mljdeckard
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It isn't a rip off if he isn't deceiving anyone.
Why do gun owners do this to each other?
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Lone_Gunman
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So why would you guys want to do business with someone like this?
lionking
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Overall Capitalism is a good thing,unless it's insurance.Have a history of cancer and no insurance company wants your money,denied denied denied.Live in Fl and all companies rape you for insurance not trying to beat each other much for business,they would rather not sell at all in cases.
Capitalism is good in most cases but it does have dangers also,it is called profiteering.
Capitalism is good in most cases but it does have dangers also,it is called profiteering.
Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
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But it's NOT a "ripoff". No one is going to pay that, so there can be no ripoff if no sale occurs. Unless someone comes along for whom that gun, for some reason, is worth it TO HIM to pay that much, in which case it's not a ripoff, because it was worth it TO HIM.
So either way, it's not a ripoff. It's BOTH (a) Capitalism, AND (b) impossible for such a transaction to be a "ripoff".
What the HECK is being taught in public schools these days? My lawdy mercy!
Lone_Gunman
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The only person who is probably going to even think about buying it is someone who can't pass a NICS check... so if it sells at all, it will probably be to a prohibited person.
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I'm proud to say that I always price things so as to be a good deal for the buyer and still feel like i'm not cheating myself. weather it be a firearm ,car or a home . I may not get "top dollar" for something,but i get a fair price for it ,which makes me happy and the buyer is also happy because he got a good deal . my wife fusses at me sometimes for being this way, but it s how i like to do business 
AKElroy
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With all due respect, friend, you know nothing of this persons character. He could have a sick child needing an expensive operation for all we know, or he could be a greedy bastard, or he may just be a poor businessman. If he gets it, he may be bloody brilliant. We don't know, no one has to pay his price, and his price ultimately will be settled with market demand. He is likely just speculating on the well publisized early supply issues with the LCP. If he can get it, it would be poor business for him NOT to ask for it. My view? He is 3 months too late for this attempt. In January he may have gotten close. All of this speculation should have nothing to do with judging his character.
Something like this leads me to believe "Lone Gunman" may being viewing this correctly. Many local newspapers do not allow individuals to sell firearms out of the classifieds anymore due to individuals who should not be buying firearms obtaining them through their various publications.
Ed Ames
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And you can't discount the possibility that a SO said "you bought another damned gun? Sell it!" The person offering the gun can then honestly say, "I listed it and nobody is buying - I'll keep trying but who knows if it'll ever sell."
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You might as well say why do PEOPLE do this to each other, and not limit it to gun owners.
I wouldn't pay a Barry Bonds to mow my lawn, but somebody thinks he's worth a ton. Capitalism at work, maybe a stupid market but there you go.
jm
I wouldn't pay a Barry Bonds to mow my lawn, but somebody thinks he's worth a ton. Capitalism at work, maybe a stupid market but there you go.
jm
Lone_Gunman
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I will make assumptions about someone's character based on their actions. I assume, for example, that Charles Manson is probably not a real nice guy because of the whole serial killer thing, but maybe I am wrong.
Obviously, this is no where near that, but still, I would not buy a used gun from this man.
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AKElroy
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Manson's victims had no choice, and last I checked, serial murder is illegal. That's just silly.
Blackbeard
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It's only a cheat if you're misrepresenting the product in some way. There's nothing immoral about asking a high price. No one is forcing you to pay it. A fair price is when the buyer and seller agree on a price and the deal is made. It's nobody else's business.
AKElroy
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I don't, and I woudn't. I just don't think the guy warrants scorn for offering a product. I am sick of the constant "bash the capitalist" crap the world seems consumed with these days. Find your deals, make your purchases, establish the market, and stop impuning motives.
Alchymist
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"there is capitalism and their is taking advantage. I have a problem with the latter....".
Brings to mind the time I traded for my latest truck. Had a 2005 F250, wanted a 2008 F350. Went to the local (huge) dealer, told the salesman what I wanted, and gave him a ballpark monthly payment I needed. After 3 hours, they were still about $300 over my price. Took the paperwork and told them I'd think about it. Next day I called the dealer where I had bought the 2005, told him same story. Next day he called, said he had my truck, and the price worked out to within $80.00 of my price. Did the deal. Got home, compared the paperwork to the first deal. Bottom line, there was over $6000 difference in the two deals, and it was for the SAME truck. (VIN was the same on both sets of paperwork).
Go figure.
Brings to mind the time I traded for my latest truck. Had a 2005 F250, wanted a 2008 F350. Went to the local (huge) dealer, told the salesman what I wanted, and gave him a ballpark monthly payment I needed. After 3 hours, they were still about $300 over my price. Took the paperwork and told them I'd think about it. Next day I called the dealer where I had bought the 2005, told him same story. Next day he called, said he had my truck, and the price worked out to within $80.00 of my price. Did the deal. Got home, compared the paperwork to the first deal. Bottom line, there was over $6000 difference in the two deals, and it was for the SAME truck. (VIN was the same on both sets of paperwork).
Go figure.
pith43
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And yet another cathartic bitch fest begins....
When the market turns, and it alway's does, I'm sure you guys will be first in line to tell sellers they are selling way too low. I'm sure you will offer much more money than they is asking, just because it is the "right" thing to do, and you wouldn't want to take advantage of anyone.
When the market turns, and it alway's does, I'm sure you guys will be first in line to tell sellers they are selling way too low. I'm sure you will offer much more money than they is asking, just because it is the "right" thing to do, and you wouldn't want to take advantage of anyone.
Lone_Gunman
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Actually I have done that very thing. It is not that hard to live by the golden rule
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You keep saying that, but guess what? Whether the "prohibited person" buys a $50 Raven or a $600 LCP, it's still against the law for both parties.
Just curious, how many criminals are likely to pay 2x MSRP? I would guess they would be more likely to buy a stolen POS (see $50 Raven) than an over-priced LCP.
45Badger
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This is getting silly and boring. You are grasping and ASSuming facts that are not in evidence. All we know is that he is asking $600 for a gun he is selling.
EVERYTHING else is just an opinion. Yes, we all agree it's over-priced. SO WHAT? WHO CARES? What is the point of this thread?
Sam1911
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This is bizarre logic. You've taken this guy whom you don't know and moved him from the realm of over optimistic seller to felon.
You know, I'll be if he asked $1000 for it he'd even make the "hit" for the buyer!
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pith43
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LG, then you are a prince among theives. I just have a hard time beieving that 98% of the people who are moaning about prices lately, would not jump on that particular gun if it were listed for $200 instead of $600. They would be posting in the "Best deal you ever had" thread, and be proud of their "buyer savy".
this has little to do with the EXAMPLE given and much more to do with the recurring sequence of events... People continuously rip each other off when they come across someone who is Gullable,just doesnt know enough about the object in question, or is taking advantage of a situation such as a shortage...
only difference is, Hoarders who sell for rediculous prices are likely to get what they deserve when things level out, but when someone gets ripped on ONE item (600 for an LCP) there is no retribution....
honesty, pride, and common courtesy just fly out the window when people get greedy... and that is all that it is... GREED....not capitalism.
Sam1911
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Repeat after me: There is full disclosure. Seller has the item. Buyer wants the item. Buyer is willing to part with some quantity of cash. Buyer gets item. Seller gets cash. All is exactly as advertised.
THIS is NOT ripping someone off!
Ripping someone off would be selling them a known defective item, misidentified item, illegal item, or otherwise misrepresenting the product so that they pay money for something they did not intend to buy.
Again, NOT ripping them off. If the gun is as advertised and the price is negotiated before hand, the buyer CANNOT be ripped off.
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