Wilson Combat EDC X9 1911

[strangelittleman]

Beautiful pistol! However, other than for bragging rights and pride of ownership, how much better will this EDC X9 perform over say a CZ P01, P07 or Rex Zero 1 Compact.
I really like the EDC X9, but there is no way I could, in good conscience, spend over $3,000 on pistol, spare mags and leather, for something that will not do anything the aforementioned could not do for under $750 (accessories included).

 

[HexHead]

Aside from the Hi Power holding 2 less rounds I think I would go that way. The Wilson is nice but man, that is a lot of $$$$.

Nighthawk started to make a custom SA 9mm and in the end decided to go with the Hi Power instead.

My Nighthawk T4 lightweight 9mm, is about the same size, but single stack, which I prefer. Nighthawk will now make any of their guns double stack for a $600 up charge.

 

[HexHead]

Beautiful pistol! However, other than for bragging rights and pride of ownership, how much better will this EDC X9 perform over say a CZ P01, P07 or Rex Zero 1 Compact.
I really like the EDC X9, but there is no way I could, in good conscience, spend over $3,000 on pistol, spare mags and leather, for something that will not do anything the aforementioned could not do for under $750 (accessories included).

I'll be kind, and just say you don't know what you don't know. But to compare a CZ to a Wilson is ludicrous beyond belief.

 

[valor1]

Beautiful pistol! However, other than for bragging rights and pride of ownership, how much better will this EDC X9 perform over say a CZ P01, P07 or Rex Zero 1 Compact.
I really like the EDC X9, but there is no way I could, in good conscience, spend over $3,000 on pistol, spare mags and leather, for something that will not do anything the aforementioned could not do for under $750 (accessories included).

Agree. The gun is expensive because it is the cost of today's American labor. I might be tempted to get one once I get my lottery winnings. Part of the trophy together with some exotic sports car that I will seldom use or display. I'll still EDC any guns priced lower than $1000. It could be any of the german , czech, italian or austrian made one.

 

[strangelittleman]

I'll be kind, and just say you don't know what you don't know. But to compare a CZ to a Wilson is ludicrous beyond belief.

As simple machines that are designed to perform the same function (EDC/SD), how can a $3,000 expense be justified over a proven design costing less than $700, other than trying to impress others by preening around and crowing about the ownership of an exorbitant showpiece.
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I'd lay odds that 99% of the purchasers of the EDC X9 will never seriously carry the X9 on an EDC basis, because: "God forbid my EDC X9 get taken into evidence by LE, after an SD deadly force incident. That's why I have a ( insert commonly found & easily replaced brand of EDC pistol) for EDC."
For nearly all who buy this pistol, it will simply become yet another very expensive safe queen/range toy....but what the heck, that's the beauty of freedom and I'm all for it.
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As for comparing a CZ P01 next to an EDC X9, sure take them both out on the range and I guarantee the performance will be indistinguishable in regards to testing them relevant to their intended purpose.
They both are intended to be self defense/ service pistols, not priceless art showpieces, nor magic talismans that ward off evil by the mere possession of them.

But in the end,
I'll defer to your experience, knowledge and training.
It's not as if I've spent over three decades combined, in the Military and LE, nor been an Instructor and Armorer or anything such as that, so what do I know?
This is only my brain damaged opinion.
Happy Shooting!!

 

[Walt Sherrill]

As I said earlier when I mentioned SIGs (but it applies to other brands, too) many basically sound guns, with an extra $500(+/-) spent on gunsmith work, can be surprisingly accurate, smooth, and effective. And some of these guns will compete quite well against many custom guns -- and do so for a lot less dollars. And, unless you're shooting at a bad-guy at 20+ yards, the differences may be irrelevant.

That's what I was saying when I mentioned Gray Guns, and what some of the others here are getting at when they talk about guns like the CZ P-01 A P-01 tuned by the CZ Custom Shop or Cajun Gun Works -- those guns can be a surprisingly refined weapons.

But, alas, not everybody is willing to spend an extra $500 on a gun that may have cost a bit more than $500. They just don't understand the math. (I've seen many folks make that statement on this and other forums -- "why spend $300 more for a gun that only costs $300?" ) My answer is that if gives you a gun that is a lot better than another out-of-the-box $600 gun, why not? I would argue, a gun's later resale value -- unless you KNOW you're not going to keep it -- should not control what you do to improve your weapons.

A good Hi-Power with a Barsto-fitted barrel, and a little extra work could be surprisingly effective, for example, and might compete quite well with the Wilson EDC for a LOT fewer dollars. My T-series BHP is a very nice weapon, and it runs 15-round Mec-Gar mags without problems. I have a Sphinx SDP that is pretty darned nice, too -- and a CZ PO7 that is very close to the SDP in overall performance; all three of these guns are surprisingly smooth, reliable, and accurate at any distance I'm ever likely to use them.

All this points to a basic fact: there is more than ONE KIND of gun snob.

 

[strangelittleman]

All this points to a basic fact: there is more than ONE KIND of gun snob.

I resemble that remark. Mea Culpa, Maxima Culpa.

 

[PabloJ]

I'll be kind, and just say you don't know what you don't know. But to compare a CZ to a Wilson is ludicrous beyond belief.

It's not mass-produced parts bin gun like: CZ, Glock, S&W, Colt,...... What you pay for when you buy something like Wilson Combat is better fit, finish and assembly. My most expensive handgun cost me $1350 and I don't want to spend more for something I will never need or use other than punching holes in paper. There is nothing wrong with getting something like that if there are means and desire to do so. I believe it's called pride of ownership. It like wearing piece of clothing from Milan boutique versus something from LL Bean or BassPro Fabrique en Chine, India or Bangladesh.

 

[PabloJ]

Nighthawk Hi-Power, $3,195 http://www.nighthawkcustom.com/browning-hi-power

Wilson EDC X9, $2,895 https://www.wilsoncombat.com/edc-x9/

See, you'll save a whole $300 picking the Wilson over the Nighthawk Hi-Power.

The $2,895 price tag is not bad. I was guessing at least $3500 what I seen in the original pic.

 

[JR24]

As simple machines that are designed to perform the same function (EDC/SD), how can a $3,000 expense be justified over a proven design costing less than $700, other than trying to impress others by preening around and crowing about the ownership of an exorbitant showpiece.
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I'd lay odds that 99% of the purchasers of the EDC X9 will never seriously carry the X9 on an EDC basis, because: "God forbid my EDC X9 get taken into evidence by LE, after an SD deadly force incident. That's why I have a ( insert commonly found & easily replaced brand of EDC pistol) for EDC."
For nearly all who buy this pistol, it will simply become yet another very expensive safe queen/range toy....but what the heck, that's the beauty of freedom and I'm all for it.
----------------------

As for comparing a CZ P01 next to an EDC X9, sure take them both out on the range and I guarantee the performance will be indistinguishable in regards to testing them relevant to their intended purpose.
They both are intended to be self defense/ service pistols, not priceless art showpieces, nor magic talismans that ward off evil by the mere possession of them.

But in the end,
I'll defer to your experience, knowledge and training.
It's not as if I've spent over three decades combined, in the Military and LE, nor been an Instructor and Armorer or anything such as that, so what do I know?
This is only my brain damaged opinion.
Happy Shooting!!

I wonder how far I'd get with my guitar buddies if I used this logic to tell them that since the end product is to produce music that an Ibanez is every bit the guitar as an old Les Paul ir nice Paul Reed Smith.

Heck maybe they'd agree that my Alverez is just as good at making sound as their Taylors, Martins and old Sigmas (man, are those a joy to play). Plenty of the same logic applies to car guys as well.

End of the day they are in fact, objectively, better and to snob on a guy for putting down his hard earned scheckles on a top of the line gun isn't very High Road, IMO.

 

[strangelittleman]

JR24,
To compare the beauty and artistry of making music and the instruments used to do so with the harsh ugliness and repulsiveness of deadly force incidents and the brutal instruments used in them is an asinine comparison.

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Finally, I'm not begrudging a cat for spending his own capital on a Wilson, as I stated, I think it's a beautiful pistol. I was responding to another poster's question concerning my comparison of a CZ to a Wilson for the purpose of a self defense incident and the subsequent legalities. So I explained in what context I was comparing the two.

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[JR24]

JR24,
To compare the beauty and artistry of making music and the instruments used to do so with the harsh ugliness and repulsiveness of deadly force incidents and the brutal instruments used in them is an asinine comparison.

Here is our impasse, I find machines beautiful in their form and function. Gun or instrument. You prefer to impart the ugliness of use onto the machine, undoubetly from life experience. No problem, that is your prerogative.

I will not respond to personal attack nature of the rest of the post, nor do I care to further comment on this thread.

Also, I do not get "outraged" by forums... life is far too short for that.

 

[JDR]

I'd like to see a range comparison of that Wilson Combat EDC X9 1911 alongside a Nighthawk Custom BHP, a Sig Legion P226 SA, and a Wilson Combat Beretta Brig-Tac 92G. I think all of these would hold their own!

 

[Jim Watson]

Nearly everything I have read about the X9 has been favorable except for those who point out that they can get a serviceable bullet dispenser for less money.
But, guys, it is NOT a 1911.

And as far as price goes, note that the EDC X9 is $800 LESS than the similar single stack EDC. They did some production engineering on the new model receiver because the uppers are apparently the same.

Me? I wish there were an X9 Long with the proportions of a Browning. The X-tac crosshatching in lieu of checkering is not my idea of high style but I assume it does improve the grip.

 

[Walt Sherrill]

Unless we're talking about Ransom Rest tests -- I'd argue that the biggest differences between the least expensive (but good quality guns), the mid-line semi-custom guns, and the full-on custom weapons are APPEARANCE and FEEL.

I suspect most of us arguably wouldn't really see that much difference using a modestly tuned Glock, BHP, or SIG or that marvelous Wilson EDC X9, if we had to use one in a self-defense situation in the 10'-30' range.. If the target (or opponent) was moved out to 50' or 100' some of us might see a difference -- but not me. Why? 1) my eyes barely see that far , and 2) I will try hard not to be using a handgun in a serious self-defense situation at that distance for any number of reasons. If worse came to worst, I'd be scrambling for cover and a nice steady rest.

In the final analysis I think the shooter is probably far more important than the gun/ammo. A cell phone might come in handy at that point, too.

 

[9mmepiphany]

I'm not going to prune this thread again. This is a final warning before this thread will be shut down.

Feel free to disagree, that is the basis of discussion. However a long standing policy/guideline of the forum has been, "Attack the argument, not the member who posted it"

 

[Nuclear]

I'd love one of these, even though I have a polymer 9mm striker fired carry handgun with the same magazine capacity. And I would probably not shoot the X9 any better (my limitations, not the firearms). But just as I'd like a Sig P210, I can't come up with a justification for spending that much money on a pistol.

It's like cars. I own, and I've owned, some very good cars. I'd love a supercar, or even a high end sports car, but I wouldn't be able to drive it any better than the 3 series I drive now, and I just can't justify buying one.

But more power to those who can and do purchase one.

 

[Ohen Cepel]

Does it take a special mag? If so, how much do they costs and is there a source for them aside from Wilson?

 

[Hangingrock]

Does it take a special mag? If so, how much do they costs and is there a source for them aside from Wilson?

Wilson Combat collaboration with Mec-Gar designing the magazine to specifications outlined by WC.

 

[JR24]

Does it take a special mag? If so, how much do they costs and is there a source for them aside from Wilson?

Looks like $42 on Wilson's website. Puts them on par with the likes of Sig and CZ and cheaper than other doublestack 1911 type mags.

Overall not too bad considering.

 

[Jim Watson]

Wilson Combat collaboration with Mec-Gar designing the magazine to specifications outlined by WC.

Which may be less than it sounds. Somebody early on noted that it looked like a PPQ tube with Wilson floorplate and magazine catch notch location.

 

[bullseye308]

First off, congrats on the fine piece. That is beautiful and I would love to have one. It is, however beyond my means. For years I longed for a Springfield Range Officer in 9mm and it was beyond my means, but things worked out and I was able to get 2 for a really fantastic price. If you are financially stable, have the extra $, and that is what you want, get it. Life is too short. I hope it is everything you expect it is and serves you many years. Let us know how it shoots and enjoy it.

 

[Rexster]

I look forward to an opportunity to handle this Wilson 9; perhaps the NRA annual meeting, which, IIRC, comes to Texas again next year. (I am not sure if Wilson Combat will be an exhibitor.) Its fit in my hand, and pointability, will be important, as I would not want to go through a multi-thousand-round transition period. I will probably retire from LEO-ing in 2018, and such a nicely-done carry weapon might be an excellent retirement gift for myself.

Regarding expensive custom/boutique pistols, well, I paid $2000+ for a pre-owned full-sized .45 ACP Les Baer, which the previous owner had customized by John Harrison. Is it "worth it?" Well, if I ever have to make a shot past a hostage, with a pistol, and have this one with me, I will certainly value the crisp trigger, amazing sight picture of the Harrison sights, and inherent accuracy, but really, the "nice to have" factor is reason, enough. Actually, this particular Baer was my retirement gift to myself, but then I decided to keep working a bit longer.

 

[bikemutt]

My approach is you only live once, get the best you can possibly afford for what you'd like to have. That's what I did when I forked over $1800 for a German-made Sig X5 handgun a while back. Is it the best $1800 I ever spent for handgun? Yes, by a wide margin.

As far as the Wilson EDC the OP posted about, if it's in the budget, I bet it will be money well spent.

 

[JR24]

My approach is you only live once, get the best you can possibly afford for what you'd like to have. That's what I did when I forked over $1800 for a German-made Sig X5 handgun a while back. Is it the best $1800 I ever spent for handgun? Yes, by a wide margin.

As far as the Wilson EDC the OP posted about, if it's in the budget, I bet it will be money well spent.

Thats pretty much how I got my Dan Wesson VBob. Would I have loved to buy a Nighthawk or WC? You bet, but not this time.

That said, with temp work over the summer I am thinking about picking up another side job to finance an EDC X9.