I think anyone who wants to watch videos of the R9 and pass judgement on its capabilities should also see someone who has a little experience with the firearm shooting it:
http://www.thingameez.com/vid-download/r9-karl-demo.wmv
Why not Rohrbaugh?
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I think anyone who wants to watch videos of the R9 and pass judgement on its capabilities should also see someone who has a little experience with the firearm shooting it:
http://www.thingameez.com/vid-download/r9-karl-demo.wmv
I have to admit it does look better in that video, Why is that video not available at YouTube?
lobo9er
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even the 2nd video in the comments the owner of the pistol stands up for it and says good things
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I'll throw in my two bits here. Friday I received my first Rohrbaugh, the .380 Stealth. I haven't had occasion to shoot it yet, but the first thing I thought when I took it out of the box was, "I shoulda got the nine!" :banghead:
Seriously, this is one finely made firearm, maybe the best built pistol I've personally handled. The fit and finish, the quality of the materials the smoothness of the action, the trigger pull are all first rate. I think it is even better than the two Seecamps I own, and that is saying something.
The Glock is a fine firearm, I love and own them, but they are not in the same class of build quality as the Rohrbaugh. That's not a knock, it's just a fact. Two different guns with different functions.
One knock I have on the Rohrbaugh is that it's difficult to actuate the heel-mounted mag release. It's very tight and smooth and I can't move it without pushing up on the magazine at the same time. The Seecamps have serrations on the release, and it actuates easily.
This is a big & heavy pistol by current .380 standards (my Kahr P380 is flat, light and compact by comparison), and this platform is obviously designed around and best suited for the 9mm cartridge, but I am very impressed and happy with the purchase. I have already started to put out feelers for an R9. This one will have sights if I can get it with them.
It's a "boutique" firearm and clearly not for everyone. Is it too expensive for what you get? Maybe for some. But a lot of us are willing to spend the money to buy products we deem to be of extraordinary quality. To each his own.
I'll post back after taking it to the range.
Seriously, this is one finely made firearm, maybe the best built pistol I've personally handled. The fit and finish, the quality of the materials the smoothness of the action, the trigger pull are all first rate. I think it is even better than the two Seecamps I own, and that is saying something.
The Glock is a fine firearm, I love and own them, but they are not in the same class of build quality as the Rohrbaugh. That's not a knock, it's just a fact. Two different guns with different functions.
One knock I have on the Rohrbaugh is that it's difficult to actuate the heel-mounted mag release. It's very tight and smooth and I can't move it without pushing up on the magazine at the same time. The Seecamps have serrations on the release, and it actuates easily.
This is a big & heavy pistol by current .380 standards (my Kahr P380 is flat, light and compact by comparison), and this platform is obviously designed around and best suited for the 9mm cartridge, but I am very impressed and happy with the purchase. I have already started to put out feelers for an R9. This one will have sights if I can get it with them.
It's a "boutique" firearm and clearly not for everyone. Is it too expensive for what you get? Maybe for some. But a lot of us are willing to spend the money to buy products we deem to be of extraordinary quality. To each his own.
I'll post back after taking it to the range.
I'm not sure. The shooter in the video is of course Karl Rohrbaugh - the R9 was his "brainchild" and I think the video was done around the time the pistol was first introduced - and YouTube wasn't quite the rage then that it is now. I found it on a site that has collected and documented a lot of information about the R9.
Of course! Owners always standup for their choices.
By the way I have one more possible reason for "why not" and it's Boberg XR9.
I would not purchase the Boberg until it has more of a track record, but in the Rohrbaugh/Boberg price category the Boberg is looking pretty promising.
Here is a limp wrist test video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS--E0YxAn4
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JohnBT
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"Someone that's younger and stronger may have no problem with it."
Yeah, the R9 kicks some, especially after it wears you down during the first 50 or 75 rounds, but I'm 6' and 199#. I'll be 61 later this year.
I shot it 101 times, once. That was enough.
Yeah, the R9 kicks some, especially after it wears you down during the first 50 or 75 rounds, but I'm 6' and 199#. I'll be 61 later this year.
I shot it 101 times, once. That was enough.
I'll be anxious to hear your comments. The 380 is basically the same pistol as the R9 but chambered for the 380; what is a very small 9mm is larger by "380 standards".
The magazine release is intentionally difficult - to prevent an unintentional release which would cause a stoppage - or turn what should be a 6+1 firearm into a single shot firearm at the worst possible moment. While you can imagine all sorts of "what if" scenarios all day long, the Rohrbaugh was never intended for speed reloads, the logic being that most SD situations are resolved without ever firing a shot, and those where shots are fired are usually resolved with less than 7. The heel release was felt to be more reliable and it allows for a slimmer cleaner profile.
They do get easier with time - I suppose one develops a technique for it. I've sort of developed a technique of "pinching" the heel between my thumb and forefinger that allows me to release a full magazine with no problems.
You're my hero!
Not always. There's a couple of highly regarded brands that I own but that you wouldn't hear me stand up for.
lobo9er
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boberg xr9 do those really even exist. unless things have changed those aren't available to N E 1.
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Agreed!
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Are the dimensions of the Boberg even close to the Rohrbaugh? From what I have seen, it would appear to be closer to the size of a Kahr.
Yes it is a little larger than the R9 but it is higher capacity and produces more velocity as well.
From boberg website
Caliber: 9mm/9mm+P
Length: 5.1”
Height: 4.2”
Width: 0.95”
Capacity: 7+1
Compared to similar size 9mm in same size
Boberg XR9-S Advantage
32% Increase in Muzzle Energy
15% Increase in Bullet Velocity
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JohnBT
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Key words, "...is going to have..."
Or maybe it will never go into production after all these years. Who knows. The R9 has been on the market since 2004.
Or maybe it will never go into production after all these years. Who knows. The R9 has been on the market since 2004.
lobo9er
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you cant compare a gun that doesnt exist to the r9 and say its a better option. the boberg only exists for the few people we have seen shoot it on youtube. IF it gets released than you can say it may be a better option. I like the shotgun from the video game Halo but I cant say its a better option than a saiga or a benelli.
If you read my post you should have noticed that I said "I have one more possible reason."
JohnBT
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"slightly more than 1/8" wider for the XR9-S"
It doesn't sound like much until you do the math. The Boberg is 16.99% wider than an R9.
.95" - .812" = .138"
.138" divided by .812" = 0.16995073891625615763546798029557
Let's round that .16995 off and call it 17% wider. That appears to be the price you pay for a slide that will handle +P ammo.
It doesn't sound like much until you do the math. The Boberg is 16.99% wider than an R9.
.95" - .812" = .138"
.138" divided by .812" = 0.16995073891625615763546798029557
Let's round that .16995 off and call it 17% wider. That appears to be the price you pay for a slide that will handle +P ammo.
It's both wider and also slimmer than the Kahr PM9; those charts have to be read correctly. As an example, the PM9 is listed at .900" but that's the width of the slide. The pistol is wider than .900" if you include what the slide stop adds - it's closer to 1.10". I see the same thing with my Kahr P380 - it shows as .750" on an los chart - and indeed mine measures .750" at the slide - but it measures .935" at the slide stop. So - wider slide but slimmer overall when compared to the PM9.
The slide of the XR9-S is definitely wider than the R9 as the chart shows - .950" versus .812". But the slide isn't the widest part of an R9 - it's wider through the grips than it is at the slide; mine measures .942" - close to the XR9-S slide width. Of course things like a protruding slide stop (as with the Kahr pistols) or a wide slide (as with the XR9-S and most Glocks) can affect how easy a gun is to conceal, pocket carry and more importantly draw and present. The XR9-S doesn't appear to have anything that protrudes - the takedown and a safety are combined but recessed so as specifically not protrude. Hopefully the safety isn't needed for safe carry and is only there for state compliance in states where a safety is required - it looks like it would be a battery of arms to be mastered that's unique to the XR9-S.
It's hard for any of us to say what the XR9-S is going to be like - it's still a non-gun (IMHO) and will remain so until there are production examples in consumer's hands that can be tested and evaluated. It's a bold design with some apparent advantages as long as the advantages translate into real world benefits.
lobo9er
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as of yet its not even a possibilty. If you can't order one because they aren't for sale its not a possibilty to compare as an option to a product that is available to the public. Some day the Boberg may become a possibilty but until they are accepting orders and making shipments its just internet folklore.
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