Why we printed the [ccw holder's] list

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Publishing CCW permit holders' names could also be considered a little unfair to the people who don't have permits.

If a paper is publishing all the known CCW holders in a given area, it tells me that if so-and-so is not on the list, so-and-so is probably unarmed, at least in public, and therefore easier pickin's.
 
Not if you park down the street in the morning and wait for them to leave for 8 hours of work. That's what I'd do.
 
What gets my *ss.

I used to live in Cleveland. The people working the PD trucks carried concealed, or semi concealed.

Other people who worked for the PD were seen with Gun purses. They had armed guards.

Geoff
Who can say "double standard." :cuss:
 
I am not very eloquent, but I sent this:

Mr. Clifton,

I find your editorial argument for publishing the names of CCW holders in
Ohio to be disingenuous at best, and a total distortion of the facts, at
worst.

Once again, the left wing, elitist media , marching to it's own (not the
public's), agenda, has looked through myopic eyes, and made a wrong, harmful
choice. You truly do a disservice to the public. The use of the public
trust, to push an agenda that is opposed by so many, is just plain
reprehensible.

Shame on you for doing it, and shame on you for lying about the reasons.

Regards

Oh, he must be on vacation, I got an auto reply:

"I'll be out of the office until Monday, August 9. If you need immediate assistance please contact call Loreen Oiler at 216-999-4123 or e-mail her at [email protected]. Thank you."
 
OK, if I felt this strongly about the list I'd hire a private investigator or buy a computer search program and colect a list of all the legally available info including addresses, phone numbers DL numbers, criminal, civil and divorce judgements, bank account and credit ratings of the editorial staff of the offending newspaper. I'd publish it by renting ad space in whatever local weekly paper wasn't owned by the one at fault. Of course I'd get my lawyer to verify that they couldn't put me in jail under some obscure clause and would be prepared to take a large bribe to cease and desist. :neener:
 
Just sent to Loraine Oiler and Clifton:

Dear Mr. Clifton,

Thank you for letting the community know that I am now legally armed, and well prepared to defend myself and my family, should we be accosted by muggers, rapists, or a home invasion.

I am sure that it has made my area of the community safer, by ensuring that anyone with malicious intent toward citizens in the Cleveland metro area can find out who has excersized this, most fundamental of American rights, thus enabling the Cleveland criminal element to seek non-armed victims in other areas besides those where we are legally prepared to defend our lives, families, and property..

I am confident that many others will want to join me in becoming educated and legally licensed to protect their loved ones in this manner, once it becomes common knowledge that you will assist us in serving notice to any would-be attackers.

Once again, thank you for supporting this fundamental human right of self-defense.

And sir, if you claim to be a balanced media outlet, I'm interested to see if you will print this as a unique perspective on your actions.

Sincerely,
"Felonious Monk"
 
I sent him this:

Dear Sir:

I am currently a resident of a neighboring state and maintain a permit which allows me to carry concealed in the state of Ohio. I have included my address below for you to publish if you feel it is necessary for everyone to be aware that I am legally excercising my constitutional right when I visit Ohio next month for my cousin's wedding.

Please be advised that I do not agree with your interpretation of Ohio law, and should you choose to publish this information I will file a civil suit against the Plain Dealer, and you personally.

Best Regards,



I only wish I had my name published so I would have something to do (SUE!)
 
Sue Rovr, if you volunteer the info for the expressed purpose of publishing, then how do you think you can sue them if they do?
 
Unfortunately, one less name is on the list that was published, as one of us was gunned down yesterday outside of his check cashing store in Cleveland. As posted on www.ofcc.net this morning-

"Why did Cleveland Plain Dealer editor Doug Clifton decide that these innocent, law-abiding citizens, desperate to protect themselves from violent criminals that no gun control law or background check can stop, are the ones needing to be treated like persons of suspicion?

Why did Doug Clifton act to put people like Bill Singleton at so much risk by revealing to potential attackers that they are armed, and why do they promise to continue to do so?

Initial accounts say the robbers shot first, ambush-style. Did they know Singleton was armed? Did Bill Singleton die upon Doug Clifton's altar of open records?

If they're really interested in public safety, why doesn't the Plain Dealer spend its precious page space printing names of persons like these attackers, with violent criminal histories?

The questions above may yield answers with time. But this one can never be answered:

How many other would-be victims of Rhyan Ikner will live out their lives because of the heroic actions of Bill Singleton?"
 
I can't say that I disagree with the editorial. All public records and acts should be exactly that: public.

Anything that the government does, on paper or electronically, should be subject to easy public review.
 
This guy Bill Singleton that was shot, was this in Ohio and was his name published? Was his gun stolen? Sorry, I haven't read the link yet, was just wondering. If so, I think there might be some lawsuits in the making with some pretty compelling arguments against this jerk...
 
Dean, Please pm me your ss#, and I would like to know what government assistance you have received in the past. I think your position would open a can of worms.
 
...the one and only way the average citizen can learn the identity of a concealed-weapon permit holder is if the news media publish it.

Thank the legislature for that.
Click to expand...

I believe he got that part correct. I hope you in Ohio remember this come election time.
 
I don't have a SSN. Are you going to accuse ME of lying now, gunman? Or are you going to start spouting bullpuckey along the lines of "how can you be a citizen without a SSN?"


:rolleyes: :barf:

Where's the friggin' ignore feature on vBulletin.
 
I keep thinking that somewhere in that list, there's a woman who is hiding from an ex-husband and who got the ccw because of that..and now her address is there in the paper.
 
Barbara: Yep. Probably more than one.

There are probably also a few woman who threatened to get a CCW, or said they did, but didn't actually get one yet, using a bluff to fend off a would-be stalker. & those stalker-types can now look up the woman to see if she really has a permit.

I agree that the media is not special and should not be privy to any more information than is available to the general public. However, the newspaper in question could have made its point just as well by running an editorial explaining that they refuse to print the information out of concern for its readers' equal access.

Once upon a time in America, the individual trumped the collective, or at least that's what the old folks say. :(
 
Muzzleflash,

I wasn't talking to you, so I haven't acccused you of anything. As a matter of fact, I don't think I have ever even commented on anything you have ever said.

I don't care if you have a SSN or not.

Go ahead, make my day and put me on your ignore list.

Whoop-dee-doo! That'll really show me.

Next time though, you might not want to accuse people of calling you a liar when they haven't said anything to you at all.
 
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