Why video and audio recording are changing the nature of police work.
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The Unknown User
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It's scumbags like that that give LEO's a bad name. It absolutely disgusts me. I honestly hope that he's thrown in jail.
Edit: "Let me show you the law!"
Edit: "Let me show you the law!"
average_shooter
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Anybody else watch "Part 2"? Seems the cop decided to take him to the station in 'cuffs. Talk about scary and out-of-line...
iiibdsiil
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Cops didn't even make the top 10 list for the most dangerous jobs, cut us a break.
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Am I willing to do that? If the pay was decent. And not for the fact that it's not worth the money to put my "life on the line", it's the fact that I want to make more money then that a year no matter what I'm doing.
RoadkingLarry
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I did it for 12 years, but I was wearing a different uniform, and I got to spend 6 months or more at a time not getting to go home every night, Cry me a river.
The cop in the first video needs to spend some time in jail. And he and cops like him is why so many people hate/fear the police. Totally uncalled for, absolutely no excuse for that level of unprofessional behavior.
Guitargod1985
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In Florida, it is against the law to resist a peace officer carrying out his/her official duties unless he/she asks you to comply with an unlawful order. In any case, you can never use force to resist an officer.
hoppinglark
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what was all that the cop was going on and on about his "legal orders"
was any of that true?
was any of that true?
QuickDraw
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That cop in the original linked video sounded like
a nut job!I think he needs to go to the rubber gun
squad.
a nut job!I think he needs to go to the rubber gun
squad.
VARifleman
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I wish that people would stop thinking that everything in every part of this forum must be related to firearms. This website is also for discussion of legal issues, civil liberties, etc.
From the newly posted rules for this subforum:
"Legal forum is now for legal issues only. When giving advice, please endeavor to provide links or references to original documents, laws and other relevant resources. Please keep the topics related to guns and RKBA."
This topic is a legal/civil rights/liberties issue. It DOES NOT have to be about firearms to be posted here.
From the newly posted rules for this subforum:
"Legal forum is now for legal issues only. When giving advice, please endeavor to provide links or references to original documents, laws and other relevant resources. Please keep the topics related to guns and RKBA."
This topic is a legal/civil rights/liberties issue. It DOES NOT have to be about firearms to be posted here.
As someone who actually did have a job that is on the top 10 most dangerous list, I snicker whenever I hear someone throw out the 'Cops have a dangerous job' routine.
I sent a copy of the video to a buddy of mine who is a psychologist. His opinion? Low grade sociopath at best.
This stuff really saddens me
hoppinglark
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found a site just for this stuff
flexyourrights.org/traffic_stop_scenario
"The first thing you should say to the officer is, "Hello officer. Can you tell me why I am being pulled over?"
Sounds like you can record as long as the recording device is in your car, or inside your home.
Stuff like this really scares me, I know it's a small minority, like 10% or less, but still, these guys really need to be removed from the force.
flexyourrights.org/traffic_stop_scenario
"The first thing you should say to the officer is, "Hello officer. Can you tell me why I am being pulled over?"
Sounds like you can record as long as the recording device is in your car, or inside your home.
Stuff like this really scares me, I know it's a small minority, like 10% or less, but still, these guys really need to be removed from the force.
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Powderman
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First of all, that cop needs to be yanked up by the short hairs. His attitude, demeanor and deportment with the person he stopped was deplorable and disgusting.
However, with regard to the "list" that CNN published, with the possible exception of taxi driver, I have to take an exception to this comment...
Does your job require you to contact people who may actually try to kill you?
How about being physically attacked? Handle hazardous chemicals? Perhaps exposing yourself to some serious possible biohazards?
Yes, the jobs listed are tough. But until you wear a badge for a while, you just don't know, partner. You just don't know.
However, with regard to the "list" that CNN published, with the possible exception of taxi driver, I have to take an exception to this comment...
Does your job require you to contact people who may actually try to kill you?
How about being physically attacked? Handle hazardous chemicals? Perhaps exposing yourself to some serious possible biohazards?
Yes, the jobs listed are tough. But until you wear a badge for a while, you just don't know, partner. You just don't know.
Autolycus
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Its harder and harder to trust the police when they start to pull crap like this. I lose sympathy for the plight of LEOs when they demand more respect or powers to fight crime. All that happens is they get abused by guys like this.
Perhaps disarming police is a good idea, or creating a specialized armed unit similar to England? Of course the citizens would be allowed to carry and police could carry off duty as citizens. Just as not part of their routine job.
Perhaps disarming police is a good idea, or creating a specialized armed unit similar to England? Of course the citizens would be allowed to carry and police could carry off duty as citizens. Just as not part of their routine job.
crazed_ss
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Hmmm.. made the news.. http://www.myfoxstl.com/myfox/pages...n=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1
Apparently this is the same guy from the DUI video..
Apparently this is the same guy from the DUI video..
hoppinglark
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this one is interesting,
stupid cop
dumb girl
cop pepper sprays girl, and is not charged
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_AZ3J9gtFY
Isn't using his pepper spray like that for a PERSONAL matter, against the law?
does anyone have a link to the DUI video?
stupid cop
dumb girl
cop pepper sprays girl, and is not charged
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_AZ3J9gtFY
Isn't using his pepper spray like that for a PERSONAL matter, against the law?
does anyone have a link to the DUI video?
Powderman
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Uh.....
Sir, with all due respect, and not meant as a flame, but please put down the crack pipe.
Please do NOT lump all police officers in with this maniac.
Roccobro
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Too funny, yet so fitting here.
With the video running well before the encounter, and purposely parking in an empty freeway-side car pool lot during the night, seems the youngster created the situation for the express purpose of getting exactly what he caught on tape.
Act very suspicious, while giving attitude instead of just complying with a simple "have ID", is a recipe for "obstructing an officer" charge. A misdemeanor in CA.
ME TOO! This could easily been an assassination on tape for some young punk to make a name. But no, a cop can only react with enough force to overcome the resistance presented. Scary stuff like deadly ambushes happen too often here in the seedy SoCal areas. Just because cops have taken life preserving training serious, practice it daily, and have nice things like body armor on and in car doors-all to save their lives and go home after their shift- doesn't mean it ISN'T a dangerous job.
Different US regions have different problems. I'm sure most people and places in the US that view this video see it as just plain insane. I'd like to see this kid try the same stunt in Los Angeles CA. He'd be on the news later while recouping in a hospital.
(If you don't regularly watch the LA news or live in the bad parts of CA, you wouldn't begin to understand why)Justin
EDIT TO ADD: The cop was unprofessional. The Kid was up to no good. Two wrongs don't make a right and WE the sceeered but law abiding tax payers are the ones footing the bill for the shenanigans like this being purposely created.
kermit315
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^^yeah, in SoCal, you can even get shot for complying with orders of police.
that guy in the video was way over the line, and needs to be relieved of his duties and maybe he should apply at wal mart as a greeter.
that guy in the video was way over the line, and needs to be relieved of his duties and maybe he should apply at wal mart as a greeter.
iiibdsiil
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There have been 122 officers killed so far this year.
In 2002, there were 474 homicides in the city of Los Angeles. Source
I realize these are different years, but I doubt that will make up for the huge difference in numbers. So realistically, the average resident of the city of LA has a higher chance of being the victim of homicide then police officers... And that's not even their job!
I'm not saying what y'all do isn't dangerous, just come on... It starts to get old like certain minorities that complain.
Your point is that your job is specifically to deal with nut jobs. That people out there will kill you just for wearing a badge. But when you look at the numbers, y'all are doing darn good.
And FWIW, everyone has something that someone will kill them about. For me, it might be driving through the wrong neighborhood, which I HAVE to do to get to school (my job, unarmed due to school policy). For you it's a badge, and for a black man it could be the color of his skin. It's all relative when you look at the whole picture.
The point is, no one else comes on here and says "Oh man, my job is so dangerous." Or even "My life is so dangerous." Even when the numbers for that particular person's demographics is far worse then LEOs. If someone from LA, DC, Chicago, whatever were to complain about how dangerous it is to live there, we would tell them to move. And they would NEVER reply with a "Are you willing to live here?" So, if you feel your job as an LEO is THAT dangerous, then quit. But don't pull the "Would you do it?" or "Does your job require..." crap.
Sorry for the poorly written reply, but it's 330 am and I've got to be up at 830 to get ready for class.
Roccobro,
Just because the guy rides around with a camera running does not excuse the action of this police officer. Actually it looks like this sort of thing happens A LOT and it seems as though it has happened a few times to this guy, so now he has the camera running.
This cop, lied and threatened this guy. I am glad he was filming it and I am sure this will only result in him going out with a camera in his car more often.
I do not agree with you that the guy provoked this in anyway. This piece of work was trying to flex his power from the get go.
Also let me point out that both my father and brother are LE. I showed the video to both. My father who has 30 years under his belt, the past 8 or so in administration, was disgusted. My brother who is a newbie felt the same way.
Just because the guy rides around with a camera running does not excuse the action of this police officer. Actually it looks like this sort of thing happens A LOT and it seems as though it has happened a few times to this guy, so now he has the camera running.
This cop, lied and threatened this guy. I am glad he was filming it and I am sure this will only result in him going out with a camera in his car more often.
I do not agree with you that the guy provoked this in anyway. This piece of work was trying to flex his power from the get go.
Also let me point out that both my father and brother are LE. I showed the video to both. My father who has 30 years under his belt, the past 8 or so in administration, was disgusted. My brother who is a newbie felt the same way.
Yes my job requires me to be in contact with people who may kill me, not intentionally, but many a crane operator has caused a death or 10. Yes my job requires me to be around hazardous chemicals. It even required me to weld on containers that were filled with hazardous/explosive chemicals. Try going onto a Indian reservation, I dont mean to make this a racial thing, but a lot of Native Americans have no love for white dudes (definately not all, I'm not trying to stereotype) It's not unheard of for them to just go after oil patch workers because they think they are being robbed, again. Couple this with the fact that while I'm on the reservation I dont have any real rights and you've got a really hairy situation.
A cops badge is 100x more of a deterrant than a target in my opinion. People give police officers a VERY wide berth because they're simply afraid of them.
This should read "you can never use force to resist an officer who is acting in a lawful manner", or some other qualifier.
There have been a few notable cases where citizens have violently resisted, and even killed police officers, and been vindicated in court.
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The cop and the young man both had attitudes. If you look at the big picture that cop is putting his life on line everyday? Are you willing to do that
let the gutless wonder get another job if he's scared of the public, i get so tired of cops and some people crying about putting their life on the line, no one asked them to spend their life harrassing drivers, let them go after sex offenders and real criminals.
truck drivers, mailmen, UPS drivers and many other people put their life on the line when the deliver in certian areas of the country to but you never hear them whinning..
The cop and the young man both had attitudes. If you look at the big picture that cop is putting his life on line everyday? Are you willing to do that
let the gutless wonder get another job if he's scared of the public, i get so tired of cops and some people crying about putting their life on the line, no one asked them to spend their life harrassing drivers, let them go after sex offenders and real criminals.
truck drivers, mailmen, UPS drivers and many other people put their life on the line when the deliver in certian areas of the country to but you never hear them whinning..
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