Vern Humphrey
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I didn't know there was a stigma over cocked and locked. In fact, if you own a Ruger or Browning .22, you carry it cocked and locked -- the hammer is internal and you can't see it.
why is there a stigma over 'cocked and locked ' and not 'decocked'???
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9teenEleven
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There are only two pistols that I can think of off the top of my head that give you the best of both worlds: The USP/ USP compact and the FNP/FNX guns. You get the manual safety and the decocker. I carry my USPc cocked and locked, but I like the option of the decocker, too. I know two officers who have ended up in the hospital from "glock butt." If it can happen that frequently when people holster them OWB, then I am not going to pretend like I wouldn't be capable of it IWB. When I carried a G26, I carried w/o one in the chamber which is dumb.
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CZ 75B allows for both DA/SA and cocked and locked carry. It does not have decocker.
These threads are great theatre. They really are nothing more than a statment of preference. Condition 1 Cocked & locked (Manual safety required), Condition 2 for DA/SA or even Condition 3 are all viable and safe.
It is a matter of training, perference and muscle memory. The #1 safety is the gray matter between your ears. If you use that properly any of the above carry conditions will work. There is no need to be fearful of any of them.
These threads are great theatre. They really are nothing more than a statment of preference. Condition 1 Cocked & locked (Manual safety required), Condition 2 for DA/SA or even Condition 3 are all viable and safe.
It is a matter of training, perference and muscle memory. The #1 safety is the gray matter between your ears. If you use that properly any of the above carry conditions will work. There is no need to be fearful of any of them.
Vern Humphrey
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The most common cause of "Glock butt" is getting a fold of clothing shoved into the holster with the gun -- easy to do when your attention is focussed on something else (like controlling a suspect) when you holster your gun.
Bonesinium
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTalnzcO0xk
Some people carry with safeties engaged. Some people carry with the safety off. Some people carry a firearm with no external safety whatsoever. But all the safeties in the world don't make a gun any safer then one without if you don't have any gun safety yourself.
Some people carry with safeties engaged. Some people carry with the safety off. Some people carry a firearm with no external safety whatsoever. But all the safeties in the world don't make a gun any safer then one without if you don't have any gun safety yourself.
Is there a source for that?
If so what is it based on? I'd imagine office reports of the incident. I wonder how many might choose to attribute the accident to something other than having placed and having kept their finger inside the trigger guard. There could be substantial motivations to attribute the cause to something apart from their own negligence.
I doubt there are truly reliable stats.
Vern Humphrey
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Yep. There were several cases of "Glock butt" before someone actually saw it happen. Originally, it was theorized that the victim had his finger in the triggerguard while holstering, but experiments showed this was unlikely.
The first observed case was a female officer wearing loose sweats on the range. When they went to her aid, a fold of her baggy shirt was inside the holster, showing clearly what had happened.
The first observed case was a female officer wearing loose sweats on the range. When they went to her aid, a fold of her baggy shirt was inside the holster, showing clearly what had happened.
I'd sure like to read about this. It sounds very implausible for a piece of sweatshirt to get all the way through the triggerguard on accident. I could swear these "accidents" happen because someone wants to go on disability. But it's not like public servants won't always find a way to tap the trough, truth or facts or plausibility be damned. Irregardless of my skepticism, I'm always careful to observe muzzle control even while holstering.
It's also curious to hear that term. I thought the term was "Glock leg." I wonder if obesity is contributing to the new epidemic of Glock butt?
Or maybe people have figured out that Glock butt is a less dangerous way to secure an early pension.
OP: Simple. It's because of history. There was a time when a cocked gun was an accident waiting to happen. Now there are passive, trigger or grip activated safeties on most modern handguns.
It's also curious to hear that term. I thought the term was "Glock leg." I wonder if obesity is contributing to the new epidemic of Glock butt?
Or maybe people have figured out that Glock butt is a less dangerous way to secure an early pension. OP: Simple. It's because of history. There was a time when a cocked gun was an accident waiting to happen. Now there are passive, trigger or grip activated safeties on most modern handguns.
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Doc1911
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I saw 'Glock leg' one time when I was a Homicide Detective. Also wasn't it Plaxico Burress, NY Giants wide receiver, that received GL in 2008? (not sure of the details ...). I think if you do a search for "Glock Leg" some articles will show up.
This is not Glock Leg, but is Glock Funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-Qdx6vky0
(btw I own some Glocks, but it is funny....)
This is not Glock Leg, but is Glock Funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am-Qdx6vky0
(btw I own some Glocks, but it is funny....)
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