Why Do You Carry A CZ?

[Ankeny]

Holy cow, looks like there is a lot of brand loyalty around here, lol. I am relatively new to the CZ line so I am not brand loyal.

I bought my CZ 75B specifically for IDPA SSP division and for USPSA Production division. I got the gun based upon ergonomics and recommendations from a pretty decent shooter. Glocks point too high and every time I shoot a SIG or an HK it feels like I am holding a box car and they have too much reciprocating mass to suit me. Beretta 92 pistols just don't cut it for me.

I have owned better pistols but I also paid a lot more. The sights on the 75B aren't the best and the trigger was ok but not great. The gun was incredibly accurate right out of the box. I did some work on the sights with a file to widen the notch and I drifted the sight for windage. I also bent the magazine brake so the mags would drop free and I dumped the main spring in favor of a lighter Wolff spring. Other than that, the pistol is stock. I jumped right into USPSA Production division and did just fine. There are some really good IPSC shooters using a CZ and they do pretty good too. Look at what Angus Hobdell (Grand Master) can do with his CZ 85.

I could go on but I'll just say that the CZ is a decent pistol for the money (but I think retail is way too much) and the potential of the pistol is only limited by the ability of the person pulling the trigger. I am sure there are some lemons out there, but bashing a CZ in the areas of accuracy, reliability and potential to perform, really is a dead end street.

 

[Marcus]

To answer the original question I carry my CZ-75B because it`s absolutely reliable,extremely accurate,has exceptional ergonomics and is very slim (even through the grip area) making it a pleasure to carry. As a bonus it`s fit,finish and trigger are also quite good. Price has nothing whatever to do with it. Marcus

 

[R127]

I'm a big supporter of buying American made products, but why pass up a $350 firearm that shoots like a $600 one? In this case, I'm more concerned with getting a great gun at a great price than country of manufacture. If I saw CZ75's selling for $175, I'd buy every one I could get my hands on!

That's one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is Czech Republic is an ally that was there for us when not many other nations, including many traditional allies, were. Nothing against Germans, I live with one, but fact is Germany wasn't. Why should I buy arms from a country that's twice been an enemy and even in the modern era won't support us when the chips are down? I mean, if you want a nationalistic reason for buying a particular firearm.... sorry if I'm dragging up a dead topic, I ran across this in a random search on something complete different and was distracted by the bikini team!

Anyway, yeah, good guns. I've tweaked mine a lot because I'm a tinkerer... factory rubber grips, 16lbs recoil spring, landyard loop mainspring plug, flat mag break spring, I've got a few other things in mind along the lines of custom sights, finishes, etc... bottom line is, wether it's in stock form or customized, I'll run my 75B against any other 9mm combat handgun out there, and I've shot enough and been around enough guns to know it will do quite well.

I'm not sure any combat handgun is really worth over $450 to me, at least not in stock form, just the same a lot of guns cost all that and more. I think CZ's are priced right where a working pistol should be. They leave you with enough money to stock up on ammo, full capacity magazines and accessories. You can spend a lot of money on a ccw that really doesn't do anything a CZ doesn't, and then you'll be sweating it if you ever have to actually use it for defense and it's seized as evidence. To each his own I guess.

 

[faustulus]

I went looking for a gun to replace my CZ75 SA for IDPA. I finally found one that I think will be as reliable, accurate and fast.
And SVI says it will only be three more months before it is here.

 

[Berg01]

I have had feeding problems with my 75B .40 S&W; it is presently at the local gunsmith for a reliability tune. The gun is accurate, fits my hand & balances well, and has a really good "out of the box" trigger. For the money, they are hard to beat. But I do not expect that it will replace my Sig P228 as my primary carry gun.

 

[Walt Sherrill]

VG, Since you don't seem to like your CZ and it's so bad, I'll give you a $100 to take it off your hands!, BTW Nice Sig.

He won't sell it. Been there, done that.

A year or so VG got on the CZ Forum and started bad-mouthing his CZ. He offered it for sale. There were no takers -- probably because he bad-mouthed it so much, there.

It was a bad time for me, financially, but I offered to buy it -- if he'd take two payments over a month or so, with him holding the gun until it was paid for. He said yes, then backed out -- saying he had a local buyer and that was more convenient for him.

Since he still has the gun, that apparently wasn't the case. Perhaps VG changed his mind -- or maybe the buyer did. But, VG never got back in touch with me when the local deal fell through. The whole exchange left me with bad feelings about VG's candor. The price I offered was around $400, maybe a bit higher -- he was lowering his price at the time, and I don't remember which price we finally agreed upon -- but set a price and I agreed to it, all on the OPEN FORUM -- not in private emails. Then he suddenly found the local buyer. The price I agreed too was more than a new 75B, but not as much as a new 85 Combat. (I had bought one of those a few months before.)

Teddy Jacobsen has a great reputation, but he's also known to not like CZs. VG had Teddy work on his CZ, but he also apparently took Teddy's opinion of CZs to heart. When he tried to sell his CZ, VG seemed surprised that TJ's work didn't make the CZ worth more. I don't know why though, as I've never recovered that sort of expense when I sold a gun -- even when the work was done by Cylinder & Slide (as was the case with one recent trade).

Custom work will help sell a gun, but it won't always add value to the sale price. (How do you know that the work was REALLY done?) On my gun, I called Cylinder & Slide to confirm, before I bought it. (They keep records by serial number...)

I've had 9 different CZs, and still have four, including a custom CZ-75 SA (purchased from PCRCCW, here on the forum). That's the nicest NEW CZ I've ever handled and one of the best triggers around, and a pre-B that has a wonderful DA trigger coupled to a SA trigger that breaks like glass -- just like the 75 SA, just a bit heavier. I like all my CZs.

VG isn't happy with his CZ. VG likes to let us know about it. I think VG's got a gun he's invested a lot in -- financially and emotionally -- and he now enjoys bitching about it more than he likes doing something about it.

He ought to sell that damned gun and get on with his shooting life.

 

[Sean Smith]

It isn't very good salesmanship to say, "Hey, CZs suck! Want to buy mine? I had a guy who said CZ sucks work on it!"

Fact of the matter is that if you have even a fractionally negative attitude about something you are trying to sell, NOBODY will buy it.

For an inexpensive gun that had minor work on to not gain value is no shock to a dispassionate observer. This isn't a slug on Teddy's skill; in fact, years ago I was going to send a revolver to him for some action work, but that never panned out for reasons not related to him. But you have to be realistic.

Guns with considerable work by a reputable maker that are marked by the maker are a slightly different story. But they are still hard to sell if you act like you don't like them.

 

[clipse]

I will agree that if you want to sell something, proclaiming that the item sucks just doen't work well.

I have a CZ P-01 and love the gun dearly. This is the best pistol and funnest to shoot that I have ever shot. (Including a slew of 1911's, BHP's, and revolvers) While it may not be as accurate as some, it is deffinately perfect for my uses. If my wife would like me, I would probably be sleeping cuddled up to this pistol. Of course i don't even dare ask her that.

clipse

 

[jdrobins]

Clipse, LOL
I do keep my P-01 next to me on the Nightstand when we go to bed, and I wear it daily, unless of course I have my PCR on

Jim

 

[clipse]

My P-01 sleeps in the dresser at the foot of the bed. Close enough I suppose. Oh and when Missouri adopts CCW finally I will be carrying this.


clipse

 

[George Hill]

CZ handguns have earned a high level of respect from me, and I am a seriously unrepentant gun-slut. I buy and sell and trade guns like crazy... if I do it any more often, I'll have to ask the ATF for a liscense. (The state of Utah's DMV wanted me to get a dealer lisense back when I was in college the first time because I was a car-slut then)

CZ's are awesome.... Often my first choice. SIGs, Berettas, I like better... but not by much. If I was goign to throw down my VISA for new gun - I'd would be a CZ... A P-01 and then a RAMI....
Then I could go back to looking for Berettas and SIGs...

 

[mbott]

I am a seriously unrepentant gun-slut. I buy and sell and trade guns like crazy...

I'm must only be half a slut: I buy but I just can't sell anymore, especially CZs.

--
Mike

 

[CZSteve]

CZ40B for carry

Why?

Reliable
Accurate
Comfortable
Alloy Frame
Very Nice single action
Decent double action
24/7 Big Dot Express Sights
.40SW 155gr Gold Dots

$275.00 + tax
(another $120.00 for the sights)

Carry my 40B when clothing allows and a Makarov when smaller is more prudent.

 

[ChefJeff1]

cz for me

I rrecently boought a pcr, my first semi-auto after reading almost the entire czforum. I bought it sight unseen because I couldn't find any in the state of ID to check out. I was more than pleasantly surprised and then I shot it. What a blast! I think I'm hooked and can't wait for my HBE holster. I just feels so darn good. Who really cares about the price, think about it. Jeff