Will this make the 300 Blackout obsolete?

[justice06rr]

I'm not an expert in the area of SAAMI or ammo trends per se but I would predict that in 5 years we'll look back at the 300 Blackout as a failed experiment by a private conglomerate to create a new and popular ammo standard.

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None of this has anything to do with relative merits of the round(s) themselves.
Just a bit of crystal ball gazing, but I've seen this movie before.

Wow really? ROFL. You just contradicted yourself there.

Why don't you give us the winning powerball numbers and the next big market stock too?

Everyone and their little brother has an AR15. That is the biggest asset of the 300Black. Buy a barrel and you're set. They can hadly keep barrels in stock, but they are around if you know where to look. The ammo arguement at Walmart is even more ridiculous. Half of people I know don't even like walmart.

 

[Certaindeaf]

We just need some 200gr depleted uranium .223 ammo. Pretty easy "fix" is how I see it.

 

[SilentStalker]

Someone correct me if I am wrong but I am not sure what the hype is about this round. I am not sure why you want one unless you are strictly looking for suppressor use because I believe it falls off quite quickly after 200 yards or so unless I am mistaken. So, if thst is true why would you want it? Granted a huge number of people cannot really shoot well outside of that range anyways so I guess I could argue that point in which case it would not really matter at thst point. If you can't hit outside of 200 yelards then most rifle ammo would suite you just fine.

 

[rsilvers]

Someone correct me if I am wrong but I am not sure what the hype is about this round. I am not sure why you want one unless you are strictly looking for suppressor use because I believe it falls off quite quickly after 200 yards or so unless I am mistaken. So, if thst is true why would you want it? Granted a huge number of people cannot really shoot well outside of that range anyways so I guess I could argue that point in which case it would not really matter at thst point. If you can't hit outside of 200 yelards then most rifle ammo would suite you just fine.

Because it has 30 round capacity in a normal AR magazine and is the most powerful way to do that with 30 caliber in an AR15.

It has a 440 meter range from a 9 inch barrel, going by the same standards that the Army uses for the max range of the M4.

This photo is the results at 300 yards from a 9 inch barrel. The bullet made a 0.50 - 0.60 diameter hole 20 inches deep in 10% ballistic gel.

http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/bar...on-bb300aac1-blackout-2400-rdbx-p-130573.html


Also, it has low-cost practice ammo:

http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/rem...2-blackout-close-flat-base-rdbx-p-130622.html

And you can load your own from modified 223 cases you pick up for free off the ground at the range.

 

[68wj]

If I had to shoot 7.62x39 class ammunition from an AR type platform, between the RRA listed in this thread and an AR chambered in 300 BO, I would take the BO. Then I am reminded I don't have to use either and can move on happily.

 

[Elkins45]

I bought a 300 Blackout barrel so I can economically shoot cast bullets out of my AR without having to buy a new bolt, mags, etc. Brass is dirt cheap cuz it can be made from 5.56 surplus. I already have 30 cal molds and a bunch of 5.56 brass so a barrel and dies were all I needed.

So far I've had a lot of fun with it....that's reason enough for me!

 

[rjrivero]

I bought a 300 Blackout barrel so I can economically shoot cast bullets out of my AR without having to buy a new bolt, mags, etc. Brass is dirt cheap cuz it can be made from 5.56 surplus. I already have 30 cal molds and a bunch of 5.56 brass so a barrel and dies were all I needed.

The cost of 30 cal bullets got me into casting for this round as well. I forked over the $$ for the NOE 247gr boolit and haven't looked back. What a hoot of a round through a liberty Mystic!! Just fantastic fun!

 

[ac6916170]

RSilvers you might want to point out that those were over pressure loads and not factory loads. Deny if you want, you admitted it on m4net and 68forum.com

 

[Texas Ranger]

About every place you look the .300 AAC is on sale, somebody is trying to get shed em............

Not really sure what you where trying to say in your post, but it has been my experience over the last couple of weeks of looking, that 300 AAC BLK uppers or complete firearms have been pretty hard to find. :banghead: Out of curiosity, I just did an experiment..... Googled 300 AAC BLK to find available guns and uppers for sale. Here's what I found:

Of the 16 vendors that came back in the search, 13 were SOLD OUT/TEMPORARILY OUT OF STOCK/BACKORDERED. Only 3 had uppers in their current inventory.

I also checked several major websites where you can buy firearms from either dealers or private individuals including Gunbroker, GunsAmerica, Armslist, and BudsGunShop. A total of 2 uppers and 1 barrel are currently available from 2 FFL Dealers. No private individuals offering anything in 300 AAC BLK.

I also checked the classified section of this website - Nada. Zero 300 AAC BLK firearms/uppers available.

I also went to the San Antonio Gun Show this weekend (the really BIG one at AT&T Center.... about 800 tables of goodies). Only found 2 Uppers in 300 AAC BLK (one new in box CMMG 16" and one NIB AAC 16" in new 1:7 twist.... I bought the AAC ). All other Tactical dealers were sold out and had them back ordered.

I haven't been able to find any private individuals offering 300 AAC BLK firearms or uppers for sale anywhere on the internet. Not sayin they aren't out there..... just that I can't find them. Conclusion: Doesn't look like the marketplace is flooded with unwanted 300 AAC BLK toys. In fact looks like just the opposite. They appear to be in extremely high demand and week to week somewhat difficult to find, depending on flow of product from manufacturers.

 

[savage1r]

For those of you saying the 7.62x39 doesn't have a wide range of bullets or can't shoot subsonic, I beg to differ. Here are some bullet options http://www.montanabulletworks.com/303_British_Rifle.html
And the discussions about loading them: http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?t=13453

 

[HOOSIER70]

Dang now I want yet another rifle, Well Christmas is a few mnths away

 

[dubbleA]

For those of you saying the 7.62x39 doesn't have a wide range of bullets or can't shoot subsonic, I beg to differ. Here are some bullet options http://www.montanabulletworks.com/30...ish_Rifle.html

It might just be me but I certainly wouldnt call a few .311"cast bullets a "wide range" for the 7.62x39.


.308" bullets are truly available in a "wide range".
300 BO 240gr Sierra MK Goodness!


You might run into problems shooting those heavy for caliber bullets in russian subsonics as they need to be twisted up. The blackouts from the ground up are purposely fast twisted for this reason.

 

[savage1r]

Well, I'll be producing a video on it with the results good or bad.

 

[SabbathWolf]

The 300 blackout gives 7.62 x 39 ballistics from a standard AR. It is a way around the problem of feeding a tapered 7.62 x 39 case through the straight section of the magazine well of an AR that was not designed for curved magazines. The problem with the 300 Blackout is that you almost have to reload for it. The 7.62 x 39 is designed to work with the curved AK 47 magazine. Rock River has solved the problem by designing an AR chambered in 7.62 x 39 that takes standard curved AK magazines.

See for yourself:
http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=558

You can get 7.62 x 39 rounds ANYWHERE that sells ammunition.
Try getting .300 Blackout at Wall-Mart.

Personally, I think the whole thing is silly anyways.
If you want 7.62x39 ballistics, then just get an SKS or an AK.
The AK is more dependable anyways.

 

[B!ngo]

I'll take that bet. How about a "cold drink" to the winner?

You bet. It's a deal. Let's mark our calendars. We don't need that accurate a metric. Any excuse for a cold drink with another THR'er is fine with me.
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[lloveless]

I don't have an AR platform gun. I do own a .308, I do have a.223 Handi Rifle. Why would anyone want a 9 inch barreled rifle? The case for the .300 BO being a reloaders cartridge by making their own casings from .223 cases is intriguing, and probably the only reason I'd have to buy one. Nah, I am already covered. If I want an black rifle I'll get somethng like a Ruger mini-14.
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[dubbleA]

Why would anyone want a 9 inch barreled rifle?

The 9" barrel is pretty much optimum with running subsonics in 300 Blk Out. It gives up very little to the 12 and 16 inch versions,that's the beauty of it.

With the suppressor attached it's quiet and offers alot of firepower all in a nice compact package, t's shorter than the average rifle. Not going to be for everybody but it suits my needs to a tee. Consider it a 30-30 win with a 30 round capacity that sounds like a 22.

 

[Walkalong]

Any excuse for a cold drink with another THR'er is fine with me.
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Yep, either way will be fine.

 

[JustinJ]

I'm hoping the 6.5 mpc takes off. I see it as a far more versatile round with greater range and accuracy potential.

 

[Girodin]

I have been eying the 300 BLK for a while now. I think it meets its design requirements rather well. It has also impressively gained pretty wide acceptance rather quickly. I imagine this is due to the very serious marketing push it has gotten.

However, I’m not sure that it does anything that warrants me buying it.
In its supersonic loadings I don’t find it appealing because of its limited range vis a vis say 6.8 SPC II without offering any significant advantage inside 200 yards. If I needed more power inside of 200, it seems to me it would probably warrant getting out one of my 308s not the 300 BLK.

I think it is more interesting in subsonic loads. However, I find myself wondering if it is really a better choice for me to shoot subsonic than 9x19. I realize the BLK fires a rifle bullet with a higher sectional density and higher B.C. I understand that it should have better range than the 9mm. However, one I’m not sure that for me that slight advantage is very significant, and less sure that it offsets the advantages of the 9mm.

Moreover, I am yet to see a gel test (or even read a report) of a sub sonic BLK cartridge (and the whisper before it) with anything other than horrible terminal ballistics. Everyone I have seen has been a bullet poking a straight hole, no yawing, no expansion, no fragmentation. Even the soft nose bullets have shown no expansion. The heavy bullets used in subsonic loads simply were not designed with the very low velocities of a subsonic load in mind. A 147 grain 9x19 on the other hand will expand and seems to offer better subsonic terminal ballistics based on what I’ve seen. Of course new bullets could be designed to offer better terminal ballistics at subsonic velocities, but to the best of my knowledge, that has not happened yet. If and when it does, I may give the 300 a harder look.

If one is not shooting anything where terminal ballistics matter, but rather, one is just enjoying some subsonic range time, the 9x19 subsonics seem to be more economical.
In sum, I do not hate the 300 blk, I just don’t have a real use for it at this point. As a supersonic cartridge there are, for my purposes, better options. As a sub sonic cartridge I don’t see it’s limited advantages making it worth moving away from 9x19, particularly given the very poor terminal ballistics I’ve seen.

 

[ny32182]

The market has had 50 years to cram a x39 into an AR15; if it was going to be done well it would have been done long ago.

.300blk has already far surpassed any other niche AR15 cartridge for a litany of reasons already mentioned in this thread. Primarly because none of the major components of the system are proprietary, other than the actual barrel.

No reason to wait 5 years, it is probably already the second most popular AR15 catridge. 5 years from now it will only be more established as such.

 

[Walkalong]

If you look at Midway under .30 cal bullets of 140 and under, and choose to list them in order of popularity, the number one bullet is the 110 Gr Barnes Tipped TAC-TX, which is designed for the .300 Blackout/.300 Whisper.

http://www.midwayusa.com/find?&newcategorydimensionid=15519

 

[savage1r]

Actually, if you think about it, is there another 230gr bullet that goes subsonic? Yup. Can it be offered in a platform that can be easily silenced in a sbr/carbine? Yup. Cheaper, more fun solution would be to get a Masterpiece Arms MAC 10 and shoot cast reloads for pennies instead of 300BO premiums.

 

[kwelz]

You can't compare a .45 pistol round to a .30 caliber rifle round. The ballistics are far different. The .30 cal rifle round gives you a huge ballistic advantage, far more loading options, and can be used at longer ranges in all weights.

 

[68wj]

If you look at Midway under .30 cal bullets of 140 and under, and choose to list them in order of popularity, the number one bullet is the 110 Gr Barnes Tipped TAC-TX, which is designed for the .300 Blackout/.300 Whisper.

http://www.midwayusa.com/find?&newcategorydimensionid=15519

Is that popularity based on sales or web hits?

I see a lot of BO bullets and ammo high on the popularity lists, but often sold out with long lead times so it isn't likely they are actually selling more than the others. It isn't too far of a stretch though since BO shooters are higher volume than a turnbolt shooter.

I also see Midway's BO ammo constantly linked in forums, sometimes without provocation, thus driving traffic to the site. I have been accused of being skeptical, but I also know a little about web analytics.