Why the AK's magwell is better than the AR's...

[jon_in_wv]

Mags are stupid. Stripper clips and a fixed mag are where its at. NONE of the disadvantages of the other two systems. No mags to get damaged or lost. You can carry much more ammo without the extra weight of the mags. No fragile mag catch to malfunction. Reloads are equally as fast. Yada Yada. You get my point. There are advantages and disadvantages to BOTH systems. I prefer the AR system but I like the AK platform better for my purposes. I wouldn't see any advantage in replacing the mag setup on the AR with one from the AK or vise versa. Both systems (all three if you include the stripper clips) work fine. Remember, most of the serious wars of this world were (and many still are) fought with bolt action battle rifles. The AK and AR are both GIANT leaps in technology but they are all just fancy lead throwers. Pick your favorite and practice until you are good at it.

 

[Evil Monkey]

Mags are stupid. Stripper clips and a fixed mag are where its at.

No, just no.

No matter how it's designed, a stripper clip system will always be slower and very cumbersome compared to a mag system.

Just look at the SKS, 3 hands are needed to "top off".

And look at this...

Seriously!?!? It would be alot easier to just drop the mag and put in a new one.

There was also the HK36 (not G36) that had a fixed mag with a little door that could be opened and stripper clips put in. It was only a prototype.

 

[Wes Janson]

And look at this...

What's the story on that one? Why is it I have a sneaking fear that California is involved?

 

[jon_in_wv]

Evil Monkey. The stripper clip thing was just to illustrate a point NOT to say it was superior. Secondly, I happen to have TWO hands and I can operate my SKS just fine. Like any weapon system. It takes a little training.

 

[Evil Monkey]

Secondly, I happen to have TWO hands and I can operate my SKS just fine. Like any weapon system. It takes a little training.

"it takes a little training".....what a load of crap. Why bother when something else makes it alot easier? Which is 100% the reason that stripper clip rifles no longer exist as front line weapons.

 

[Coronach]

Dude. Chill. Stop calling ideas you disagree with "loads of crap". If you disagree, explain why you disagree.

Mike

 

[Geronimo45]

Why bother when something else makes it alot easier? Which is 100% the reason that stripper clip rifles no longer exist as front line weapons.

Well... capacity's part of it. A 30rd stripper clip would be absurdly long. You might have three 10rd clips to fill a 30rd mag... which is substantially slower than dropping the mag and inserting a new one. On a 5 or 10rd rifle designed to accept stripper clips, the time difference isn't so great. The AR-15 was clearly not designed for stripper clips - so they made a Rube Goldberg workaround to deal with California laws. The SMLE, on the other hand, takes stripper clips easily. Probably easier than a mag change.

 

[aspade]

Drop a loaded magazine in the mud. Then do the same thing with a loaded stripper clip.

Which one do you think will pick up more dirt for your rifle to choke on?

 

[Evil Monkey]

Dude. Chill. Stop calling ideas you disagree with "loads of crap". If you disagree, explain why you disagree.

Anybody can throw the phrase "it takes a little training" as an easy way out of an argument. But it doesn't work when an item or idea exists or is being implemented to offer an upgrade in efficiency. Since we are talking about rifles, as far as I know, there is no method of stripper clip feeding that is more efficient than expelling a magazine and inserting a new one.

 

[Snipe315]

The AR Magazine System is the best

I'm glad you were upfront in saying you had no combat experience and almost no experience in handling these 2 weapon systems.

Your assumption on which is best shows that.



The AR magazine system is better than the AK one.

The AR magazine system requires NO fine motor skills.
The AR magazine system can be operated with one hand.

And for the record, I have over 2 decades shooting experience including combat (USMC Somalia). I've never had or seen a magazine fail to be inserted or released on an M16 rifle (but some force might have been needed).

The simple fact that inserting and removing a magazine in the AR/M16 system requires movement in ONE direction places it above the AK system. No need to rock a magazine into place; just push and/or pull.

I've used the rocker magazine system on AK's, Mini-14/30, and M14/M1A rifles. It sucks in comparision to the AR magazine system.

 

[Evil Monkey]

I've used the rocker magazine system on AK's, Mini-14/30, and M14/M1A rifles. It sucks in comparision to the AR magazine system.

I definitely agree.

I see so far there has been a tipping number of proprietary rifles designed in the past 10-20 years that have featured a straight lock mag system instead of a rock 'n' lock.

arx160
F2000
G36
Tavor21
HS Produkt VHS
CZ S805A
Iranian Khaybar
9A91/VSK94 (not 100% but it looks like it)
SAR21

Not to mention countless other older designs.

 

[For Freedom]

Just to stir things up a little, with my M1As I change magazines with my right hand (and I am right-handed). So I hold the rifle by the forearm with my left hand, and exchange magazines with my right hand. I would do the same for an AK47 (but not for a G3, FAL, or AR-15). The reasons are that a lot of the time my left arm is wrapped in an M1907 sling, that I can insert magazines much more easily with my dominant right hand than my left hand, and that the charging handle is on the right side.

I know many will disagree with me. Some will say that it's important to keep one hand near the trigger in case I need to shoot before I can change magazines. But holding a rifle by the forearm is much easier than by the pistol grip, and when I'm changing magazines, all of my focus is on changing the magazine. I hold the rifle up so that I can use my peripheral vision but I am absolutely using my eyes to help me make the magazine change quick. I don't simply "feel" for it.

The only exception to this is if the spare magazine is on my left side. In that case I would use my left hand. But that's not how my gear is set up.

 

[jon_in_wv]

Evil Monkey, did you NOT get the point?? What is your issue? It was to illustrate a point, if you don't get it than just get over it.

 

[Evil Monkey]

Evil Monkey, did you NOT get the point??.......It was to illustrate a point, if you don't get it than just get over it.

You mentioned the advantages of a stripper clip system but not an actual, tangible idea of implementation. I had to bring up and disagree with existing stripper clip feeding methods because I can't read your mind.

What is your issue?

Nothing, this is just a typical evening at a gun forum.

 

[jon_in_wv]

You didn't have to read my mind I posted it twice for you. Try reading.
Secondly, the POINT was how easy it is to simply postulate an opinion and watch some goon fly off the deep end because it doesn't fit his personal ideology. Thank You for proving my point.

 

[Evil Monkey]

You didn't have to read my mind I posted it twice for you.

Now I have no idea what you're talking about. When I said I couldn't read your mind, I meant I don't know what kind of great stripper clip system you were thinking about. Try reading.

Secondly, the POINT was how easy it is to simply postulate an opinion and watch some goon fly off the deep end because it doesn't fit his personal ideology.

No it wasn't the point. If it was, it means sarcasm was present. However, being the internet and all, sarcasm doesn't really work here. When I read about how 'mags are stupid' I took you seriously.

Thank You for proving my point.

See above.