If it were just a blueprint I might agree, but since there are working Bobergs and from the videos I have seen I'm very impressed.
Why not Rohrbaugh?
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lobo9er
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they have had videos for awhile. Also the company put the vids' out. Do you think Mr. Boberg is gonna put video's on youtube of his firearm causing discomfort from recoil, having jamming issues, or how the fit and finish isn't the best thing they have seen? If it was role reversal you'd be saying the same about the r9. I agree the Boberg looks cool in the promo videosbut they aren't available to the public or to anyone that I am aware of. So the R9 wins by default because the boberg hasn't even entered the race.
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Everyone is entitled to an opinion but with the prospect of a pistol with the atributes of the Boberg looming I am going to be patient and wait awhile before I drop over $1000 + for a pocket 9 and then find out there was a better one coming.
If the Boberg does indeed become available and does even just come close to what it looks like in the videos I would be kicking myself if I had spent $1200 for a Rohrbaugh. And that's my opinion.
lobo9er
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thats a good point.
But if I were in the market for a pocket 9mm I wouldn't wait on buying something because i'm holding my breath for the boberg. I just have my doubts that they will make it to market and then live up to the hype. But I agree thats for all of us to decide on our own.
Not that this would sway you but if you bought a R9 its a good guess you will be able to sell it and probably for pretty close to what you paid for it. Now if you wait out for a boberg theres a chance you won't be able to give it away if it doesnt meet your expectations. safer money on the r9, my opinion.
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But if I were in the market for a pocket 9mm I wouldn't wait on buying something because i'm holding my breath for the boberg. I just have my doubts that they will make it to market and then live up to the hype. But I agree thats for all of us to decide on our own.
Not that this would sway you but if you bought a R9 its a good guess you will be able to sell it and probably for pretty close to what you paid for it. Now if you wait out for a boberg theres a chance you won't be able to give it away if it doesnt meet your expectations. safer money on the r9, my opinion.
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if it came close to the videos it would be the R9
The reason I have not purchased a Rohrbaugh is I don't like what I see in the many videos of people shooting the R9. To me the recoil looks uncomfortable at best and since I have a PM9 that is a pleasure to shoot and that I can shoot hundreds of rounds through it during range practice sessions I see no reason to opt for the R9 which clearly is not a gun for extended practice sessions (a big negative) and even though I have not shot one I'm convinced the R9's recoil would also be a negative for me. The R9's negatives may possibly be true of the Boberg. We'll have to wait and see.
Even though I have a PM9 I opt to carry my P238 most of the time because of it's smaller dimensions and really outstanding shooting characteristics.
JohnBT
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"but since there are working Bobergs "
That's very limited data. They might not even be pre-production guns from an assembly line, but bench-built custom guns being used to tweak the design and fix the bugs.
There were working Kimber Solos before they were released for public sale and we are now seeing the problems they're having with the production guns.
Time will tell.
Rohrbaughs...since 2004.
That's very limited data. They might not even be pre-production guns from an assembly line, but bench-built custom guns being used to tweak the design and fix the bugs.
There were working Kimber Solos before they were released for public sale and we are now seeing the problems they're having with the production guns.
Time will tell.
Rohrbaughs...since 2004.
JohnBT
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"even though I have not shot one"
But you saw one on the internet? Is that what you're saying? Okay.
But you saw one on the internet? Is that what you're saying? Okay.
lobo9er
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the xr9 (if it was a real gun ) would probably have equal recoil as the r9 i would think. given that they are of equal size for the most part. Also the video of the boberg looks like it does bark for a little gun also like the R9. Whats Boberg track record for gun manufacturing? do they have as good reputation at Rohrbaugh?
) would probably have equal recoil as the r9 i would think. given that they are of equal size for the most part. Also the video of the boberg looks like it does bark for a little gun also like the R9. Whats Boberg track record for gun manufacturing? do they have as good reputation at Rohrbaugh?Come you guys what's with all the negativity! I just said it was a possibility not probability!
I suppose there a lot of people that said the same thing about the Kahr when it first came about.
Anyway more than likely neither the R9 or the Boberg will fit my needs better than the P238 does.
I suppose there a lot of people that said the same thing about the Kahr when it first came about.
Anyway more than likely neither the R9 or the Boberg will fit my needs better than the P238 does.
JohnBT
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CrankyOldGuy
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The Rohrbaugh R9 is the best of the best of currently available pocket 9mm's when you want quality with low weight and bulk. I love my PM9, but it's too big, heavy, and blocky for MY pocket. And although the Kahrs are very well made guns (I own 3) the Rohrbaughs' fit and finish are extraordinary.
My R9 has gone through 290 rounds and counting of mixed ammo 115gr - 147gr with no failures. Note there are no restrictions on shooting light bullet weights as in the Kimber Solo, you can practice with cheap ammo with the R9. However the R9 is not rated for +P ammunition.
The sights are far better than the LCP or P3AT (I also own these) but not as good as the Kahrs'. The lack of night sights or white dot options on the R9 is probably it's biggest short fall. Many R9 owners have the sights milled for colored dots.
The recoil is stout but double taps aren't slow, and my 80lb, 12 year old can shoot it just fine, so if it's blowing your arm up 40 degrees you need to do some push ups because this pint-sized little guy is showing you up.
I prefer shooting the PM9, my oldest son (27) prefers the R9 and my little boy (12) doesn't care as long as he gets to shoot with Dad.
For carry, I switched to the R9 from an LCP but still carry the PM9 with tritium sights when I can afford the extra bulk and weight and even a tritium sighted Kahr PM45 in the winter, my wife carries a P9 Covert with night sights year-round in her purse, and my son carries a P3AT in a front pocket holster. (I call him "Ghetto" but he really shoots it well, so I agree with his choice. Shot placement is still king.)
The Kahrs with night sights aren't cheap, nor is the Rohrbaugh, but you get what you pay for. There is no price too high for the safety of my family, so we carry what we want and price is a secondary concern.
Like many other in this thread, I've also been following the Boberg. Whether or not you want a Boberg XR9-S comes down to one question; "Is the extra weight and height over a PM9 worth the longer barrel?" It's a one trick pony. It has a longer barrel with a slightly shorter slide than a Solo or PM9, but it's heavier and taller. The Rohrbaugh R9 is 1/2" smaller in height than the published spec's of the Boberg Shorty and a loaded R9 weighs the same as the unloaded XR9-S. For some of us, size and weight determines if we can carry or not. I hope the Boberg does well, I'd like to see another American manufacturer of quality pocket pistols.
Whatever your choice for self defense, practice, practice, practice, then practice some more. Carry what you shoot and shoot what you carry, a lot...and I hope you never need the skills you've learned.
My R9 has gone through 290 rounds and counting of mixed ammo 115gr - 147gr with no failures. Note there are no restrictions on shooting light bullet weights as in the Kimber Solo, you can practice with cheap ammo with the R9. However the R9 is not rated for +P ammunition.
The sights are far better than the LCP or P3AT (I also own these) but not as good as the Kahrs'. The lack of night sights or white dot options on the R9 is probably it's biggest short fall. Many R9 owners have the sights milled for colored dots.
The recoil is stout but double taps aren't slow, and my 80lb, 12 year old can shoot it just fine, so if it's blowing your arm up 40 degrees you need to do some push ups because this pint-sized little guy is showing you up.
I prefer shooting the PM9, my oldest son (27) prefers the R9 and my little boy (12) doesn't care as long as he gets to shoot with Dad.
For carry, I switched to the R9 from an LCP but still carry the PM9 with tritium sights when I can afford the extra bulk and weight and even a tritium sighted Kahr PM45 in the winter, my wife carries a P9 Covert with night sights year-round in her purse, and my son carries a P3AT in a front pocket holster. (I call him "Ghetto" but he really shoots it well, so I agree with his choice. Shot placement is still king.)
The Kahrs with night sights aren't cheap, nor is the Rohrbaugh, but you get what you pay for. There is no price too high for the safety of my family, so we carry what we want and price is a secondary concern.
Like many other in this thread, I've also been following the Boberg. Whether or not you want a Boberg XR9-S comes down to one question; "Is the extra weight and height over a PM9 worth the longer barrel?" It's a one trick pony. It has a longer barrel with a slightly shorter slide than a Solo or PM9, but it's heavier and taller. The Rohrbaugh R9 is 1/2" smaller in height than the published spec's of the Boberg Shorty and a loaded R9 weighs the same as the unloaded XR9-S. For some of us, size and weight determines if we can carry or not. I hope the Boberg does well, I'd like to see another American manufacturer of quality pocket pistols.
Whatever your choice for self defense, practice, practice, practice, then practice some more. Carry what you shoot and shoot what you carry, a lot...and I hope you never need the skills you've learned.
ABBOBERG
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So much for that theory - we just sold 5 to one person - he could be a scalper!
StrikeFire83
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^ Arnie, I've been following your R&D (and now release) since you first posted here about it (in 2008) I think and I'm on your list.
My Question: Why are you selling so many guns to one person when there are scores of people on the waiting list?
Seems like it would make a lot more sense to sell one per person so you can get a wide range of distribution/reactions while your manufacturing capacity is still low.
My Question: Why are you selling so many guns to one person when there are scores of people on the waiting list?
Seems like it would make a lot more sense to sell one per person so you can get a wide range of distribution/reactions while your manufacturing capacity is still low.
ABBOBERG
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We had not capped the quantity per person since we did not expect anyone would buy that many. Our only policy was that if you buy more than one, you would get consecutive serial numbers. When we saw orders come in for 3 and 4 guns, we weren't concerned because out of 300 notifications to purchase, only 30 would be sold - we are getting a 10% return. We were expecting a much higher return and as such have not been declining orders for multiples. At the rate we are going, the current waiting list will be gone in about 2 months. However, the list is still active and it is growing at 10 times the rate that it had in the last two years.
IMTHDUKE
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Arnie, I have a Robrbaugh, love it, but want a Boberg.
Would you please move my name up toward the top of the list? Do it for your country, or for your wife, or my wife, or your grand children. I will dance at your next wedding or dealers choice...whatever you want.
Would you please move my name up toward the top of the list? Do it for your country, or for your wife, or my wife, or your grand children. I will dance at your next wedding or dealers choice...whatever you want.
The_Armed_Therapist
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This may have been addressed, I just don't feel like reading it all right now.
My Father-in-Law is currently looking for a pocket pistol and he contacted Rohrbaugh to ask them about the durability of their products. He forwarded the e-mail that he received from them saying that they are not meant to be fired much, but if you use them only for their intended purpose (in a pocket, only in life-or-death), then they should work fine. That did not instill confidence in him OR me. The guy basically admitted that they aren't very durable. So why the $1,200?
Secondly, they are NOT significantly smaller than the Kahr PM9. If the PM9 is too big to fit into your pocket (that surprises me...), then the Rohrbaugh will not be much better. You'd be paying $600 for 1/4 inch less.
My Father-in-Law is currently looking for a pocket pistol and he contacted Rohrbaugh to ask them about the durability of their products. He forwarded the e-mail that he received from them saying that they are not meant to be fired much, but if you use them only for their intended purpose (in a pocket, only in life-or-death), then they should work fine. That did not instill confidence in him OR me. The guy basically admitted that they aren't very durable. So why the $1,200?
Secondly, they are NOT significantly smaller than the Kahr PM9. If the PM9 is too big to fit into your pocket (that surprises me...), then the Rohrbaugh will not be much better. You'd be paying $600 for 1/4 inch less.
IMTHDUKE
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Got a PM9....got a friend with over 1000 rds through his R9. And yes...$600 is a lot of money to some people.
JohnBT
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"The guy basically admitted that they aren't very durable."
I doubt that, I've read what he has said on the Rohrbaugh forum over the years. He certainly does say that it isn't a gun to be shot hundreds of times a week for years and years. Save that treatment for the larger guns. You won't want to anyway because it's a real handful. I shot mine 101 times the first time out and decided to stop. Let's see, I was 56 then and I can still use my hand.
I've been shooting it regularly for 4.5 years and carrying it every single day and it doesn't even look worn. And I bought it used; the tag said it had been fired 200 times.
Rohrbaugh - Since 2004
(And I have yet to hear about the first worn out one)
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I doubt that, I've read what he has said on the Rohrbaugh forum over the years. He certainly does say that it isn't a gun to be shot hundreds of times a week for years and years. Save that treatment for the larger guns. You won't want to anyway because it's a real handful. I shot mine 101 times the first time out and decided to stop. Let's see, I was 56 then and I can still use my hand.
I've been shooting it regularly for 4.5 years and carrying it every single day and it doesn't even look worn. And I bought it used; the tag said it had been fired 200 times.
Rohrbaugh - Since 2004
(And I have yet to hear about the first worn out one)
John
IMTHDUKE
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I'm with John. Read whatever you want on the internet.....I have one and so does John. Mines a shooting machine...just not a range gun.
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