it's scary.... My problem with the 1911's & Cond. 1 was perception and certainly not safety...As did many law enforcement agencies, btw...
The SFS and the Daewoo models add something with the hammer down, but with the flick of the safety= SA light pull...Real nice....

 

[jlbraun]

I don't think anyone has invented a device to rack the slide for you.

Behold the Chinese 77B.

 

[1911Tuner]

So are you saying that , getting the gun into the "hammer down on live round" or "half cock position, are both, not an option.

Hammer down on a live round is risky, but still an option. Carrying at half-cock isn't. The half-cock position is not...nor was it ever intended to be...a safety. Ever.