Vern Humphrey
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Could be -- although what I'd like to see is hearing muffs and helmet designed as a system
Why doesn't the military use more integrally suppressed rifles?
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W.E.G.
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SBR's, and optics, and suppressors... Oh my!!!
Catapultam habeo
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Silencers/suppressors have a tendency to get really hot, I have seen a steel silencer actually glowing in the dark after a hundred rounds fired through it. And the gun itself gets hot pretty fast as the pressure generated in the can flows around the piston into the box. The smoke literally pours out through every hole and seam in the gun and makes you wanting to wear your gas mask.
Using suppressor with bolt-action sniping rifle can be a good idea or not. If you need to shoot just one shot, silencer is useful. But if you have to shoot multiple shots, the hot air floating around the barrel and suppressor blurs your sight. And even worse; There might be an enemy with thermal sights around. A hot suppressor glows like a flare in the night and you’ll be in a tight spot sooner you know.
Using suppressor with bolt-action sniping rifle can be a good idea or not. If you need to shoot just one shot, silencer is useful. But if you have to shoot multiple shots, the hot air floating around the barrel and suppressor blurs your sight. And even worse; There might be an enemy with thermal sights around. A hot suppressor glows like a flare in the night and you’ll be in a tight spot sooner you know.
tkendrick
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I too would like to see the electronic hearing devices made part of the helmet, but only if they can do it so that they are not only effective, but comfortable.
Try this some time, take your favorite hat, tape a couple of pistol rounds into the sweat band. Wear it for 8 hours. Come back and we'll talk.
Try this some time, take your favorite hat, tape a couple of pistol rounds into the sweat band. Wear it for 8 hours. Come back and we'll talk.
HorseSoldier
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It's getting close to that, just not through officially funded DOD channels. Take a MICH helmet and you can get a pair of Peltors specially cut to fit the helmet's profile and also capable of running your MBITR or other commo through it.
Prior to the introduction of specially made Peltors, some guys were running helmets with the ears cut out to allow the wear of earlier generations of Peltors. Same effect, but reduced ballistic protection.
The catch being that all of the above is mostly only seen in units that have unit funds to spend on discretionary cool gear. But, as has already been mentioned in this thread, what the cool kids play with now eventually filters out.
jerkface11
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Well since Corriea is paying attention to this thread I guess I'll ask a question.
How about suppressing a minigun? All you'd hear is the motor spinning and the bullets hitting the target.
How about suppressing a minigun? All you'd hear is the motor spinning and the bullets hitting the target.
trueblue1776
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...and the suppressor getting white hot and blown off the gun.
jerkface11
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I don't see why a minigun would heat it's suppressors any more than any other machinegun. Not like you'd be using ONE suppressor. Besides even if it did destroy itself it would still be AWESOME.
W.E.G.
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+1 on the gas coming back through the gun.
I got a "Gas-Buster" charging handle for mine. It helps, but it doesn't completely cure the problem - it just delays the effect for a few extra rounds.
Sure makes the gas-piston design more attractive.
I got a "Gas-Buster" charging handle for mine. It helps, but it doesn't completely cure the problem - it just delays the effect for a few extra rounds.
Sure makes the gas-piston design more attractive.
cpttango30
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If you are riding into battle in a HMMWV or a Bradley FV this kind of midigates the point og being quiet does it not? Anyone ever heard a M1A1? They are Loud and have a very odd smell to them.
Plus you have to tear down a supressor and clean it after so many rounds They would be doing that after every battle untill one got clogged up and the solider took it off and threw it at a bad guy.
I never understood why they gave everyone ear plugs when there is no way in the world you are going to be wearing them in combat. I think they would be better off going with something like a walker game ear. A small earplug that lets you hear everything up to a certin db level.
When some ***** is shooting at you your hearing is the last thing you are worried about.
Then there is an old saying if it can't be broken give it to the Army or Marines and they will find a way to break it for you.
It takes years in some cases to get equipment into the field. When I was in the Army the Marines rushed a new Ruk sack into use and then figured out that it did not work at all for the military. It was a civilian hiking pack that was just about to the top of your head. Well when you lay down on the ground the Marines could not shoot because it would not allow there head to be tilted up. all they could do was look at the ground.
Dragonskin Failed just about all the test and trials of NIJ. Just like the new famn dancy "Warfighter" junk the military was and still is working on. it was a laptop computer hanging on your chest with a radio on your back plus batteries plus a 5# camera on your rifle. The typical Army Infantry man carries 150# on his back and now they want to add all this junk to it. The laptop on the chest is the worst idea I have ever seen the first time you get shot at your going to DIVE behind cover crunch there goes your nice $3000 laptop which makes your radio and 5# rifle camera worthless. so not the solider not wanting to be hampered by broken equipment tosses it to the side. Or you are on patrol and your nifty laptop battery goes dead because the office rat in the rear forgot to plug the darn thing last night.
KISS Keep It Simple Stupid. When you let Technology clog up the works you get people killed. Why do you think the Browning 50 cal machine gun is still in the military after 80 years. it is simple it works and it works good. there is not another weapon system out there that can best the 80 or 90 year old John Browning design.
The AR had a rocky start untill they got all the bugs worked out. now it is a supurb weapon for battle.
Plus you have to tear down a supressor and clean it after so many rounds They would be doing that after every battle untill one got clogged up and the solider took it off and threw it at a bad guy.
I never understood why they gave everyone ear plugs when there is no way in the world you are going to be wearing them in combat. I think they would be better off going with something like a walker game ear. A small earplug that lets you hear everything up to a certin db level.
When some ***** is shooting at you your hearing is the last thing you are worried about.
Then there is an old saying if it can't be broken give it to the Army or Marines and they will find a way to break it for you.
It takes years in some cases to get equipment into the field. When I was in the Army the Marines rushed a new Ruk sack into use and then figured out that it did not work at all for the military. It was a civilian hiking pack that was just about to the top of your head. Well when you lay down on the ground the Marines could not shoot because it would not allow there head to be tilted up. all they could do was look at the ground.
Dragonskin Failed just about all the test and trials of NIJ. Just like the new famn dancy "Warfighter" junk the military was and still is working on. it was a laptop computer hanging on your chest with a radio on your back plus batteries plus a 5# camera on your rifle. The typical Army Infantry man carries 150# on his back and now they want to add all this junk to it. The laptop on the chest is the worst idea I have ever seen the first time you get shot at your going to DIVE behind cover crunch there goes your nice $3000 laptop which makes your radio and 5# rifle camera worthless. so not the solider not wanting to be hampered by broken equipment tosses it to the side. Or you are on patrol and your nifty laptop battery goes dead because the office rat in the rear forgot to plug the darn thing last night.
KISS Keep It Simple Stupid. When you let Technology clog up the works you get people killed. Why do you think the Browning 50 cal machine gun is still in the military after 80 years. it is simple it works and it works good. there is not another weapon system out there that can best the 80 or 90 year old John Browning design.
The AR had a rocky start untill they got all the bugs worked out. now it is a supurb weapon for battle.
cpttango30
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"How about suppressing a minigun? All you'd hear is the motor spinning and the bullets hitting the target."
Contrary to Predator and Video games the M134D minigun is not a weapon system that you can fire from the hip. You have to mount it on something. Lets say you mount it on a M1A1, the m1 has a defining whine to it. so that kind of hinders the stealth of putting the supressors on the darn thing.
Contrary to Predator and Video games the M134D minigun is not a weapon system that you can fire from the hip. You have to mount it on something. Lets say you mount it on a M1A1, the m1 has a defining whine to it. so that kind of hinders the stealth of putting the supressors on the darn thing.
Vern Humphrey
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Tankers (or tankrhoids as we used to call them) are not noted for their personal hygene.
HorseSoldier
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But, back when I was a 19D, I noticed they always had hot coffee going inside about 60 seconds of their tank coming to a halt.
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