Thomas_81
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If you buy a gun, or any potentially dangerous tool, and don't read the manual, you are probably stupid...but that is a completely different issue.
If you buy a gun, or any potentially dangerous tool, and don't read the manual, you are probably stupid...but that is a completely different issue.
If I am a novice, I read this, then go out and buy a Beretta 92FS... load the magazine, rack the slide, take the safety off, and fire...Im going to be pretty confused when the first shot is not fired in Double Action. I wasn't told that the first shot will be fired in Double Action if I decock the hammer after a round has been chambered, then pull the trigger, only that the first round is fired in Double Action... which wasn't true, in this example.
If you rack the slide of a Beretta 92ES and then tale the safety off, that would imply that the safety was on. In the on position the Beretta would automatically decock the hammer as the slide is released. When you take the safety off to fire, you would be starting from a hammer down position
How is it a different issue? How can an issue be made of saying that colloquial use of a term might be confusing to a novice (but clear once you have experience), but the fact that the operation is explained as clear as day in the manual not be relevant?
Why is it, that when people describe DA/SA...
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they always say that the first shot is double action?
As stated in my other thread, I am a newb when it comes to semi autos, but how is that true?
When you load a magazine, you have to rack the slide and chamber the round for anything to happen when you pull the trigger. When you do that, is the trigger not in single action for the subsequent shot, everytime?
Isnt a DA/SA pistol only in DA if a round is chambered, and then the gun is decocked? Since at least half of the modern semi autos dont have a decocker, or even an external hammer, why is DA/SA universally explained this way? Is it not reasonable to assume that since most people dont carry, and fewer still carry with a round chambered, gun deocked, that most users will almost never pull the trigger in DA?
What am I not getting here?
Sorry Thomas81 I think that you are getting yourself all worked up over nothing.
Look at you original post:
...You then continued to contend that "most shooters" will never shoot the gun in DA which I am sorry to say is an absurd statement.
They finally pointed out and I believe rightfully so that it is a wise thing for any new shooter to educate themselves before buying a gun or using a gun.
Your car analogy simply does not hold up because on forums like this 80% of the time we are assuming a reasonable decent working knowledge of firearms. Most reviews in magazines also assume a working knowledge of firearms. We assume we are speaking to someone with some base knowledge.
I am sorry there was no one to properly explain this to you before you got your pistol but I have to ask why are you taking that out on us?
This again.
The problem is, that people are reading one sentence, taking it completely out of context, and ignoring what my only real point has been this whole time.
Exactly. So it stands to reason, that all basic/common/simple rules and functions, should be explained with those types of people in mind. They don't seem to be, which is my point.
DA/SA - Double Action / Single Action. These pistols fire the first round Double Action, and all following shots are fired single action. They generally use a decocking lever to safely lower the hammer, but block contact with the firing pin so the chambered round is not fired.
Caution Decockers can fail, so always point the pistol in a safe direction when decocking. Decocker failures are rare in modern firearms, but do occasionally happen. Some older designs are more prone to failure. If you have any doubt that a decocker is not working properly have the firearm checked by a competent gunsmith or armorer.
To describe a DA/SA as "the first shot is fired in Double Action", is not even a good way to explain it to advanced gun owners, but it's certainly not a good way to explain it to anyone looking to buy their first semi-auto pistol.
They are not only assuming that the reader/viewer is experienced with these weapons, but they additionally assume that the reader/viewer will carry the weapon on a regular basis (most don't), which is when that function is "most" relevant. The bottom line being, the first shot isn't always fired in Double Action, and that may or may not be important to you at all, depending on how you intend to use the firearm. In any event, some clarity might be beneficial to those for whom the content should be intended for.
That's all I'm saying.
Well, not to be rude, but if you had one and could tear it down you would see how silly this whole conversation is.I don't personally own a semi-auto
So you come across as someone making definitive statements yet your completely wrong.
Are you suggesting that every review and comment should be dumbed down to the lowest possible level...
Professional reviews are also geared towards knowledgeable people.
Sorry but again you are showing your ignorance. It is a perfect way to describe the function of a DA/SA gun. It does not matter if you are at the range or setting up for carry.
Again I think you have a burr in your side because someone did not explain this to you earlier. I am not sure why you feel the need to ask for further clarification. Do you now understand not a DA/SA gun works?
If I had replaced words like "most" with "a lot of", or "will" to "have to", I doubt you would even be participating in this discussion.
DA/SA - Double Action / Single Action. These pistols fire the first round Double Action, and all following shots are fired single action. They generally use a decocking lever to safely lower the hammer, but block contact with the firing pin so the chambered round is not fired.
Caution Decockers can fail, so always point the pistol in a safe direction when decocking. Decocker failures are rare in modern firearms, but do occasionally happen. Some older designs are more prone to failure. If you have any doubt that a decocker is not working properly have the firearm checked by a competent gunsmith or armorer.
There are too many variations on the basic mechanisms of handguns to be specific in every instance.
If you do not like how be have described DA/SA guns to you now that your understand it please demonstrate how you would describe it so we make sure this type of misunderstanding never happens again. The members of THR are not here to mislead, miss-inform, confuse or discourage new shooters. So please help us out.